Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[1specter]

Some people don't value the whole game of a player, they look at points and put their blinders on.

This says it all about the mentality of the franchise and fans.

 

[Notsince67]

This says it all about the mentality of the franchise and fans.

That team is going to get a good old fashioned Toronto welcome on mar 11

 

[Drytoast]

Not true at all. You don't seem to realize the actual market value of the impact they provide. Matthews, Marner, and Nylander impacts all far surpass their cap hits.
Tavares' impact is right around what he's paid.

Other players paid less at each position impact more.

Try again

 

[Dekes For Days]

Other players paid less at each position impact more.

Very very few in the league impact more than Matthews and Marner.
You seem to have the mistaken belief that pointing to somebody else performing well at a lower cap hit (that they got because they weren't as good when they signed it) somehow means that our players aren't earning or surpassing their cap hits. That's not how this works.

 

[MAB1]

Currently his numbers are better than marners. It's that simple. I don't give a shit about intangibles. He's out pacing Marner on a much shittier team. I don't watch buffalo enough to see how they are using him and when but right now Marner isn't even the best rw in the league but is paid the most.

He is earning his cost. He is not exceeding it.

Abused fan base such as we are we are not used to our superstars actually earning their wages...that's the real travesty here

This says it all about the mentality of the franchise and fans.

Oilers bragging about piling up points with run and gun hockey with no semblance of defensive attention. It's okay they can fire their coach and bring in yet another goalie only to act shocked when their problems don't change.

Oilers have been bad for so long that individual point totals > how the team plays overall.

 

[Drytoast]

Very very few in the league impact more than Matthews and Marner.
You seem to have the mistaken belief that pointing to somebody else performing well at a lower cap hit (that they got because they weren't as good when they signed it) somehow means that our players aren't earning or surpassing their cap hits. That's not how this works.

If you are paid the most. You better be the best.

Oilers bragging about piling up points with run and gun hockey with no semblance of defensive attention. It's okay they can fire their coach and bring in yet another goalie only to act shocked when their problems don't change.

Oilers have been bad for so long that individual point totals > how the team plays overall.

Ya...their defense is garbo. I get it. HOWEVER. They've made it past the first round more than once under the McDavid era. We cannot talk.

 

[MAB1]

If you are paid the most. You better be the best.


Ya...their defense is garbo. I get it. HOWEVER. They've made it past the first round more than once under the McDavid era. We cannot talk.

Speak for yourself.

And they've missed the playoffs more than they've made it in the McDavid era.

 

[Drytoast]

Speak for yourself.

And they've missed the playoffs more than they've made it in the McDavid era.

Sure? Do I want to be Edmonton? No. We are now in some wierd meta here. Marner isn't "exceeding" expectations. Based on his contracts value...he is just hitting it. And that's a great thing to have happen for once.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If you are paid the most. You better be the best.

In a league with guaranteed term contracts, different positional pay scales, age curves, a changing cap, changing players, etc., it's not as simplistic as X highest paid = X best player.
And best player is also not just copy and pasting the point leaderboard less than half of the way into a season.
What's important is that our players are earning their cap hits, and our big 4 (and quite frankly, most of our team) have, and then some.

 

[Drytoast]

In a league with guaranteed term contracts, different positional pay scales, age curves, a changing cap, changing players, etc., it's not as simplistic as X highest paid = X best player.
And best player is also not just copy and pasting the point leaderboard less than half of the way into a season.
What's important is that our players are earning their cap hits, and our big 4 (and quite frankly, most of our team) have, and then some.

Sounds to me like you are trying to bend reality to make that claim. But the stats and success do not equal that reality.

When you demand such a heavy ask, I demand such a heavy result.

 

[ToneDog]

Sounds to me like you are trying to bend reality to make that claim. But the stats and success do not equal that reality.

When you demand such a heavy ask, I demand such a heavy result.

You think with the team 15-0-5 in their last 20, there would be no need to bend reality. LOL.

 

[Drytoast]

You think with the team 15-0-5 in their last 20, there would be no need to bend reality. LOL.

Matthews and Marner didn't sign their contracts 20 games ago. And Matthews hasn't been crushing it so far this season. His two way play is "ok" I feel like it was better last year then it is this year...but there is plenty of season left. Certainly his production is down as well as his F/O percentage, shooting percentage and +/-...

But he's injured right?! RIGHT?!

 

[Dekes For Days]

Sounds to me like you are trying to bend reality to make that claim.

