Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

[Hinterland]

I think, just one ref called it a good goal. Thats why they called the linesman over for a little chat. Don‘t ask me what the protocol would be in such cases.

One called it a good goal, the other one didn't object. Why would you have to signal a good goal if the other ref already did? At least one of those refs was very well positioned, certainly better than the linesman.

The job description of a linesman includes faceoffs and decisions re icings and offsides. Everything else is beyond their pay grade. They can step in and help if no ref is in a position to make a decision but that clearly wasn't the case here.

Give me only one example where well positioned refs changed their unanimous decision based on the opinion of a linesman. I've never seen anything like this at any level in over two decades of watching mostly hundreds of hockey games every year. I don't think it's how it's supposed to work either. A ref is a ref and a linesman is a linesman.

Again, it just looks like a scam to me.

I think hockey refing has to become more transparent. In rugby, the ref, the linesmen and the TMO (television match official, a still active or former refs), are all mic'd up and communication between them is directly relayed to the TV feed. In most cases games don't have to be stopped for replays because the TMO and his/her team are looking at everything with the TMO and ref talking about it with play still ongoing. If for once they have to look at something they do it on the big stadium screen, not on small tablets.


I don't see why this shouldn't be possible in hockey as well. Situations like the one we're discussing could be solved much easier, faster and in a more transparent way.

 

[OMG67]

Sorry, i was on the road…no celly while driving…

Ok. THIS TIME!

 

[OMG67]

One called it a good goal, the other one didn't object. Why would you have to signal a good goal if the other ref already did? At least one of those refs was very well positioned, certainly better than the linesman.

The job description of a linesman includes faceoffs and decisions re icings and offsides. Everything else is beyond their pay grade. They can step in and help if no ref is in a position to make a decision but that clearly wasn't the case here.

Give me only one example where well positioned refs changed their unanimous decision based on the opinion of a linesman. I've never seen anything like this at any level in over two decades of watching mostly hundreds of hockey games every year. I don't think it's how it's supposed to work either. A ref is a ref and a linesman is a linesman.

Again, it just looks like a scam to me.

Loads of puck touches are confirmed by linesmen. Many of the high sticks and pucks clear over the glass for delay of game penalties etc.

The back referee could have questioned it. Asked the linesman. Then confirm with the net Referee whether he only saw the puck enter the net or whether he saw the redirection. It is very possible the close ref did not see any redirection but the back official did. They can huddle up and if the linesman says it was clearly a high stick, they can reverse the call.

I don’t have an issue with that. It really should be about getting the call right (within the rules). I think we agree that if the call was actually a good goal, the video review wouldn’t’ be conclusive enough to overturn it. But this explanation does make a lot of sense to me.

 

[leafs4life94]

One called it a good goal, the other one didn't object. Why would you have to signal a good goal if the other ref already did? At least one of those refs was very well positioned, certainly better than the linesman.

The job description of a linesman includes faceoffs and decisions re icings and offsides. Everything else is beyond their pay grade. They can step in and help if no ref is in a position to make a decision but that clearly wasn't the case here.

Give me only one example where well positioned refs changed their unanimous decision based on the opinion of a linesman. I've never seen anything like this at any level in over two decades of watching hundreds of hockey games every year. I don't think it's how it's supposed to work either. A ref is a ref and a linesman is a linesman.

Again, it just looks like a scam to me.

Saying linesmen can't do anything but icing and offsides is a ridiculous statement. 4 pairs of eyes is better than 2 and if a ref misses something why would they not ask other officials what they saw?

It's much to better to communicate and get it right rather than have a ref not be confident in what they call because they shouldn't be allowed to talk to the icing/offsides drone.

 

[Hinterland]

Loads of puck touches are confirmed by linesmen. Many of the high sticks and pucks clear over the glass for delay of game penalties etc.

The back referee could have questioned it. Asked the linesman. Then confirm with the net Referee whether he only saw the puck enter the net or whether he saw the redirection. It is very possible the close ref did not see any redirection but the back official did. They can huddle up and if the linesman says it was clearly a high stick, they can reverse the call.

I don’t have an issue with that. It really should be about getting the call right (within the rules). I think we agree that if the call was actually a good goal, the video review wouldn’t’ be conclusive enough to overturn it. But this explanation does make a lot of sense to me.

We all agree there's no conclusive evidence either way. I don't like the way it went down one bit though. I think they made the wrong decision and the way they changed their call based on the opinion of a linesman is fishy as well. I think hockey refing has to become more transparent. They can't just so whatever the f*** they want and get away with it. They also have to stop ruining games with 10mins replays. Especially if the result is as underwhelming as the one yesterday where they were never gonna spot anything conclusive anyway.

 

[Hinterland]

Saying linesmen can't do anything but icing and offsides is a ridiculous statement. 4 pairs of eyes is better than 2 and if a ref misses something why would they not ask other officials what they saw?

It's much to better to communicate and get it right rather than have a ref not be confident in what they call because they shouldn't be allowed to talk to the icing/offsides drone.

