Salary Cap: Marner Deal Discussion Part II

[ShaneFalco]

I've seen folks here complain about interference from Nylander and Matthew's parents (despite there being no actual evidence to support it) - Marners dad has literally been quoted by the media ranting against the team and not a peep from the same folks.

It is odd......

 

[hockeywiz542]

Marner contract most urgent task for Maple Leafs

To what extent is getting Marner signed the priority right now? Any progress to that end?

"It's a big story. The reality is, Mitch is a great player. We've been very clear how we feel about him as a player and a person. He's been a great Maple Leaf. He should be a Maple Leaf his whole career. I think Mitch and Darren have both stated that at times. We're going to keep working with Darren to move this along and progress it ahead and come to an agreement which will make Mitch feel like he's compensated at the level he's deserved and us with a way to navigate our way ahead. I think if we're all willing to work towards it we'll get there. That's what we have the time for here."

There is speculation Marner might speak with other teams if he isn't signed by the end of the NHL Draft (on June 22). What's your take?

"I don't know if that's ever happened with a restricted free agent. So I would be surprised. And I've never been led to believe that's the preferred destination or outcome. We'll see."

Are you prepared if an opposing team/teams present an offer sheet to Marner or fellow RFA forwards Kasperi Kapanen and/or Andreas Johnsson?

"Yes. I think you have to study what the probability may be. You can't ignore it. You can't just say that because something hasn't happened, it won't happen. You have to be realistic. You have to look around and identify which teams have the [NHL Draft] capital, which teams have the cap space, and which teams have the combination of both. There are certain teams that are excluded because they don't have the requisite draft picks. There are some teams excluded because they don't have the requisite cap space. So we want to be prepared as much as we possibly can. We don't want to leave ourselves exposed to the actions of an irrational actor in the marketplace, another team that has the ability to do something that's crazy. That's the way we've gone about it. As a management group, our focus has been on finding contract resolutions with Mitch and Johnsson and Kapanen."

 

[Alexandre Magny]

In my opinion, it will end with a contract of approximately 10.5 for Marner
8 years and 84 M. The leafs will not want to give him + that Tavares and Matthews but will have to pay him at great price anyway

 

[Bigmarycombo]

This is what happens on every board. Posters fall in love with their favourite player and defend that player to the death.

I’ve noticed some big Nylander fans changing the goal posts and when you do that you get called out by other posters.

Example
When Nylander was sitting out and all the pundits were stating that he was asking for 8.5 per year his fans were fighting with everyone that there was no proof, pundits are just giving their opinion. Etc. They were doing this to defend willy when everyone was pissed off and saying trade him.

Fast forward to marner.

A pundit says I believe not I’m hearing but I believe which to me says it’s his own personal opinion.not fact only an opinion that marner will go to other teams for offersheets. Now the willy defenders are saying dreger is telling the truth and if marner is contemplating an offer sheet we should trade Mariners ass out of town.

So in conclusion willy fans fight tooth and nail to protect their guy from pundits and their bull crap but believe the same pundits when it comes to marner.

 

[kb]

This is what happens on every board. Posters fall in love with their favourite player and defend that player to the death.

I’ve noticed some big Nylander fans changing the goal posts and when you do that you get called out by other posters.

Example
When Nylander was sitting out and all the pundits were stating that he was asking for 8.5 per year his fans were fighting with everyone that there was no proof, pundits are just giving their opinion. Etc. They were doing this to defend willy when everyone was pissed off and saying trade him.

Fast forward to marner.

A pundit says I believe not I’m hearing but I believe which to me says it’s his own personal opinion.not fact only an opinion that marner will go to other teams for offersheets. Now the willy defenders are saying dreger is telling the truth and if marner is contemplating an offer sheet we should trade Mariners ass out of town.

So in conclusion willy fans fight tooth and nail to protect their guy from pundits and their bull crap but believe the same pundits when it comes to marner.

Like you just did?

Fact. Only Team Marner has gone public with anything. Kid might want to reassess who does his talking for him....daddy and Ferris are doing him zero favours.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Sign Mitch to and 8 year deal and give him the C

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Like you just did?

Fact. Only Team Marner has gone public with anything. Kid might want to reassess who does his talking for him....daddy and Ferris are doing him zero favours.

