Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Winter is coming

[Stephen]

awfully strong response. Did I read the quote wrong or was this not just Feshcuk thinking out loud about what Marner probably/maybe/sorta thinks about stuff?

I think it’s just a gestalt negative impression left by the whole negotiating process to date.

 

[Nineteen67]

Holy!!! That’s a solid bridge.


Dubas

They could do a 6,6,12 (24 million) bridge.

 

[BackPassChampions]

C'mon everyone. It's too quiet haven't heard a thing, Jake left and was widely speculated he'd only leave Toronto when he was told "sorry have no room."

A dominoe will fall between now, and Thursday. With reports also suggesting Dubas is working the hardest to sign Marner, as well as Dubas saying that their are multiple choices with term that Marner is comfortable with, now it becomes a question of $ for each option, that suits the player and the teams cap situation the best.

Dubas' shoes, I'd sit down with Ferris and say well these are the options, let's focus on the best one in your eyes and hash out the $, bonus $, signing bonus.

Also JT kind of said today as well that Marner is preparing like he will be in camp and hopes that something gets done in the next couple days.

Can you link the video of JT stating this?

 

[Apotheosis]

Honestly. If McDavid pulled the chute in Edmonton and demanded a trade, I would be dangling Marner pretty fast on that one.

You dangle pretty much everything that doesn't completely gut the rest of the team. Would have to say goodbye Matthews. Matthews+Nylander+multiple firsts. Run McDavid-Tavares down the middle and still have Marner lmao.

 

[Notsince67]

To be fair, NotSince is well known for being a Marner apologist...Tavares was actually a plug before he met mitch, we all just didn't know it...I've been vocal saying they benefited each other immensely...Tavares has a deal Marner doesn't...who really benefited more out of the partnership?
Tavares never steps foot on Marner's line and Marner gets 60-70 points this year and the contract is already signed
but instead
Tavares and Marner team up...Marner benefits greatly (as does JT) from playing with another star and sets the league on fire in a contract year...how nobody in the leafs brass saw this outcome happening I will never understand lol...

I have always been a JT fan. He plays a type of hockey I love. I have never said he was a plug. I think he is awesome. I also have eyes, have watched all of but 3 games last year including the pre-season and can see that short of the powerplay, he had a career year.
Marner has been over 90 points for 82 consecutive games as of December 1st of this year. LMAO that you think he is a sub 71 point player. Try watching a game or two and you would see he is a dominant force

 

[Nineteen67]

I was unaware if true.

I found this on Pension Plan Puppets. Notice the last paragraph. If the Leafs could just find someone to play 25 games for free....

NHL, AHL and ECHL Hockey Contracts 101
Try-Out Contracts

Try-out deals, nearly always called ATOs and PTOs (A is for amateur and P is for professional) are short-term deals that pay a per-diem and expire after 25 games played. They can be renewed, however. The most common use for these contracts is for professional players looking for AHL or NHL jobs in the early part of a season and for amateur players, usually graduating juniors, looking for AHL or ECHL jobs in the spring.
Drafted prospects from junior hockey or Europe can play on AHL or ECHL teams under an ATO when their other hockey season is over. NCAA players cannot unless they have finished college hockey.
In very rare instances, players will appear deeper into the regular NHL season than the first few games while still on a PTO. The team would have to be careful the league didn’t consider it cap avoidance, and the player would have to willing to play for what amounts to free in the NHL, so it doesn’t happen often.

 

[PromisedLand]

They could do a 6,6,12 (24 million) bridge.

arbitration would come into play then too. I don't know whats taking so long for a 3 yr bridge. Here is hoping Ferris isn't pushing for a 4 year deal walking him straight to UFA.

I guess time to see now if Marner is as into "money" as Nylander was.....

 

[rojac]

It is amazing the amount of press and clicks the statements get that start with

- I think
- I believe
- I feel
etc...

Yea nobody cares what you believe Dreger

Isn't it Dreger's job to give his opinion? I wonder if you're just upset that someone is paying Dreger for his opinion and you have to give yours away for free.

Also, just curious. You state that nobody cares what Dreger believes? Do you think people on this board care what you think? If your opinions can be out there, why not Dreger's?

 

[18leafsfan18]

COuld you link it in this post?

What I saw was just a reddit post.

Something to do with having to calculate if the contract is considered front loaded. If it isn't there are a whole different set of rules.

 

[Stephen]

You dangle pretty much everything that doesn't completely gut the rest of the team. Would have to say goodbye Matthews. Matthews+Nylander+multiple firsts. Run McDavid-Tavares down the middle and still have Marner lmao.

Oh no no, Marner would be the one to go.

