Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[studebaker17]

Exactly !!!!

Case in point .. . The Leafs won the 1967 Cup and my favourite player Davey Keon won the Conn Smythe as playoff MVP, shortly after George Armstrong shot the puck into an empty net to secure the Cup, and that is my most memorable moment as a Leafs fan that happened 56 years ago.

Not until Lanny McDonald scored in OT in the playoffs in game #7 to eliminate the NYI in 1978 did I have another long-lasting appreciation moment for a Leaf player.

Lanny McDonald had scored some timely goals over his 16-year career. One of his timeliest came on April 29th, 1978, when he buried an overtime winner to eliminate the New York Islanders from the playoffs. He finished that 1977-78 campaign having scored a then career-high 47 goals adding 40 more assists.



I don't remember a single one of those 47 goals Lanny scored in the regular season in 1977-78, but I remember his playoff winning goal like it was yesterday and not 45 years ago.. It was most memorable also because it was the 1st time the Leafs had won a playoff series in 9 years since 1967, so the appreciation for Leafs advancing is instilled in my memory long-term and everlasting, which is likely true for many Leaf fans around to see that.

With the Leafs not having won a playoff round since 2004 in 19 years and starving for playoff success, then if Marner scores a beauty of goal like last night in the playoffs helping Leafs advance then it will go down with Lanny and Dougie in fan appreciation from me and everyone else and talked about decades later as a long lasting memorable moment..

Same for me . Virtually every goal i have in my memory is a playoff goal . Big hits and fights i tend to remember regular season ones to . I remember great inividual seasons like Dougy / clarke and Andreychuk in 93, Cujo around the millenium , Belfours, Couple of Sundins ect but can't remember hardly 1 single play in regular season aside from a couple Sundin overtime goals. It's more because the big moments we are more emotionaly involved and important . Like Borschevsky scoring to eliminate the dead things game 7 in 93 . Couldn't tell you another thing he ever did but i sure remember that goal.

 

[DarkKnight]

Top ten in the league 103 point pace, leads the league in takeaways, one of the best PKers in the league, a legit Selke candidate, one of the best seasons we’ve seen.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

He really is the closest thing to a modern version of Datsyuk. All kinds of skill and creativity offensively, but arguably even better defensively. He either has the puck or is about it get it back

 

[Le Magnifique]

Marner is easily one of the best players in the NHL right now. I'd put him directly under McDavid.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Same for me . Virtually every goal i have in my memory is a playoff goal . Big hits and fights i tend to remember regular season ones to . I remember great inividual seasons like Dougy / clarke and Andreychuk in 93, Cujo around the millenium , Belfours, Couple of Sundins ect but can't remember hardly 1 single play in regular season aside from a couple Sundin overtime goals. It's more because the big moments we are more emotionaly involved and important . Like Borschevsky scoring to eliminate the dead things game 7 in 93 . Couldn't tell you another thing he ever did but i sure remember that goal.

LOL Dead things.

The goals I remember the best are Lanny in 78, Borschevsky in 93 and also Gilmour in 93 that i mentioned earlier. That one didn't win a series but it did win a game and it was just so darn pretty and I'll probably remember those goals forever. I do sort of remember a few regular season goals like one of the goals Matthews scored in his 1st game after a takeaway, I even remember Lupul going coast to coast but those memories are vague compared to the important playoff goals. Important is the key word because playoff success trumps everything else by miles so any individual moment will shine a thousand times brighter if it's intertwined with team playoff success.

 

[Notsince67]

In quantifiable terms Marner is tied for 5th in points by a Winger this season.

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"Best" is subjective and so what makes Marner better than say Matthew Tkachuk or Tage Thompson and David Pastrnak (on +50 goal paces), while Pasta is leading Bruins to a President's trophy and perhaps an all-time best season..

Doesn't mean Marner isn't great as he is currently 8th in NHL scoring, and can't be appreciated, but why is he necessarily better than players with more goals and more points that also play his position?

There are a number of things that measure output.
I'll say straight away that Marner is better both offensively and defensively than Kucherov this year. There is data to back it and 8 points of separation is a bit of a joke to close the books on the evaluation

 

[keonsbitterness]

It was most memorable also because it was the 1st time the Leafs had won a playoff series in 9 years since 1967

They won a playoff series in each of 1975, 76, 77 and 78 prior to beating the Islanders.