What facts

Ferris sad the leafs were lowballing him and nothing since. I’m sure marner told him to stfu

Again idle speculation from dreger that you willy fans protested when it suited your agenda but now is fact because it suits your agenda

 

[Nithoniniel]

What facts

Ferris sad the leafs were lowballing him and nothing since. I’m sure marner told him to ****

Again idle speculation from dreger that you willy fans protested when it suited your agenda but now is fact because it suits your agenda

Stop trying to push a narrative that people who like Willy aren't also very much fans of Marner. If I have to choose between them which player I like the most, it's Marner every time.

The most I've seen in these threads are people annoyed that what was unforgivable for Willy gets excused for Marner. That doesn't mean you actively hope for the worst case here.

 

[kb]

What facts

Ferris sad the leafs were lowballing him and nothing since. I’m sure marner told him to ****

Again idle speculation from dreger that you willy fans protested when it suited your agenda but now is fact because it suits your agenda

Go ahead and quote where I said that. You can't? That's odd.

But hey look, you built another strawman! Hurray!

 

[kb]

Stop trying to push a narrative that people who like Willy aren't also very much fans of Marner. If I have to choose between them which player I like the most, it's Marner every time.

The most I've seen in these threads are people annoyed that what was unforgivable for Willy gets excused for Marner. That doesn't mean you actively hope for the worst case here.

Ding ding ding! He created his narrative while bashing Nylander for 40 threads.

Problem is, nobody but him has said this in these threads.

 

[CelticDruid]

It is odd......

Yet, not at all surprising.

 

[81Leafs50]

Nylander got 750K-1M more than he should have.

Also, you’re blatantly lieing here. Marner has had significantly better stats than Nylander...

OH YA... these are Nylanders (above) and Marners (below) stats for the past two years before Tavares showed up.

 

[81Leafs50]

Your job is to do more with 12M in Canada than 9.5M in the US? Seems like a pretty sweet gig.

i tell people what to do with the money. I wish I could spend tho lol

 

[FrozenJagrt]

OH YA... these are Nylanders (above) and Marners (below) stats for the past two years before Tavares showed up.

One played with Matthews, the other played with Bozak.

 

[supsens]

OH YA... these are Nylanders (above) and Marners (below) stats for the past two years before Tavares showed up.

one being a skinny little guy that developed man strength would have nothing to do with it?

 

[81Leafs50]

I can see the degradation of Marner is well underway now just like Nylander.

So I guess Marner had nothing to do with Tavares setting career highs? It’s all one way right? This is seriously one of the worst posts I’ve read on this forum in the past little while.

Marner is great. He is amazing. I love the guy.

But he scored 22 goals last year and 26 this year. I'm sorry but that is not worth anything more than 9.16M (cause of his jersey number).

I personally would be surprised if the Leafs even offered more than 8.5M AAV.

Now, since I am a fair person and I want the guy around long term.....please see my contract offer attached.

 

[81Leafs50]

Like it or not Marner is our franchise player. Sadly it is people like you who have no idea of what they are watching. JT was a big time hog I’m the playoffs and hurt us a lot with his one man attempt at offence.

Marner never had the same stats as Nylander. Comparing year for year it is a clear advantage for Marner before last year. If they were the same age you could compare them if they had the same usage. They are not the same age and usage has been no where near the same since 2017-2018 season. One played at a 90 point pace the last 40 which included the playoffs the no where near him.

JT just scored 48 goals far more then he ever has and that is with less pp time and total minutes. His points per 60 was way up. As was his Goals per 60. That did not happen by mistake it was him playing with a player who is better then him who carried his line offensively as JT became the scorer on the line and not the player who created offensive for his line that was all Marner.,

I want what you are smoking.

 

[81Leafs50]

One played with Matthews, the other played with Bozak.

just for the record. YOU were the one that was wrong and lying. They did have similar stats.

Know the info before you call others lairs.

 

[81Leafs50]

one being a skinny little guy that developed man strength would have nothing to do with it?

 

[FrozenJagrt]

just for the record. YOU were the one that was wrong and lying. They did have similar stats.

Know the info before you call others lairs.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Leafs87]

It’s pretty selfish that Marner stated that he intended to wait it out and review offer sheet options. Like do you really want someone who’s eyes are always on the door?

