Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Winter is coming

[Mr Hockey]

I seriously want to know how much Ferris is paying Dregs to be the Marner camp mouthpiece

I think the Marner camp could easily tell Dubas that if they cant get a deal done, Mitch has to play hockey somewhere and can't just sit out the season and Dubas would agree

 

[Sypher04]

Nah, 450k is certainly not the max... there are players that get very close to 1 mio net. I still don't think/hope he comes over though.

Interesting, when I was researching it I couldn't find anything that stated over 450-500k. I still think my overall point holds true however.

 

[ACC1224]

I seriously want to know how much Ferris is paying Dregs to be the Marner camp mouthpiece

The same as he's paying everyone else who posts their 'thoughts' on the subject.

 

[Walshy7]

Pretty sure he is still RFA after the 3 years.

yeah same timeline as marner. Both first NHL seasons were 2016/17. If Marner is a UFA in 4 years then so is werenski

 

[Nineteen67]

I'd like to think when I was in my younger 20s after putting in a few good years of work... that I'd be okay with 9 million or so for another 8 years to remain at a company who besides the money is one of the best places to work and treats you like royalty.

It must be so difficult for these kids... not getting that extra 2 million is such a .... bummer.

And honestly I guess I'm different than Marner, or his Dad, or his agent... or whoever is pulling the strings... but I'm not worrying if the other guy by me is making 11 million when I'm going to get a 3 year longer guaranteed contract at unreal money... regardless if I'm injured in my workplace etc... and probably when the 8 years is up... I can sign another massive deal.

Are you a professional, a business owner, a salaried employee, or hourly employee?

 

[Walshy7]

Interesting, when I was researching it I couldn't find anything that stated over 450-500k. I still think my overall point holds true however.

it really changes nothing "nearly $1M net is still 1/10th of a nearly $10M deal here. Even after exchange rate $1M swiss francs is $1.3M CAD.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Notice how you use no evidence or math to back up your take.

"Huge parts of the equation" When no equation is being used. "Matthews AAV would have been substantially higher if 8 years" Nothing to back that up (not even a fake number many on here love to use).

I'm not going to any lengths to rationalize his contract. Simply stated the fact it's not the highest and you turn this into some kind of Dubas hating rant.

I swear, people on here can have most of their conversations by themselves. You put words in my mouth in your post then argue them. Why do you even need a forum to have this conversation.

But didn’t you agree a few posts back that Marners aav should be lower at three years than at 8? Are you ignoring the historical precedent that bridge deals come with substantially lower aav’s?

 

[stickty111]

I seriously want to know how much Ferris is paying Dregs to be the Marner camp mouthpiece

Nylander's side didn't do any of this and at least stayed professional. He just wanted his contract.
What Marner is doing is borderline insulting the organization. I don't how Dubas can stand up there and pay him 11+ million.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

If Point signs a deal at 7.5x3 does Marner camp cave?
Have to think Toronto was/is fine with around 8x3

Obviously they can hold to their numbers... but if similar players come off the board this close to camp. They have to take a realistic pill.... though same can be said for Leafs brass if they are stalling on a unreasonable price point.

 

[Peiskos]

I'd like to think when I was in my younger 20s after putting in a few good years of work... that I'd be okay with 9 million or so for another 8 years to remain at a company who besides the money is one of the best places to work and treats you like royalty.

It must be so difficult for these kids... not getting that extra 2 million is such a .... bummer.

And honestly I guess I'm different than Marner, or his Dad, or his agent... or whoever is pulling the strings... but I'm not worrying if the other guy by me is making 11 million when I'm going to get a 3 year longer guaranteed contract at unreal money... regardless if I'm injured in my workplace etc... and probably when the 8 years is up... I can sign another massive deal.

I agree with this entirely. It all comes down to greed vs love of hockey, Nylander has already proven he loves money more than hockey, Marner has now proven it as well. Hmm I wonder if these are the kind of players who will one day lead up to a Stanley Cup

 

[WTFMAN99]

The whole Swiss thing is hilarious, i'd totally call him on his bluff. Classic Ferris.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

it really changes nothing "nearly $1M net is still 1/10th of a nearly $10M deal here. Even after exchange rate $1M swiss francs is $1.3M CAD.

Cost of living in Switzerland is also crazy and I don't think you can buy land/properties if your not a citizen.

 

[Kiwi]

Signing in the KHL would be more plausible since he could make good money there

The girls are spectacular as well if your that way inclined, you can have a lot of fun in that country as a young unmarried man

 

[Go4soda]

What does this even mean? Would you say this to the guy's face? If not, you're probably better off not saying it at all....

I really dislike when people talk trash about other people, while being anonymous and behind a computer screen.

Sorry, Paul.

 

[Confucius]

Wow apparently Marner would rather play in Switzerland for about 20 percent of what we could pay him. I guess he really despises us. Some thought he should be captain. LMAO!