 

[18leafsfan18]

They are both valid points.
Matthews is not the highest paid player - fact
HOWEVER, he probably will end up with more money than McDavid after 8 years. - highly probable

And of course his full contract isn't close to the top 10, he only signed for 5 years.

But then when McDavid signs his next contract what do you think happens ?

 

[Lightsol]

Oh no no, Marner would be the one to go.

I think the point Apotheosis is trying to make, is that if the Oilers dangled McDavid, they would absolutely demand Matthews in return. In that situation, yes, Matthews+Nylander is a much better choice than Matthews+Marner. I would say no f***ing way to the second, even considering how good McDavid actually is...

 

[hullsy47]

But then when McDavid signs his next contract what do you think happens ?

Apperantlty he had leafs bedsheets too

 

[ULF_55]

Well we are paying our number one generational center bases on
Goals he would have scored over an 82 game schedule because he misses 15 to 20 games a year due to injury.
So if we do it for one we have to for the other.

If marner would have played all year with those third line players he would have scored 90 points

You guys love these stats but only when it benefits your agenda.
And we all know what your agenda is.

No Matthews is being paid because he's unique. He's never had a 30 goal scorer on his line, nor had a veteran play a season on his line while scoring the goals he has.

 

[Menzinger]

arbitration would come into play then too. I don't know whats taking so long for a 3 yr bridge. Here is hoping Ferris isn't pushing for a 4 year deal walking him straight to UFA.

I guess time to see now if Marner is as into "money" as Nylander was.....

He already is.... hence the refusal.to sign anything other than a short term deal.

Nylanders biggest focus was fear of being traded- his side was always willing to sign long term even with the upcoming CBA renewal

 

[notdoneyet]

No Matthews is being paid because he's unique. He's never had a 30 goal scorer on his line, nor had a veteran play a season on his line while scoring the goals he has.

Are you happy with him scoring 70 points with 40 goals every year.

Please tell me what you think Matthews should get this year in goals and points to justify his contract.

 

[ORRFForever]

Has he signed yet?

 

[Menzinger]

If anyone actually thinks the Leafs are the unreasonable party here they forfits any claim for ationality in this thread

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Holy!!! That’s a solid bridge.


Dubas

Can you imagine... imagine... if he were a leaf and Dubas signed him? At three years, I'd guess closer to 7.

Can you imagine the way that his stats would be nitpicked by the usual suspects? The level they would be going to rationalize what Dubas gave him?

It just goes to show that, other than Dubas, there doesn't really seem to be a "new paradigm" for rfa's. All the other hold outs are waiting for Dubas to double down on overpayment on Marner (like he already did with Matthews), but as of RIGHT NOW, the new "rfa paradigm" is ENTIRELY created by Dubas.

 

[ORRFForever]

My buddy is worried his work contract won't be extended.

I wonder if Marner is worried about him?

 

[Menzinger]

If Dreger is putting out information for Marner wouldn't he put things out there that make Marner look good?

He floats rumors of absolutely absurd contract suggestions, then when Marner signs for an overpayment (but less than the rumors) he still gets to look like the home town hero even though hell get more money than he deserves.

 

[PromisedLand]

I think the point Apotheosis is trying to make, is that if the Oilers dangled McDavid, they would absolutely demand Matthews in return. In that situation, yes, Matthews+Nylander is a much better choice than Matthews+Marner. I would say no ****ing way to the second, even considering how good McDavid actually is...

XXX-Tavares-Marner
XXX-McDavid-XXX

for the next 6 years?

Where do I sign?

 

[ULF_55]

Are you happy with him scoring 70 points with 40 goals every year.

Please tell me what you think Matthews should get this year in goals and points to justify his contract.

Conn Smythe

Honestly, I don't think any of them justify their contracts, just some are worse than others.

 

[PromisedLand]

He already is.... hence the refusal.to sign anything other than a short term deal.

Nylanders biggest focus was fear of being traded- his side was always willing to sign long term even with the upcoming CBA renewal

No offense but seeing you in the Nylander threads when he was RFA and in Marner threads; comparing your posts it is pretty evident your posts are very biased towards nylander

 

[Suntouchable13]

Are you happy with him scoring 70 points with 40 goals every year.

Please tell me what you think Matthews should get this year in goals and points to justify his contract.

He can score 40 goals and 70 points, but he justifies the contract somewhat in the playoffs. For me it's all about the playoffs at this point. That's how he'll be judged by me, as well as all of our top players. He can win the Rocket, but if he flames out in the playoffs the Rocket is meaningless. Same for Marner, he can win the Art Ross, but if we go nowhere in the playoffs it will all be meaningless.