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I was having a discussion on the main boards and actually came across a very neat little stat. Now it's not the largest sample size, but still worth noting. Leafs records when missing one of the "core" players


Leafs without Matthews - 31-16-2 (114 point pace)

Leafs without Nylander - 46-39-12 (88 point pace)

Leafs without Tavares - 7-2-2 (119 point pace)

Leafs without Rielly - 36-18-7 (106 point pace)

Leafs without Marner - 11-12-4 (79 point pace)

Our overall record over the last 5 years - 211-106-39 (106 point pace per 82 games played)


When we are missing Matthews/Tavares/Rielly, we are still pacing 100+ points and actually pacing higher without one of the top 2 Centers. Without Marner/Nylander however, the point totals take a massive hit. Obviously I don't think we are better without Matthews or Tavares in the lineup, but the impact our elite RW are having on team success vs the other core players is very interesting, especially Marner.


We all know how important Marner is to our team. He plays all situations, PP, PK lots of 5v5 time. But I found this stat very interesting. Similarly the Oilers are on a 77 point pace without McDavid.

You can see there isn't really a drop off in production when we're missing Matthews/Tavares/Rielly, there's a massive drop in points without Marner. A noticeable drop in points without Nylander as well. Marner could be our best player, better than Matthews. Not just about stats but it's not a coincidence that whichever C he's paired with, just goes absolutely nuts with goals. Tavares had a career best 47 with Marner and obviously Matthews hit 60 last year.

It's not a large sample size obviously, but I found this pretty crazy to look at. I never would've guessed our point pace would be that low without him. People have been debating Matthews/Marner, the stats seem to suggest Marner is more important to our team success than Matthews.
 
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AvroArrow said:
I was having a discussion on the main boards and actually came across a very neat little stat. Now it's not the largest sample size, but still worth noting. Leafs records when missing one of the "core" players


Leafs without Matthews - 31-16-2 (114 point pace)

Leafs without Nylander - 46-39-12 (88 point pace)

Leafs without Tavares - 7-2-2 (119 point pace)

Leafs without Rielly - 36-18-7 (106 point pace)

Leafs without Marner - 11-12-4 (79 point pace)

Our overall record over the last 5 years - 211-106-39 (106 point pace per 82 games played)


When we are missing Matthews/Tavares/Rielly, we are still pacing 100+ points and actually pacing higher without one of the top 2 Centers. Without Marner/Nylander however, the point totals take a massive hit. Obviously I don't think we are better without Matthews or Tavares in the lineup, but the impact our elite RW are having on team success vs the other core players is very interesting, especially Marner.


We all know how important Marner is to our team. He plays all situations, PP, PK lots of 5v5 time. But I found this stat very interesting. Similarly the Oilers are on a 77 point pace without McDavid.

You can see there isn't really a drop off in production when we're missing Matthews/Tavares/Rielly, there's a massive drop in points without Marner. A noticeable drop in points without Nylander as well. Marner could be our best player, better than Matthews. Not just about stats but it's not a coincidence that whichever C he's paired with, just goes absolutely nuts with goals. Tavares had a career best 47 with Marner and obviously Matthews hit 60 last year.

It's not a large sample size obviously, but I found this pretty crazy to look at. I never would've guessed our point pace would be that low without him. People have been debating Matthews/Marner, the stats seem to suggest Marner is more important to our team success than Matthews.
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Those stats never usually say much, I remember the Wings having an insanely good record without Datsyuk in the lineup.

But saying this is absolutely not mean to take credit away from Marner, he has been the Leafs' MVP in every sense this season. No doubt our team would be a shell without him.
 
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IPS said:
Those stats never usually say much, I remember the Wings having an insanely good record without Datsyuk in the lineup.

But saying this is absolutely not mean to take credit away from Marner, he has been the Leafs' MVP in every sense this season. No doubt our team would be a shell without him.
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Yeah, I wouldnt really take the Matthews/Tavares stats that serious for example. But dropping down to just a 77 point pace without Marner is a little alarming. It is a smaller sample size, just 27 games, 1/3 of a season, but the numbers are pretty bad. I think a drop in points to around 88-90 ish could be viewed as nothing significant and just ignored. But down to a 77 point pace, that's 40 points lower than our normal pace.
 