I'm not saying they can't do anything. I said the way it's supposed to be is that linesmen can step in and help with decisions in case no ref is well enough positioned to do it. That clearly wasn't the case yesterday. I can't recall a similar situation in forever because that's not how it's supposed to work if one ref calls it a good goal with the other, well positioned one not objecting. Which is what makes what went down look like a scam...especially because there was zero transparency. We didn't hear their communication and they didn't even announce it when they changed their decision. In 2024 that's just unacceptable.

 

[ohloutsider]

Linesman can call too many men on ice penalties, delay of game and can call majors on hits but that has to be reviewed by the refs after the call. All 4 can weigh in on most all calls during a review. Refs look at off sides if a review is requested. It can and will always be dealt with as an officiating team. Be safe.

 

[Hinterland]

Linesman can call too many men on ice penalties, delay of game and can call majors on hits but that has to be reviewed by the refs after the call. All 4 can weigh in on most all calls during a review. Refs look at off sides if a review is requested. It can and will always be dealt with as an officiating team. Be safe.

I agree. Having said that, I've never seen refs, at least one very well positioned, change their unanimous decision based on the opinion of a linesman. I don't think that's how it should work either, especially if they don't announce their changed call ahead of the review and if we can't hear communication between the officials.

 

[OMG67]

I agree. Having said that, I've never seen refs, at least one very well positioned, change their unanimous decision based on the opinion of a linesman. I don't think that's how it should work either, especially if they don't announce their changed call ahead of the review and if we can't hear communication between the officials.

I agree but Stonehouse had his back to that official so I think ti is highly likely the official didn’t see the high stick. That is why there are two refs on the ice to catch what the other doesn’t see. Without actually being in that huddle after the play and before the video review, I cannot honestly say anything other than speculate. Based on what @Mild Italian said, it does make sense, even if it wasn’t handled with proper communication.

Normally the announcer would announce that the play is no goal and the play is under review for a high stick. Int his case, it doesn’t sound like they announced it and didn’t tell the coaches until after it was all done. But, it is what it is. I am jsut happy we actually got a clarification form someone.

Water under the bridge at this point.

Now back to shitting on DC!…..

 

[ScoutLife4]

I agree. Having said that, I've never seen refs, at least one very well positioned, change their unanimous decision based on the opinion of a linesman. I don't think that's how it should work either, especially if they don't announce their changed call ahead of the review and if we can't hear communication between the officials.

happens almost every game where they call the liney in for opinion on a goal or penalty.
Not uncommon at all.

 

[beastintheeast]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions. The team is playing very well in a season where expectations were really low. The results aren't matching the team's mostly dominant performances but that's due to rather subpar goaltending and a lack of finish on the team. I'd argue that neither is Cameron's fault. He has the team play the right way despite being short staffed many nights because of trades and lots of players injured/sick/absent. He hasn't lost the room and clearly, most players love playing for Cameron.

I think the problem is that he's too stubborn. I think it's too tough to fall out of favor or get out of his dog house. Cameron is too set in his ways. At least that's my interpretation of what I'm hearing and reading. But again, we're not in the room and we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

I agree Amidovski should have a bigger role because he's clearly a gifted player who showed some promise when given a chance but I'm not gonna judge the player or coach because I simply don't know how exactly it all went down.

I agree that there are too many players wanting out though in recent past and if the front office thinks that all of this is Cameron's fault then they have to consider their options. If they fire Cameron they better have a plan in the back pocket though because Cameron is a pretty good coach.

Consider that this will be 2 years in a row that Boyd has screwed up with the first round pick. HB took one look and said no thanks. Amidovski comes and tries his best and watches the coach play the same 9 guys even though the team has only 11 forwards. He gets 1 shift a game. He then looks around the league and sees that other guys are getting a better deal. I amsure that promises were made y Boyd and that one of the promises was not we will play your son 1 shift a game in games that mean nothing.

I may be old school but the idea in the first part of the season to give players good ice time to develop then at the xmas break sit down with the parents and go over everything always seemed the best to me.

Amidovski deserves a trade. as I said last year I thought whitehead deserved a trade.

Looking at the players that wanted out or want out there is a problem. The only constant is Cameron. You can not play just 3 lines every game before they get worn out. You need to give kids the time to learn and get accustomed. Imagine if we had a better player than Brady on defense how much ice time would Esh get.

I am sorry but the ownership needs to take ownership and give boyd the word. I agree if Boyd is a eunich then he needs to go also. His drafting has not been very good and trades well when did he make a good one.

This is not a team that is going to win the division or be even close I do not understand why Boyd and Cameron seem to think they are.

 

[Hinterland]

Consider that this will be 2 years in a row that Boyd has screwed up with the first round pick. HB took one look and said no thanks. Amidovski comes and tries his best and watches the coach play the same 9 guys even though the team has only 11 forwards. He gets 1 shift a game. He then looks around the league and sees that other guys are getting a better deal. I amsure that promises were made y Boyd and that one of the promises was not we will play your son 1 shift a game in games that mean nothing.

