Aho is terrible defensively by most measures and a defensively strong team
Yes, Marner is better than Aho defensively. Toronto has also been better than Carolina defensively for a while now.
In 2019-2020, Leafs were 14th in defensive results. Carolina was 21st.
Last year, Leafs were 4th in defensive results. Carolina was 14th.
This year, Leafs sit 4th in defensive results. Carolina sits 27th so far.
You seem to be forgetting that goaltending impacts end goals against.
And yet they're still very good players. It's almost like there's more to a player's quality than how many 30 goal seasons they have. Aho has very good linemate quality.
I haven't "blamed" him for Marner "not being productive" (which isn't even true). I've simply noted your mischaracterization of the linemate quality of the referenced players.
Do not misrepresent the things that I have said. Marner does not have a muffin shot, and on top of not saying that, I explicitly clarified my position in my previous response you avoided addressing, when you misrepresented me the last time. I also said absolutely nothing close to suggesting an inability to "carry linemates". Marner is very good at elevating linemates.
Yes, Aho has certainly experienced easier situations to produce in the playoffs. His totals are no doubt benefitted by his 8 points in 3 games facing the worst defensive team in the league playing their 3rd stringer in 2020.
Since 18-19 Hart and Selke Votes
Hart Votes
Aho - 24
Marner - 1
Selke Votes
Aho - 27
Marner - 45
Season Production 2018-2019:
Aho - 82 30 53 83 +25 1.01 ppg
Marner - 82 - 26 68 94 +22 1.14 ppg
Aho closest teammates in production:
Teravainen 82 21 55 76
Justin Williams 82 23 30 53
Ferland 71 17 23 40
Marner closest teammates in production:
Tavares 82 47 41 88
Matthews 68 37 36 73
Rielly 82 20 52 73
Playoffs 2018-2019:
Aho - 15 5 7 12 .8 ppg
Marner - 7 2 2 4 .57 ppg
Team GF GA:
Carolina: GF 245 GA 223
Toronto: GF 286 GA 251
Leafs score 41 more goals, allow 28 more goals
Season Production 2019-20
Aho - 68 38 28 66 +10 .97 ppg
Marner - 59 16 51 67 +6 1.13 ppg
Aho closest teammates in production:
Teravainen 68 15 48 63
Svechnikov 68 24 37 61
Hamilton 14 26 40
Marner closest teammates in production:
Tavares 63 26 34 60
Matthews 70 47 33 80
Nylander 68 31 28 59
Playoff Production 2019-20
Aho - 8 3 9 12 1.5 ppg
Marner - 5 0 4 4 .8 ppg
Team GF GA:
Carolina: GF 222 GA 193
Toronto: GF 238 GA 227
Leafs score 15 more goals, allow 34 more goals
Season Production 2020-2021
Aho - 56 24 33 57 +16 1.01 ppg
Marner - 55 20 47 67 +21 1.21 ppg
Aho closest teammates in production:
Trocheck 47 17 26 43
Svechnikov 55 15 27 42
Hamilton 10 32 42
Marner closest teammates in production:
Tavares 56 19 31 50
Matthews 52 41 25 66
Nylander 51 17 25 42
Playoff Production 2020-2021
Aho - 11 6 5 11 1.00 ppg
Marner - 7 0 4 4 .57 ppg
Team GF GA:
Carolina: GF 179 GA 136
Toronto: GF 187 GA 148
Leafs score 8 more goals, allow 12 more goals
Season Production 2021-2022
Aho 16 8 10 18 +6
Marner 20 6 11 17 -1
Aho Has more Hart Trophy Votes than Marner
Marner has more Selke votes than Aho
Marner has better statistics but he his teammates have more points than Aho's (see below)
Toronto has scored 131 more goals than Carolina over past three seasons (generally means more points for Marner)
Carolina has allowed 74 less goals than Leafs over past three seasons (means a team that generally plays better defensively)
Aho closest teammates contribute less than Marner's closest teammates statistically (generally means Aho has less support)
Aho stats in playoffs are significantly better than Marners
Marner: 10.893 million per year
Aho: 8.454 million per year
Looking at the stats, I do not know how you can come to the conclusion that Marner is the better player. Seams pretty dang close to me (except maybe their price tags).
