Salary Cap: Marner Contract Discussion - Winter is coming

[baton elevated]

You can't possibly know that. The Bruins have been well run, there's no arguing that, but that doesn't change the fact that those are some terrible trades. Seguin, Thornton, etc. could very well have put them in the top tier of this generation with the Penguins and Blackhawks.

You misunderstood my intent with that comment. What I mean by it is........by them losing quality players still allows them to be a great team. Them walking away from players still leaves them competitive even if they don't always win the big prize. If we traded Marner and and got less than market value but appeared in SC finals would it not be a successful?
I love Marner and would love him to remain a Leaf for the next 10 years but this is not healthy for the organization.

 

[kb]

Lol

Yeah, he's not shilling at all.

 

[Legion34]

Lol

If Ilya is on the team. The most we could do is 10.34 right?

Here’s a crazy thought. Could the leafs wait out a team. Who have a back up they would have to put through waivers. Then get him at 50 percent and add one of our million 6th round picks and get them to retain 50 percent.

 

[biotk]

His QO would be 110% of his last year though. So for Werenski it would be 7.7 mill or for Marner it would be 15.4 mill

At a certain $ amount the qualifying offer is 100% of the last year. I don't remember what that dollar amount is but I think it is somewhere around a million or two.

Honestly, I am okay with that. Assuming he wants the 3 year deal, that should give the Leafs at least 2 years to try and mend the fences or the Leafs can look at trade offers to move on from him... Because the fact of the matter is that as long as the have the rest of the squad (Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Rielly, Andersen, etc.), they are going to be good enough to win the cup without him.

I agree. I think the Leafs are good enough to win without him. I think that Marner's camp will always be a headache.

 

[Burnie97]

What I’m getting at is professionals and business owners are driving by competition and don’t like to lose. Although some are extremely generous, they have a bit of narcism in them and they want their fair share of the pie.

Fair enough.

I guess it's just wishful thinking that a 20 year old would be okay getting millions and playing for his team growing up.

Especially after Nylander dragging it out .. you think Marner and his agent and his Dad... whoever... could come to somewhere in the middle.

I wasn't around then... but I'm surprised some of these young guys don't look back at history, and remember what wearing the Maple Leaf is all about. Those guys back in the day gave up way more to play in a professional sports league and got paid peanuts.

I guess its about living in the now but maybe itd help them to think about it and give their head a shake.

 

[BackPassChampions]

Lol

Two can play at that game.

Why can’t they just take the fair offer that’s presented.

 

[biotk]

That one wasn’t quite accurate. Mirtle reported in person on his last podcast. That he was at 8.7 x 3

Mirtle reported in person on his last podcast that the Leafs (not Marner) had offered 8.7x3 around late July.

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah, he's not shilling at all.

How does that work?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Lol

Maybe because it is the wrong side of the table which needs to compromise?

As people have said, why can't Marner come down to 9.5-10x6 to draw the line in the sand?

 

[Nineteen67]

Fair enough.

I guess it's just wishful thinking that a 20 year old would be okay getting millions and playing for his team growing up.

Especially after Nylander dragging it out .. you think Marner and his agent and his Dad... whoever... could come to somewhere in the middle.

I wasn't around then... but I'm surprised some of these young guys don't look back at history, and remember what wearing the Maple Leaf is all about. Those guys back in the day gave up way more to play in a professional sports league and got paid peanuts.

I guess its about living in the now but maybe itd help them to think about it and give their head a shake.

They very quickly lose their fandom once they become draft eligible.
Sort of like fans, once you hit adulthood you lose that giddiness you had as a child. Most of watch a particular team but don’t really care who wins or loses.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Didn't say that at all. I literally posted it for you again.

How can you be so wrong when it's literally posted twice.

So you agree term should affect Marners aav. You agree bridge deals (term) affects aav. So, again, why doesn’t this apply to Matthews aav when comparing him you mcDavids 8 year contract?

 

[Nineteen67]

Lol

Tommy Hunter has a strange agenda so it would be nice if he included a little more context in his tweet.

 

[18leafsfan18]

No, not saying that at all. How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Sorry, should have wrote it differently (The way I wrote it is not what I was trying to convey).

Do you think the Leafs should sign and trade Marner ?

 

[18leafsfan18]

So you agree term should affect Marners aav. You agree bridge deals (term) affects aav. So, again, why doesn’t this apply to Matthews aav when comparing him you mcDavids 8 year contract?