 

[Hellcat]

Man Marner is a joy to watch, when he is on his game, it's hard to find another more complete player. Keefe should be buying Marner the biggest steak at the most expensive restaurant in Toronto. Marner saved Keefs bacon.

 

[rielledup]

Marner must be benefiting a lot from the players he plays with because we all know he can't create his own offense or drive his own line.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Man Marner is a joy to watch, when he is on his game, it's hard to find another more complete player. Keefe should be buying Marner the biggest steak at the most expensive restaurant in Toronto. Marner saved Keefs bacon.

How do you figure that? Playoff haven't begun yet and if we don't have some success again this time around, I'm not so sure I like Keefe's chances of being our coach next season.

 

[Hellcat]

How do you figure that? Playoff haven't begun yet and if we don't have some success again this time around, I'm not so sure I like Keefe's chances of being our coach next season.

I meant saved it for last nights game.

 

[fahad203]

Top ten in the league 103 point pace, leads the league in takeaways, one of the best PKers in the league, a legit Selke candidate, one of the best seasons we’ve seen.

I will again send more flowers to Arizona franchise or maybe a visa gift card for 100 bucks since they need money

Thank you for selecting Strome

I remember everyone not a leafs fan was saying at best Marner will be Sam Gagne

 

[Niagara Bill]

Exactly !!!!

Case in point .. . The Leafs won the 1967 Cup and my favourite player Davey Keon won the Conn Smythe as playoff MVP, shortly after George Armstrong shot the puck into an empty net to secure the Cup, and that is my most memorable moment as a Leafs fan that happened 56 years ago.

Not until Lanny McDonald scored in OT in the playoffs in game #7 to eliminate the NYI in 1978 did I have another long-lasting appreciation moment for a Leaf player.

Lanny McDonald had scored some timely goals over his 16-year career. One of his timeliest came on April 29th, 1978, when he buried an overtime winner to eliminate the New York Islanders from the playoffs. He finished that 1977-78 campaign having scored a then career-high 47 goals adding 40 more assists.



I don't remember a single one of those 47 goals Lanny scored in the regular season in 1977-78, but I remember his playoff series winning goal like it was yesterday and not 45 years ago.. It was most memorable also because it was the 1st time the Leafs had won a playoff series in 9 years since 1967, so the appreciation for Leafs advancing is instilled in my memory long-term and everlasting, which is likely true for many Leaf fans around to see that.

With the Leafs not having won a playoff round since 2004 in 19 years and starving for playoff success, then if Marner scores a beauty of goal like last night in the playoffs helping Leafs advance then it will go down with Lanny and Dougie in fan appreciation from me and everyone else and talked about decades later as a long lasting memorable moment..

1967....magical
Armstrong chipping the puck off the right boards, he could get the puck out of the Leaf zone 100% of the time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I meant saved it for last nights game.

I didn't realize his bacon needed to be saved last night but OK.

 

[Yall are crazy]

Id say marner has been the 6th best player in the league this year

1. Mcdavid
2. Kuch
3. Mack
4. EK
5. Drai
6. Marner

Kuch has been better than marner this year? In terms of what? More goals? And same for mackinnon and ik you didn't say Evander kane has been better than career high marner who just had a career high last year too. I swear, most fans are just names on the back rather than seeing what the person actually does and contributes

In quantifiable terms Marner is tied for 5th in points by a Winger this season.

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"Best" is subjective and so what makes Marner better than say Matthew Tkachuk or Tage Thompson and David Pastrnak (on +50 goal paces), while Pasta is leading Bruins to a President's trophy and perhaps an all-time best season..

Doesn't mean Marner isn't great as he is currently 8th in NHL scoring, and can't be appreciated, but why is he necessarily better than players with more goals and more points that also play his position?

Cause all they have is goals while marner has literally everything else on them. Being a master at 8 things is better than someone being one of the best in the world at 1 thing. That's an objective thing. Best means best. Not great at one thing

 

[hamzarocks]

Kuch has been better than marner this year? In terms of what? More goals? And same for mackinnon and ik you didn't say Evander kane has been better than career high marner who just had a career high last year too. I swear, most fans are just names on the back rather than seeing what the person actually does and contributes


Cause all they have is goals while marner has literally everything else on them. Being a master at 8 things is better than someone being one of the best in the world at 1 thing. That's an objective thing. Best means best. Not great at one thing

EK is Erik karlsson

 

[Gary Nylund]

There are a number of things that measure output.
I'll say straight away that Marner is better both offensively and defensively than Kucherov this year. There is data to back it and 8 points of separation is a bit of a joke to close the books on the evaluation

What data are you using?