I may be old school but the idea in the first part of the season to give players good ice time to develop then at the xmas break sit down with the parents and go over everything always seemed the best to me.

Amidovski deserves a trade. as I said last year I thought whitehead deserved a trade.

Looking at the players that wanted out or want out there is a problem. The only constant is Cameron. You can not play just 3 lines every game before they get worn out. You need to give kids the time to learn and get accustomed. Imagine if we had a better player than Brady on defense how much ice time would Esh get.

I am sorry but the ownership needs to take ownership and give boyd the word. I agree if Boyd is a eunich then he needs to go also. His drafting has not been very good and trades well when did he make a good one.

This is not a team that is going to win the division or be even close I do not understand why Boyd and Cameron seem to think they are.

I agree but I think that Amidovski already showed more promise than Whitehead last season. I think that Amidovski should be playing more. But again, I don't know how it all went down. There's more than one way to express frustration and depending on which one Amidovski (or his camp) chose I could also understand why Cameron didn't like it.

Either way, Boyd has to fix it. Ideally should have stepped in before it escalated. And if Cameron is the main reason why so many kids wanted out then his job has to be on the line despite the team kinda overperforming this season.

I don't think Cameron is unwilling to play rookies or other younger kids. He does play some kids, but always the same ones. I really think the problem is that he's unwilling to make major changes to his lineup or ice time distribution. It rarely ever happens. That's not necessarily a bad philopsophy but you have to be open minded enough to make changes when necessary. Cameron's too stubborn, too set in his ways. We also saw that during last playoffs when he kept on playing injured players over Whitehead and Yanni despite them playing well. By doing so he completely ruined his 4th line but didn't have the balls to go back to what was actually working previously.

 

[beastintheeast]

I agree but I think that Amidovski already showed more promise than Whitehead last season. I think that Amidovski should be playing more. But again, I don't know how it all went down. There's more than one way to express frustration and depending on which one Amidovski (or his camp) chose I could also understand why Cameron didn't like it.

Either way, Boyd has to fix it. Ideally should have stepped in before it escalated. And if Cameron is the main reason why so many kids wanted out then his job has to be on the line despite the team kinda overperforming this season.

I don't think Cameron is unwilling to play rookies or other younger kids. He does play some kids, but always the same ones. I really think the problem is that he's unwilling to make major changes to his lineup or ice time distribution. It rarely ever happens. That's not necessarily a bad philopsophy but you have to be open minded enough to make changes when necessary. Cameron's too stubborn, too set in his ways. We also saw that during last playoffs when he kept on playing injured players over Whitehead and Yanni despite them playing well. By doing so he completely ruined his 4th line but didn't have the balls to go back to what was actually working previously.

You have nailed my thoughts completley. Cameron never had a team that he had to develop.. He never had to deal with young kids. Boyd should have realized that from his time in Miss.

Last year was a complete farce not just with Cameron but Boyd also. That was not a team that was oing to compete once the others made their deals.

My big fear is that they are playing the players they are because they think they can be competitive this year. They look at Kingston and think we have a better lineup so we should be able to be on top. Instead, they should realize that this is a team that is rebuilding and needs development. Look at the forwards that he has drafted. Only 1 has really done anything, Pinelli.

To me, if possible, before the end of the year, they need to sit down with Boyd. Making changes at the end of the year with the draft in the early playoffs is not going to help this team.

If DC gets his wish, I see everyone staying and trading Amidovski for a 19-year-old rental with the team going for it again this year.

More and more I see Mav/Gilmour in Boyd and that is not a compliment

 

[Hinterland]

You have nailed my thoughts completley. Cameron never had a team that he had to develop.. He never had to deal with young kids. Boyd should have realized that from his time in Miss.

Last year was a complete farce not just with Cameron but Boyd also. That was not a team that was oing to compete once the others made their deals.

My big fear is that they are playing the players they are because they think they can be competitive this year. They look at Kingston and think we have a better lineup so we should be able to be on top. Instead, they should realize that this is a team that is rebuilding and needs development. Look at the forwards that he has drafted. Only 1 has really done anything, Pinelli.

To me, if possible, before the end of the year, they need to sit down with Boyd. Making changes at the end of the year with the draft in the early playoffs is not going to help this team.

If DC gets his wish, I see everyone staying and trading Amidovski for a 19-year-old rental with the team going for it again this year.

More and more I see Mav/Gilmour in Boyd and that is not a compliment

I don't mind the desire to wanna win games and compete. If this team proves that it can squeeze more wins out of those games they dominate then I wouldn't even be against adding for the playoffs. However, for as long as you're not a clear cut contender, which the 67's aren't this season, you can't possibly justify trading your top forward prospect for an older player. Boyd has to find a better solution for the Amidovski problem. And like I said...the performances may be very good but the results so far aren't matching that. So I'm not yet at a point where I can say that adding would make sense.