I never disagreed that term affects AAV. I Actually straight up said it does affect it. No one knows by how much (Dubas haters love to over inflate this number, with no evidence whatsoever), like I said, and posted twice.

You still seem to be arguing a conversation you are having with yourself.

What bridge deals are you talking about ?

Give some examples, because it would be pretty foolish to assume Kane/Toews bridge contracts were lower because of the term (They won 2 cups before the 8 year deals were signed).

 

[mikeyz]

If I were Dubas, I would tell Mitch, Paul and Ferris that if they get on that plane to Switzerland, they can stay there for the year. Have fun making 500K there as opposed to 9-9.5 million here.

I am sick and tired of this shit. The Leafs cannot have another Nylander fiasco here.

Dubas needs to put his foot down.

 

[baton elevated]

Sorry, should have wrote it differently (The way I wrote it is not what I was trying to convey).

Do you think the Leafs should sign and trade Marner ?

Well that is very tricky and the team would basically be pigeon holing themselves. They would be handcuffed with their leverage. If the intent was to get fair value for MM them explore a plausible trade partner and work a trade with them pre signing. I'm sure Marner's camp has all kinds of stipulations attached to a signing anyway. Their camp would defend against that possibility.

 

[KPower]

3x11

Year 1-10
Year 2-10
Year 3-13

 

[glue]

Lol

Hilarious! Dreger has literally become the spokesperson for the Marner camp.

Based on that tweet and what Mirtle shared about the negotiations, my guess is that the Leafs have offered:
1. 8.7 x 3 years
2. 10 x 6 years
3. 11 x 7 years

To me comparing that to the Market, Marner should be very pleased to pick any option. Instead we’re hearing he might head to Switzerland lol. Oh well let’s see what happens next, my guess is he signs day before camp.

 

[ACC1224]

If I were Dubas, I would tell Mitch, Paul and Ferris that if they get on that plane to Switzerland, they can stay there for the year.

I am sick and tired of this ****. The Leafs cannot have another Nylander fiasco here.

Dubas needs to put his foot down.

All 3 wouldn't get on the plane I would think.
Probably just Mitch, maybe his girlfriend or mother.

 

[81Leafs50]

you can tell Ferris has his hand so far up Dregers ass like a puppet.

this tells you what the real number is.

Marner wants 11M for 6 years.

Matthews got 11.634M for 5 years.

It also tells you the Leafs are in or around 9.5 mill as the MAX they will pay Marner on any length of deal.

 

[mondo13]

guessing he signs for 10 x 6 or something.

i've pretty much ignored everything dreger has had to say.

 

[Suntouchable13]

All 3 wouldn't get on the plane I would think.
Probably just Mitch, maybe his girlfriend or mother.

He should just check his ego at the door and sign already. Skate with his teammates instead of with some team on the other side of the world, how about that?

 

[18leafsfan18]

Well that is very tricky and the team would basically be pigeon holing themselves. They would be handcuffed with their leverage. If the intent was to get fair value for MM them explore a plausible trade partner and work a trade with them pre signing. I'm sure Marner's camp has all kinds of stipulations attached to a signing anyway. Their camp would defend against that possibility.

Wouldn't that be similar to some of the players you mentioned before ?

They screwed up a bunch of those situations. Which got their GM fired.

Boston has had a ton of success, but I don't think its because they "Stick to their guns against their RFAs/UFAs".

Their success comes from a solid core of players. Most of which have drastically outplayed their fair contracts they signed (Their entire first line). Leafs core players haven't had a chance to outplay those contracts (other then Reilly / Freddie).

The Leafs look to have done the same thing.

 

[kb]

How does that work?

Where is he coming up with those outrageous offers that won't fit without the Leafs trading away someone?

Room temp IQ if it's his own idea.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Wouldn't that be similar to some of the players you mentioned before ?

They screwed up a bunch of those situations. Which got their GM fired.

Boston has had a ton of success, but I don't think its because they "Stick to their guns against their RFAs/UFAs".

Their success comes from a solid core of players. Most of which have drastically outplayed their fair contracts they signed (Their entire first line). Leafs core players haven't had a chance to outplay those contracts (other then Reilly / Freddie).

The Leafs look to have done the same thing.

Nylander has a chance to outplay his deal. Matthews? Very little chance. Same for Marner if he signs for what is reported he wants