AvroArrow said:
Yeah, I wouldnt really take the Matthews/Tavares stats that serious for example. But dropping down to just a 77 point pace without Marner is a little alarming. It is a smaller sample size, just 27 games, 1/3 of a season, but the numbers are pretty bad. I think a drop in points to around 88-90 ish could be viewed as nothing significant and just ignored. But down to a 77 point pace, that's 40 points lower than our normal pace.
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And this is why this year Marner better not disappear in POs again. We need him to be at his best if we are going to go forward.
 
thewave said:
And this is why this year Marner better not disappear in POs again. We need him to be at his best if we are going to go forward.
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I thought you were gone for good when you lost the bet and yiu told everyone you would leave for good

Anybody can look at your previous posts that you have always been critical if marner
Your hot takes like he can never succeed by trying those same passes he did in junior will never work in the nhl
Please go away again and give up the marner bashing its not a good look
 
notdoneyet said:
I thought you were gone for good when you lost the bet and yiu told everyone you would leave for good

Anybody can look at your previous posts that you have always been critical if marner
Your hot takes like he can never succeed by trying those same passes he did in junior will never work in the nhl
Please go away again and give up the marner bashing its not a good look
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I never said that he would never succeed.
I know he is talented but I said he was overpaid
He has not been very good in the POs in general. A lot of giveaways and disappears vs PO adversity.
He is sub point per game in the POs.
For the money he is paid he should be carrying the team in the POs.

A game winning goal or two may be a good look for him in the PO.
 
thewave said:
I never said that he would never succeed.
I know he is talented but I said he was overpaid
He has not been very good in the POs in general. A lot of giveaways and disappears vs PO adversity.
He is sub point per game in the POs.
For the money he is paid he should be carrying the team in the POs.

A game winning goal or two may be a good look for him in the PO.
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Go back and read your posts
You have never had anything good to say about marner
Everyone has called you out on it.
You find anything to complain about him
No one player carries a team in the playoffs
If thats the case matthews nylander and tavares have all under preformed in the playoffs
You only see one player because of yiur bias
 
AvroArrow said:
Yeah, I wouldnt really take the Matthews/Tavares stats that serious for example. But dropping down to just a 77 point pace without Marner is a little alarming. It is a smaller sample size, just 27 games, 1/3 of a season, but the numbers are pretty bad. I think a drop in points to around 88-90 ish could be viewed as nothing significant and just ignored. But down to a 77 point pace, that's 40 points lower than our normal pace.
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Regarding sample size, well it is a much larger size than any playoff series, and we know how much gospel truth is put into a series result.
 
DarkKnight said:
I was amazed how much jump Mitch still had at the end of the game, his conditioning is something else. He works hard on the PK too, those aren’t easy minutes.

Keefe needs a head check though, he’s playing with fire.
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Babs managed their minutes. With Mitch chasing 100 points, I doubt we see Mitch under 20 minutes until he achieves it or worse does not.
 
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ToneDog said:
Babs managed their minutes. With Mitch chasing 100 points, I doubt we see Mitch under 20 minutes until he achieves it or worse does not.
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You really think Mitch/Keefe care more about chasing 100 points than getting ready for the playoffs?

Whatever the reason, Keefe needs to start managing the minutes of all our top players and with less than a month left in the season, he need to start now.
 
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The more I digest this, the more worried I get. I tend to give Keefe the benefit of the doubt, especially since I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of but if he keeps playing the crap out of Marner and he runs out of gas in the playoffs, I just might lose my mind.

29+ minutes with less than a month to go to the playoffs, I have a hard time trying to think how this isn't a really bad idea. Maybe based on his experience, Keefe thinks the playoffs only last 7 games, tops?
 
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thewave said:
It's a stupid record to be chasing (Keefe) leading into the PO. What does he want to get him injured? I swear Keefe is a full blown moro....
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I agree 100%

DarkKnight said:
I was amazed how much jump Mitch still had at the end of the game, his conditioning is something else. He works hard on the PK too, those aren’t easy minutes.

Keefe needs a head check though, he’s playing with fire.
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Marner should negotiate time and a half next contract
 
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Gary Nylund said:
The more I digest this, the more worried I get. I tend to give Keefe the benefit of the doubt, especially since I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of but if he keeps playing the crap out of Marner and he runs out of gas in the playoffs, I just might lose my mind.

29+ minutes with less than a month to go to the playoffs, I have a hard time trying to think how this isn't a really bad idea. Maybe based on his experience, Keefe thinks the playoffs only last 7 games, tops?
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Like I have said previously Keefe over plays Marner always has. He plays tough minutes as well against teams best players.
 
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diceman934 said:
Like I have said previously Keefe over plays Marner always has. He plays tough minutes as well against teams best players.
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So you think he's playing Marner too much at this time and should be resting him more as the playoffs get closer?
 
AvroArrow said:
Yeah, I wouldnt really take the Matthews/Tavares stats that serious for example. But dropping down to just a 77 point pace without Marner is a little alarming. It is a smaller sample size, just 27 games, 1/3 of a season, but the numbers are pretty bad. I think a drop in points to around 88-90 ish could be viewed as nothing significant and just ignored. But down to a 77 point pace, that's 40 points lower than our normal pace.
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This includes the get babcock fired games in 19-20

We went i thunk 1-5 or something jn those ganes without marner
 
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