Tribute Marner Appreciation Thread

[Gallagbi]

With Bergeron now retired Marner becomes one of the Selke front runners.

It'll be interesting i cant remember the last time a winger or non-shutdown player won, and Marner isnt either of those

 

[Notsince67]

It'll be interesting i cant remember the last time a winger or non-shutdown player won, and Marner isnt either of those

Selke was originally created for a winger.
It will one day be owned by a winger again.

 

[Gallagbi]

Selke was originally created for a winger.
It will one day be owned by a winger again.

Im sure it will, i think the NHL is going in a different direction to overall defensive play rather than outright "shutdown", but it still feels like a long time since either let alone both were true

 

[ITM]

Congrats to mitch and steph for getting the band back together that's 7 years all together.

That's awesome. I see Freddie and Hyman and Matthews', but...

...Where's Babcock?

(Had to.)

 

[notDatsyuk]

But will he fail to score when it really matters?

 

[Arzak]

But will he fail to score when it really matters?

He'll secondary assist in October and that's all that matters.

 

[Voodoo Child]

It'll be interesting i cant remember the last time a winger or non-shutdown player won, and Marner isnt either of those

Lehtinen I think - pushing up on twenty years.

 

[ACC1224]

Mitch Marner (F) (26)– Often the scapegoat when Toronto struggles, Marner rarely gets enough credit for his elite offensive contributions. Over the past five years, he's amassed 424 points in 348 games, which places him fifth in league scoring during that span. Given how he's been treated by the tough market in Toronto, it's plausible he seeks a change of scenery when his current deal expires in two years. Although he doesn't have the lengthy contract term you typically want to see from a 'core player', term doesn't really define Toronto's core right now. The Leafs currently have just four players on contract past the 24-25 campaign (when Marner's deal expires): David Kampf, Calle Jarnkrok, Ryan Reaves and Morgan Rielly. With the exception of Rielly, those guys have done enough to be considered part of the team's core.

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[Notsince67]

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I'm seeing a 120 point season...possibly a selke.
Looking forward to next summers contract discussion of how Marner is not 121 point player

 

[Boxscore]

I'm seeing a 120 point season...possibly a selke.
Looking forward to next summers contract discussion of how Marner is not 121 point player

There's no chance Marner scores 120 and wins a Selke next season. I'd be happy with 96 points and a Top-5 finish.

 

[Arzak]

There's no chance Marner scores 120 and wins a Selke next season. I'd be happy with 96 points and a Top-5 finish.

I'm sure about Selke votes from media, but I'll guess 85 points.

120

In that universe he would be comparable to Kucherov.

 

[Antropovsky]

There's no chance Marner scores 120 and wins a Selke next season. I'd be happy with 96 points and a Top-5 finish.

It's going to always be hard for a winger to win a selke. Playing center is just considerably more challenging. It's not a coincidence that there has been just one winger win the award since the 1990s and probably beyond that. If Marner is such a great defensive player, and playmaker than what is stopping him from excelling as a #1 center?

From the score who interviewed Mike Babcock when they wrote this article in 2014:

Playing wing has always been the easiest position on the ice from a defensive standpoint. Wingers were made responsible for the opposing D-men in their D-zone, and there wasn’t much more to it. It was man-on-man, cut and dried, simple.

While playing wing remains hockey’s easiest defensive position - both D-men and centermen still do considerably more around their goalkeeper - the role of the winger has changed significantly, becoming more involved and more complex. No longer are most teams content to let wingers stand in place and shut their brains off. Defense wins championships, so coaches are evolving with hockey to make better use of those extra warm bodies.

...Playing center and defense are still the more difficult positions, but as the game evolves, the winger is taking on a bigger chunk of the defensive burden.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'm seeing a 120 point season...possibly a selke.
Looking forward to next summers contract discussion of how Marner is not 121 point player

Another year of this prediction from you?:

2019 crappy postseason: Haha wait till next year! I can't wait to hear you all then!
2020 crappy postseason: Haha wait till next year, I can't wait to hear you all then!
2021 crappy postseason: haha wait till next year, I cant wait to hear you all then!
2022 crappy postseason: haha wait till next year, I can't wait to hear you all then!
2023 crappy postseason: haha wait till next year. I can't wait to hear you all then!
2024:

.... good new is you probably have 8-10 more years you get to make this prediction before you have look back and admit you were wrong. Maybe you will get lucky?

 

[Notsince67]

There's no chance Marner scores 120 and wins a Selke next season. I'd be happy with 96 points and a Top-5 finish.

It is not that difficult with an added shooter added to his line and the fact that the goat selke winner is retired.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It is not that difficult with an added shooter added to his line and the fact that the goat selke winner is retired.