Nope. It's just the facts. We've been getting more than 40.5m of value out of our big 4, and a ton of surplus value out of Marner specifically.
Elite 5v5 producer (actually #1 in the league in 5v5 P/60 over the length of his contract, just ahead of McDavid). Elite PP producer. Elite 5v5 defender. Elite PK defender and scoring threat.
Not sure why this would be a surprise to anybody.

 

[MAB1]

Sure? Do I want to be Edmonton? No. We are now in some wierd meta here. Marner isn't "exceeding" expectations. Based on his contracts value...he is just hitting it. And that's a great thing to have happen for once.

When did I state otherwise?

 

[Drytoast]

Nope. It's just the facts. We've been getting more than 40.5m of value out of our big 4, and a ton of surplus value out of Marner specifically.
Elite 5v5 producer (actually #1 in the league in 5v5 P/60 over the length of his contract). Elite PP producer. Elite 5v5 defender. Elite PK defender.
Not sure why this would be a surprise to anybody.

big BIG eye roll...lol. As I suspected you are using some warped reality to determine value. Marner is MEETING expectations. Matthews is performing UNDER expectations. 5v5 play? I'm not comparing all 5 players or determining Marner's impact on 5v5. I am looking at his individual stats and play and comparing them to other individual stats and play.

How's the big 4's 5v5 play in games that matter?

 

[ToneDog]

Matthews and Marner didn't sign their contracts 20 games ago. And Matthews hasn't been crushing it so far this season. His two way play is "ok" I feel like it was better last year then it is this year...but there is plenty of season left. Certainly his production is down as well as his F/O percentage, shooting percentage and +/-...

But he's injured right?! RIGHT?!

Yup so let's give him $15m or better yet a blank cheque.

 

[Dekes For Days]

As I suspected you are using some warped reality to determine value. Marner is MEETING expectations. Matthews is performing UNDER expectations. 5v5 play? I'm not comparing all 5 players or determining Marner's impact on 5v5. I am looking at his individual stats and play and comparing them to other individual stats and play.

No, I'm looking at value accurately. All you seem to be doing is looking exclusively at their point rank less than halfway through one season, and drawing incorrect conclusions.

The fact is that both Matthews and Marner have provided significant surplus value throughout their contracts, and continue to do so. The actual value and impact they bring to the team far surpasses both of their cap hits.

 

[Yall are crazy]

Honestly think Marner could be a center at the NHL level if he wanted to be. Reminds me so much of prime Giroux/Datsyuk.

He was drafted as a center when

Honestly think Marner could be a center at the NHL level if he wanted to be. Reminds me so much of prime Giroux/Datsyuk.

He was drafted as one when he came in but they put him as winger. So now he's just known as a rw with center like playstyle

 

[Drytoast]

Yup so let's give him $15m or better yet a blank cheque.

Oh he's gonna get something RIDICULOUS. I've come to terms with that.

 

[WillyC]

Am I serious seeing people posting that Tage Thompson is better than Mitch Marner… here in Mitchy’s appreciation thread?

lol

 

[ACC1224]

Am I serious seeing people posting that Tage Thompson is better than Mitch Marner… here in Mitchy’s appreciation thread?

lol

Yep, it's a free for all, check your brains at the door.

 

[Drytoast]

Am I serious seeing people posting that Tage Thompson is better than Mitch Marner… here in Mitchy’s appreciation thread?

lol

Yes I dared to suggest that he is simply meeting the expectations of the value of his contract. Which is a great thing.

Then I was asked to defend that hot take. Welcome to forums!

 

[Gabriel426]

Am I serious seeing people posting that Tage Thompson is better than Mitch Marner… here in Mitchy’s appreciation thread?

lol

I can see the argument of Kuch, Pasta, and maybe Rantanen, Robertson and Hubie but Tage is a huge stretch.

 

[ToneDog]

Oh he's gonna get something RIDICULOUS. I've come to terms with that.

McDavid is the best player in the game. IMO nobody should be given a higher % of the cap. Be happy to give Matty McDavid's percentage of the cap for 8 years with all the signing perks the Leafs give their stars.

 

[Drytoast]

McDavid is the best player in the game. IMO nobody should be given a higher % of the cap. Be happy to give Matty McDavid's percentage of the cap for 8 years with all the signing perks the Leafs give their stars.

Not only do I expect Matthews to get as high or higher percentage, I'd wager he signs for a super short term. 3-5 years at best. He will set the trend of short term, high value basket ball style contracts...

That's my guess.