 

[ACC1224]

The whole Swiss thing is hilarious, i'd totally call him on his bluff. Classic Ferris.

Why do you think it's a bluff?
He will need to skate somewhere

 

[kb]

Is this true? That teams lost so many RFA's lately I'd be surprised if they'd be good with the chance of losing another. I thought Werenski and Marner were taken in the same draft

Only in the sense that it leaves him 1 year short of UFA status, and if he elects arbitration after that, he will then be UFA. It's a gamble on both sides.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

If you do a search you'll see articles about Paul and his take on things. Sounds like quite a few different parents: Hockey Parents, We Need To Talk: Looking at You, Paul.

I thought this was an interesting read ...

Let's talk about Mitch Marner

My son played rep for years (finishing in bantam a couple of years ago after he'd had enough of it much to our relief). The number of reprehensible, backstabbing, lying d-bag parents was breath taking and it got worse the higher the level he played. I ran into many Paul Marners (assuming it's true what's being said about him). If he is one of these types, I'm willing to believe every rumour about ridiculous contract demands and threats to play in Europe.

Get used to it. This is becoming more and more common and teams will be dealing with more and more problem parents because they are an epidemic in minor hockey right now.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dreger really likes being the mouthpiece for these guys, doesn't he. I just think it ruins his objectivity and thus credibility.

If he’s getting information directly from the Marner camp how does it ruin his objectivity and credibility? Wouldn’t that strengthen his credibility?

 

[Mr Hockey]

The whole Swiss thing is hilarious, i'd totally call him on his bluff. Classic Ferris.

Mitch has to play hockey if a deal doesn't get done, it's really not a threat/bluff and just about Mitch playing games instead of sitting at home for a year

 

[18leafsfan18]

But didn’t you agree a few posts back that Marners aav should be lower at three years than at 8? Are you ignoring the historical precedent that bridge deals come with substantially lower aav’s?

Here is what I said, honestly it took me 20 seconds to look back at it. Likely less time then it took for you to write another inaccurate post.

No I do not agree term is a huge part of a contract's value. It's a part, but not a huge part. Almost every guy with high end talent coming off ELC didn't sign for 8 years, was never an issue before.

Marner's value to me is max of 10.5 x 7 (Maybe 10.5 x 6). For 3 years he would have to be lower than that. Pretty simple.

How much lower ? I have no idea and neither does anyone else because there is absolutely no evidence to show how much the term effects the AAV of a contract.

Literally all that above has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted btw.

As for Matthews contract: Not highest in actual dollars, not highest AAV. Can't arguably say anything. Simply isn't the highest. It's 3rd for AAV, likely not even top 10 for actual dollars.

Also notice, Again none of this has anything to do with what I originally posted, this whole rant your on is a 2 way conversation you are having with yourself.

Now on to the bridge deal talk. That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation at all, again.

I assume your are looking to a player like Kane or Toews (5 yr bridge, then 8 year contract). I wonder what happened during that 5 year bridge that made that 8 year contract such a higher number. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Nineteen67]

He won't be paid to train.
I wonder if Tkachuk will go with him?

Tkachuk and McAvoy will train likely train at a US college facility.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Why do you think it's a bluff?
He will need to skate somewhere

Mitch has to play hockey if a deal doesn't get done, it's really not a threat and just about Mitch playing games instead of sitting at home for a year

So Marner doesn't like the offers he's getting from the Leafs to play hockey...

But he's going to go to Europe to play hockey for significantly less money then what the Leafs are offering. I am sure Marner is going to Switzerland just like Gaudreau had every intention of going to Europe

 

[Go4soda]

When was the last time he said anything?

This is HF. I’m just speculating like everyone else. Paul marner has a reputation. I didn’t invent it. The guy is very aggressively involved in his son’s affairs. All of a sudden everyone is blown away by any idea that he may be behind mitch’s Demands. Wow.
If you want to argue, the truth is, none of us know s***.
I’m not trying to be hyperbolic. But maybe my comment was. Whatever. But to act like it’s completely baseless is laughable.
Besides, I’m not a professional reporter. That’s why we’re on HF.

 

[Burnie97]

Are you a professional, a business owner, a salaried employee, or hourly employee?

I've been in a profession, I've been a salaried employee, and a hourly employee. I haven't been a business owner.. but in this case... seems to me this owner is being more than reasonable if the numbers being thrown around are even close to that.

I'm guessing your argument is going to be along the lines of f*** that I'm making as much as the other guy... but also people need to know their roles and spot in a workplace...

Clearly in the Leafs management's mind it goes Matthews>Marner>Nylander

People can argue forever about point totals goals ... whatever... but most likely they'll be paid in that order.

You don't have to agree with it... just what I think. Also I don't think money is everything because of many things that have happened in my own experience... so I'd be okay with millions.