This is maybe just my business mind but anyone and I mean literally anyone can be replaced. You want to negotiate dirty like that ? Okay thank you for your service. By that I mean players have sat out but never openly stated they’re open to an offer sheet. I get he’s great but I’d start drawing the line somewhere and start showing players they’re a team and sometimes that means taking 10.5 when you could get 11.5 somewhere else if you want to stay. Kind of like Yzerman did with Stamkos. This team has a great city and lots to offer. You don’t like it? I’m sorry but get out.

If I were Dubas I’d make the deadline the draft and after that start exploring trade options

At the end of the day, good teams can’t afford a stupid offer sheet. Bad teams will give us at least one lottery pick and 3 others which may also be lottery picks. You start to see what’s more important to a player. Maxing our every dollar possible or winning. I doubt Dubas is low balling here

 

[Mr Hockey]

It’s pretty selfish that Marner stated that he intended to wait it out and review offer sheet options. Like do you really want someone who’s eyes are always on the door?

This is maybe just my business mind but anyone and I mean literally anyone can be replaced. You want to negotiate dirty like that ? Okay thank you for your service. By that I mean players have sat out but never openly stated they’re open to an offer sheet. I get he’s great but I’d start drawing the line somewhere and start showing players they’re a team and sometimes that means taking 10.5 when you could get 11.5 somewhere else if you want to stay. Kind of like Yzerman did with Stamkos. This team has a great city and lots to offer. You don’t like it? I’m sorry but get out.

If I were Dubas I’d make the deadline the draft and after that start exploring trade options

At the end of the day, good teams can’t afford a stupid offer sheet. Bad teams will give us at least one lottery pick and 3 others which may also be lottery picks. You start to see what’s more important to a player. Maxing our every dollar possible or winning. I doubt Dubas is low balling here

When was the last time the Leafs had a 21 year old finish 10th in points

 

[LaPlante94]

When the last time the Leafs had a 21 year old finish 10th in points

Better question is when's the last time we've had a 21 year old who we drafted play a full season with us.

 

[Andrewcoursol]

There will be no trade. Marner will sign with Leafs. No one else in NHL can put the deal the Leafs can on the table including the Habs. Between the AAV and the sponsorships no one else will be close. The AAV is not the important number here. But I can't see the AAV coming below 10-10.5M per. and then another 5M per in sponsors money. If someone else can put a 15M per deal on the table then great have Marner and we will take the 4 1st rounders. But it ain't gonna happen. and whatever Marner's agent says he can't be a baller at 5M per in sponsor money. it has to be Bell and Rogers in that game at that level. and guess who owns MLSE? Get the picture here folks.

Molson can sponsor, losing Marner for 4 mid to later 1st rounders would be very bad for the leafs. i hope habs do it unless they get atop UFA .

 

[Stephen]

It’s pretty selfish that Marner stated that he intended to wait it out and review offer sheet options. Like do you really want someone who’s eyes are always on the door?

This is maybe just my business mind but anyone and I mean literally anyone can be replaced. You want to negotiate dirty like that ? Okay thank you for your service. By that I mean players have sat out but never openly stated they’re open to an offer sheet. I get he’s great but I’d start drawing the line somewhere and start showing players they’re a team and sometimes that means taking 10.5 when you could get 11.5 somewhere else if you want to stay. Kind of like Yzerman did with Stamkos. This team has a great city and lots to offer. You don’t like it? I’m sorry but get out.

If I were Dubas I’d make the deadline the draft and after that start exploring trade options

At the end of the day, good teams can’t afford a stupid offer sheet. Bad teams will give us at least one lottery pick and 3 others which may also be lottery picks. You start to see what’s more important to a player. Maxing our every dollar possible or winning. I doubt Dubas is low balling here

Out of the three negotiations, Marner's camp seems to have come to the table with the most negativity and drama. The Matthews negotiations were pretty quiet, Nylander's was protracted and tough, but seemed to be characterized as all business.

But whether it's the media spin, their use of the media or how they are actually positioning themselves, it feels like the Marner group has been trying to leverage Marner's popularity as the hometown guy to really put the extra squeeze on the Leafs and have been fighting a little dirty in the public conversation.

1) Comments about Marner being lowballed, 2) Comments about how unfair it was that Marner hasn't been taken seriously as a candidate for captain, 3) saying they would go last in negotiations.