Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Winter is coming

[Throw More Waffles]

No I do not agree term is a huge part of a contract's value. It's a part, but not a huge part. Almost every guy with high end talent coming off ELC didn't sign for 8 years, was never an issue before.

Marner's value to me is max of 10.5 x 7 (Maybe 10.5 x 6). For 3 years he would have to be lower than that. Pretty simple.

How much lower ? I have no idea and neither does anyone else because there is absolutely no evidence to show how much the term effects the AAV of a contract.

Literally all that above has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted btw.

As for Matthews contract: Not highest in actual dollars, not highest AAV. Can't arguably say anything. Simply isn't the highest. It's 3rd for AAV, likely not even top 10 for actual dollars.

Matthews aav is 3rd highest, ONE ufa year. McDavid’s is higher with FOUR ufa years.

Term and number of ufa years are HUGE parts of the equation.

Good god... the lengths people go to try and rationalize the Matthews contract.

You agree that Marners aav should be lower at 3 years than at 7... so why can’t we do this in reverse? Matthews aav would be substantially higher if 8 years.

 

[stickty111]

I'm not buying it.

 

[ULF_55]

Would you have said Marner’s agent going on the radio immediately trashing Matthews signing, before it happened was doubtful?

Darren Ferris and Paul Marner aren’t regular in how they handle things

If you do a search you'll see articles about Paul and his take on things. Sounds like quite a few different parents: Hockey Parents, We Need To Talk: Looking at You, Paul.

I thought this was an interesting read ...

Let's talk about Mitch Marner

 

[shakes]

I'm not buying it.

Dreger really likes being the mouthpiece for these guys, doesn't he. I just think it ruins his objectivity and thus credibility.

 

[Marshy]

Dreger gonna Dreg

 

[ACC1224]

Dreger really likes being the mouthpiece for these guys, doesn't he. I just think it ruins his objectivity and thus credibility.

What would be the objective, credible way to post that message?

 

[shakes]

What would be the objective, credible way to post that message?

How about not?

 

[ULF_55]

Dreger really likes being the mouthpiece for these guys, doesn't he. I just think it ruins his objectivity and thus credibility.

I'm okay if he goes overseas to workout.

I'd be okay if he signed contract and played the year there ... Leafs would know where they are with the Cap and make adjustments.

What hurts the Leafs more than marner not signing is not knowing.

 

[ACC1224]

How about not?

That's his job.
You don't think people want information? Why would anyone follow him then?

 

[supermann_98]

I'm not buying it.

Me neither, call his bluff Dubas. Let him play for Lindt chocolate all year

 

[TOGuy14]

Werenski just took 5M to secure a 3 year bridge deal.

If Marner wants a 3 year deal his ask needs to come down to 7.5M

 

[ACC1224]

Looks like Werenski is signing.

https://www.tsn.ca/report-columbus-blue-jackets-d-zach-werenski-reach-three-year-15m-deal-1.1362787

 

[Kiwi]

I'm not buying it.

If he's crazy enough to turn down close to 10M dollars this year to play hockey in Switzerland best of luck to him but you would have to be high to take that threat credibily

It's a joke of a threat

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'd say LOL Dreger but his nonsense is too far gone to be funny any more, pathetic is what it is.

 

[ACC1224]

Me neither, call his bluff Dubas. Let him play for Lindt chocolate all year

He won't be paid to train.
I wonder if Tkachuk will go with him?

 

[Sypher04]

Imagine turning down an upper echelon NHL deal to go play in Zurich for I think 450k was the max?
That ~9-10 million you lose this season, over the course of even a 6 year deal, you probably never make it back over the course of the contract. If you do, it's ever so narrowly.
So good luck with that.

If it's just to train, it's weird, but whatever.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

What a steal for the BJs

 

[BertCorbeau]

Signing in the KHL would be more plausible since he could make good money there

 

[kb]

Werenski just took 5M to secure a 3 year bridge deal.

If Marner wants a 3 year deal his ask needs to come down to 7.5M

That's a steal. But it essentially walks him to UFA. Weird contract since cap space isn't an issue there at all.

 

[SwissLeaf]

Imagine turning down an upper echelon NHL deal to go play in Zurich for I think 450k was the max?
That ~9-10 million you lose this season, over the course of even a 6 year deal, you probably never make it back over the course of the contract. If you do, it's ever so narrowly.
So good luck with that.

If it's just to train, it's weird, but whatever.

Nah, 450k is certainly not the max... there are players that get very close to 1 mio net. I still don't think/hope he comes over though.

 

[18leafsfan18]

Matthews aav is 3rd highest, ONE ufa year. McDavid’s is higher with FOUR ufa years.

Term and number of ufa years are HUGE parts of the equation.

Good god... the lengths people go to try and rationalize the Matthews contract.

You agree that Marners aav should be lower at 3 years than at 7... so why can’t we do this in reverse? Matthews aav would be substantially higher if 8 years.

Notice how you use no evidence or math to back up your take.

"Huge parts of the equation" When no equation is being used. "Matthews AAV would have been substantially higher if 8 years" Nothing to back that up (not even a fake number many on here love to use).

I'm not going to any lengths to rationalize his contract. Simply stated the fact it's not the highest and you turn this into some kind of Dubas hating rant.

I swear, people on here can have most of their conversations by themselves. You put words in my mouth in your post then argue them. Why do you even need a forum to have this conversation.

 

[supermann_98]

That's a steal. But it essentially walks him to UFA. Weird contract since cap space isn't an issue there at all.

Is this true? That teams lost so many RFA's lately I'd be surprised if they'd be good with the chance of losing another. I thought Werenski and Marner were taken in the same draft

 

[Mr Hockey]

Its only Dregers opinion, meh, means nothing ...

 

[taurine330]

Is this true? That teams lost so many RFA's lately I'd be surprised if they'd be good with the chance of losing another. I thought Werenski and Marner were taken in the same draft

Pretty sure he is still RFA after the 3 years.

 

[supermann_98]

Its only Dregers opinion, meh, means nothing ...

I seriously want to know how much Ferris is paying Dregs to be the Marner camp mouthpiece