I would say Bob Gainey was the goat, but I can see the rest (120 might be pushing it).

 

[Notsince67]

I would say Bob Gainey was the goat, but I can see the rest (120 might be pushing it).

Gainey was good but the only metric to compare eras are point share which factors in the amount of scoring that goes on in the league at the time. In that, Bergeron leads.

 

[francis246]

I'm seeing a 120 point season...possibly a selke.
Looking forward to next summers contract discussion of how Marner is not 121 point player

I think he finally cracks 100 this year. If Tavares can score 40 and Matthews 50+ I could see Marner getting in that 110 range. For me the one thing I’d like to see from Matthews and Marner is for them to end the season hot. Both notoriously go cold towards the end of the year and we’ve seen that creep in a little to the playoffs a bit. So hopefully Keefe and the new staff can find a way to keep them hot.

Guy Boucher running the power play should also help boost Matthews and Marner’s play. Boucher helped Stamkos become a power play legend. Let’s hope he can do the same for these two here. Make teams pay if they take penalties.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm seeing a 120 point season...possibly a selke.
Looking forward to next summers contract discussion of how Marner is not 121 point player

That's a pretty bold prediction considering his personal best is 99 but whatever, we'll see. For me personally, I don't care if he ends up with 120 or 74, I just want him to earn his pay in the biggest playoff games which is where his MO so far has been to fade away.

 

[Arzak]

That's a pretty bold prediction considering his personal best is 99 but whatever, we'll see. For me personally, I don't care if he ends up with 120 or 74, I just want him to earn his pay in the biggest playoff games which is where his MO so far has been to fade away.

I'll make a bold prediction, he'll fade away once again.

His contract will also age awfully. He would need bit of muscles to be effective when everyone is pushing for it, but he can't get any because his game is based on his meh speed, sacrificing even more speed for size would hurt his point totals greatly.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Gainey was good but the only metric to compare eras are point share which factors in the amount of scoring that goes on in the league at the time. In that, Bergeron leads.

There's so much that individual stats can't take into consideration, especially comparing eras. Having watched both, my eye test gives Gainey a slight edge, but I'd happily take either in their prime.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'll make a bold prediction, he'll fade away once again.

His contract will also age awfully. He would need bit of muscles to be effective when everyone is pushing for it, but he can't get any because his game is based on his meh speed, sacrificing even more speed for size would hurt his point totals greatly.

I think the bold prediction would be to predict that he does something different this time around. He's been around for quite some time now, so it's probably more likely that he continues along the same path.

There's so much that individual stats can't take into consideration, especially comparing eras. Having watched both, my eye test gives Gainey a slight edge, but I'd happily take either in their prime.

Interesting. I'd take Bergeron easily as he plays the more important position with the tougher defensive assignments and unlike Gainey, he was an offensive force. To be fair, I don't remember Gainey that well and I always thought he was overrated but then again, Tarasov once called him the perfect hockey player so what do I know.

 

[alliuk12]

Another year of this prediction from you?:

2019 crappy postseason: Haha wait till next year! I can't wait to hear you all then!
2020 crappy postseason: Haha wait till next year, I can't wait to hear you all then!
2021 crappy postseason: haha wait till next year, I cant wait to hear you all then!
2022 crappy postseason: haha wait till next year, I can't wait to hear you all then!
2023 crappy postseason: haha wait till next year. I can't wait to hear you all then!
2024:

.... good new is you probably have 8-10 more years you get to make this prediction before you have look back and admit you were wrong. Maybe you will get lucky?

So if you’re going to get rid off poor postseason ’s then Toronto is going to need a whole new team and coaches

 

[ACC1224]

His PPG this season will be closer to 1.5 than it will be to 1.0?

 

[francis246]

I'll make a bold prediction, he'll fade away once again.

His contract will also age awfully. He would need bit of muscles to be effective when everyone is pushing for it, but he can't get any because his game is based on his meh speed, sacrificing even more speed for size would hurt his point totals greatly.

His contract isn’t going to age awfully. Marner isn’t one dimensional, he kills penalties, can play all over the lineup. Regardless of what he gets and whether that’s with the leafs or another team he’s a guy that will still be useful in his 30’s because he’s so agile and can play in all situations. Marner isn’t going to be a guy that falls off by 33. He isn’t even 28 yet.

 

[francis246]

His PPG this season will be closer to 1.5 than it will be to 1.0?

I think that’s dependent on who he plays with. I think with Tavares he could probably get 1.5 PPG. I have no idea why after that first season together they moved away from Marner and Tavares as a duo. It works.