 

[Gilmour1996]

Here's a Sportsnet article from 2019 that hasn't aged well, comparing Timo Meier with Mitch. I wonder if Andrew Berkshire would like to go back and change it, given Marner's career thus far:


Berkshire: Sharks’ Meier ‘significantly more productive’ than Marner


Meier Stats
Marner Stats

 

[Le Magnifique]

Keefe should consider putting Marner on the top line with Lafferty and Kerfoot.
Marner's proven he can drive a line; Along with Matthews; Tavaras / Nylander lines.
Ultimately, having 3 sure fire lines.

 

[Notsince67]

Here's a Sportsnet article from 2019 that hasn't aged well, comparing Timo Meier with Mitch. I wonder if Andrew Berkshire would like to go back and change it, given Marner's career thus far:


Berkshire: Sharks’ Meier ‘significantly more productive’ than Marner


Meier Stats
Marner Stats

There is a member of this forum that loves to bring this up despite a debunking of Berkshires definition of HD passes. The Marner haters still exist here...forget about Berkshire who is a Habs fan.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Here's a Sportsnet article from 2019 that hasn't aged well, comparing Timo Meier with Mitch. I wonder if Andrew Berkshire would like to go back and change it, given Marner's career thus far:

Berkshire: Sharks’ Meier ‘significantly more productive’ than Marner

Meier Stats
Marner Stats

I checked out the line and didn't see an article, just a vid. I usually don't watch vids, I made an exception and yikes, there's 2 minutes of my life completely wasted and gone forever and only confirms why I don't watch sports media.

All this guy says is that goals > assists and while there's probably some truth to that, this hardly passes for analysis.

 

[Zybalto]

There are a number of things that measure output.
I'll say straight away that Marner is better both offensively and defensively than Kucherov this year. There is data to back it and 8 points of separation is a bit of a joke to close the books on the evaluation

Marner vs. Kucherov:


5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.78
Kucherov: 0.66

Points/60:
Marner: 2.74
Kucherov: 2.51

(Marner leads the NHL in 5v5 primary assists/60)

Goal Differential:
Marner: 61.19
Kucherov: 55.10

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.11 (Leads the NHL)
Kucherov: 2.39


On the PP:

Goals/60:
Marner: 1.77
Kucherov: 1.75

Points/60:
Marner: 8.09
Kucherov: 8.95


On the PK:
Marner: Excellent penalty killer.
Kucherov: Does not PK.


All depends how much stock you want to put into Kucherov's slight advantage in overall PP point production vs. Marner being better at pretty much everything else.

 

[VanW27]

Marner got off to a bit of a rough start offensively, even 10/15 games into his point streak he wasn't clicking. Points were coming but lots of second assists and not the usual play driving Marner and ES and primary point machine we're used. Defensive play was still excellent though.

Overall the Primary Points and ES points numbers are down a bit. But he's been terrific, I think the 'drop' has more to do with Matthews' than Marner.

 

[Notsince67]

Marner vs. Kucherov:


5v5:

Goals/60:
Marner: 0.78
Kucherov: 0.66

Points/60:
Marner: 2.74
Kucherov: 2.51

(Marner leads the NHL in 5v5 primary assists/60)

Goal Differential:
Marner: 61.19
Kucherov: 55.10

Takeaways/60:
Marner: 4.11 (Leads the NHL)
Kucherov: 2.39


On the PP:

Goals/60:
Marner: 1.77
Kucherov: 1.75

Points/60:
Marner: 8.09
Kucherov: 8.95


On the PK:
Marner: Excellent penalty killer.
Kucherov: Does not PK.


All depends how much stock you want to put into Kucherov's slight advantage in overall PP point production vs. Marner being better at pretty much everything else.

Goals above replacement

 

[Zybalto]

Goals above replacement
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Yup, Theres a reason why he's won best RW in the league 2 years in a row and is up there to win it again. 2 way beast. Also interesting that the main negative is that he doesnt draw as many penalties as he should, That damn Leafs bias from the NHL again.