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SeaOfBlue said:
He garnered a ton of hype last year but people have to remember that there are probably a half dozen prospects just like him that come out of Russia every year, and realistically none of them make the NHL. I am sure he will become a solid KHLer at some point, but this board ranked him as our 13th best prospect when he is probably not even in the top 20.
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No doubt he is still very much a a semi long shot to make the NHL based entirely on his size. But if you are comparing his skill level to say SDA's, to me Ovchinikov has already shown a far more advanced skillset already in his D+1 season than SDA ever did. Their draw backs are the same for both players (size). But Ovchinikov has the ability to create with his speed. Something SDA does not have. The Leafs felt it was fit to give SDA an ELC out of rookie camp, so I really don't see how the Leafs would be OK letting Dmitri rot like this over in Russia.

Dmitri's skating is truly outstanding. He has breakaway speed. And at least at the MHL level has shown an ability to play at that speed. His numbers were extremely good for that level.

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His 18 year old season Pts/game were only behind Kucherov and Gusev from the players listed in this graph.

There are plenty of variables that contribute to this production so I have heard. Playing time being one of them, strength of conference/division...etc.

But we cannot look at what he did last year and be stoked at him not playing 1 shift.

We certainly have no clue if he is going to make the NHL or not, but he absolutely won't make it if he continually gets scratched in these crucial years. That's all I am saying. He is 100% in our top 20 prospects, but to me he is truly is a boom or bust player. We have to present him the best opportunity to develop. If that means prematurely bringing him to Toronto to play on the Marlies, then so be it. It would certainly be better than getting 0-4 shifts a game in the KHL. He can always go to Newfoundland as well.
 
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Robertson was insane on that shift steeves scored. He intercepted the puck, zone entry, gets nailed on the boards, but backhands a perfect pass to steeves.

SDA from hoffenmeyer shot.

Edit: Voit is struggling, but i still like what i’m seeing.
 
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Prominence said:
Robertson was insane on that shift steeves scored. He intercepted the puck, zone entry, gets nailed on the boards, but backhands a perfect pass to steeves.

SDA from hoffenmeyer shot.

I like what i’m seeing from voit even though he’s not getting a lot of touches.
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Yup, Robertson is the most noticeable player on the sheet so far. By a mile.

I guess that is to be expected. But it is really nice to see him making waves. Maybe it's the competition, or maybe it's the work he has done in the offseason, but his skating looks better to me. A lot more explosive, and he's also dug out a handful of pucks from the corners already. Looks really sharp so far to me
 
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solid period for the baby-buds. I though Ian Scott looked really good. Had a couple point blank saves where he came out and challenged the shooter really nicely. Otherwise pretty quiet at his end.

Robertson is noticeable every shift. Playing with a great intensity. He just wants every puck. His toe drag is stupid. Toe drag sniped 2 D-men that period for point blank looks at net, could have easily had a couple goals. Had easily 2 HDCF in that opening frame.

The Robertson - Steeves - Abramov line will more than likely be on the scoresheet again in this game. Clearly too much for CBJ to handle
 
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Voit is struggling, but i still like what i’m seeing.
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Ya Voit truly looks like a boy playing against men. Just a little too passive. Which is what I was expecting to a degree, just not this much TBH. Almost looks a bit scared out there IMO.

This is really good experience for him though
 
Twine Tickler said:
No doubt he is still very much a a semi long shot to make the NHL based entirely on his size. But if you are comparing his skill level to say SDA's, to me Ovchinikov has already shown a far more advanced skillset already in his D+1 season than SDA ever did. Their draw backs are the same for both players (size). But Ovchinikov has the ability to create with his speed. Something SDA does not have. The Leafs felt it was fit to give SDA an ELC out of rookie camp, so I really don't see how the Leafs would be OK letting Dmitri rot like this over in Russia.

Dmitri's skating is truly outstanding. He has breakaway speed. And at least at the MHL level has shown an ability to play at that speed. His numbers were extremely good for that level.

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His 18 year old season Pts/game were only behind Kucherov and Gusev from the players listed in this graph.

There are plenty of variables that contribute to this production so I have heard. Playing time being one of them, strength of conference/division...etc.

But we cannot look at what he did last year and be stoked at him not playing 1 shift.

We certainly have no clue if he is going to make the NHL or not, but he absolutely won't make it if he continually gets scratched in these crucial years. That's all I am saying. He is 100% in our top 20 prospects, but to me he is truly is a boom or bust player. We have to present him the best opportunity to develop. If that means prematurely bringing him to Toronto to play on the Marlies, then so be it. It would certainly be better than getting 0-4 shifts a game in the KHL. He can always go to Newfoundland as well.
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It is tough to just look at PPG production in the MHL. Playing in Western Conference with all of the Moskow and St. Petersburg teams, plus Yaroslavl, etc. is a lot harder for points to come by than the Eastern Conference which has a few solid programs but nothing that really rivals the West.

Only Gurianov and Mikheyev played in the East out of that list, and Mikheyev is a Russian anomaly in more way than one. Also keep in mind that Ovchinnikov is a pure offensive player at this point while Mikheyev has a ton of defensive value (and certainly more than offensive value). Gurianov is a fair bit bigger and still has a lot of the skill and speed than Ovchinnikov possesses.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
It is tough to just look at PPG production in the MHL. Playing in Western Conference with all of the Moskow and St. Petersburg teams, plus Yaroslavl, etc. is a lot harder for points to come by than the Eastern Conference which has a few solid programs but nothing that really rivals the West.

Only Gurianov and Mikheyev played in the East out of that list, and Mikheyev is a Russian anomaly in more way than one. Also keep in mind that Ovchinnikov is a pure offensive player at this point while Mikheyev has a ton of defensive value (and certainly more than offensive value). Gurianov is a fair bit bigger and still has a lot of the skill and speed than Ovchinnikov possesses.
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Ya for sure you can't look too deep into point production in Russia in general TBH. Chebykin's highest goal total in Russia prior to this season was 9 goals in 32 VHL games. Goes to Dynamo Moscow this year and has 6G in 6GP. I understand nothing about Russia's wild wild west approach to hockey TBH. No offence to any Russian on here, just seems completely bizarre in the best of circumstances. I mean Chebykin's game today between Dynamo and Sibir had 15 minor penalties in it for f*** sakes lol. Just completely odd IMO.

Nonetheless, Ovchinikov has legitimate talent. He can absolutely wheel. That's not something you can teach. His pt production may not need to be looked too deep into, but the eye test clearly shows talent. He needs to play. Don't really care where TBH. He just can't sit. It is good for no one
 
Robertson normally snipes that easy, can tell it's veeery early. Still tho his hands and patience is nice to see, skillwise I have no doubt he could hang on one of our top 2 lines this year already, moreso than a lot of other similar Marlie graduates like Johnsson or Kappy who didn't really put up any impressive numbers
 
supermann_98 said:
Robertson normally snipes that easy, can tell it's veeery early. Still tho his hands and patience is nice to see, skillwise I have no doubt he could hang on one of our top 2 lines this year already, moreso than a lot of other similar Marlie graduates like Johnsson or Kappy who didn't really put up any impressive numbers
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Kapanen put up really impressive D+3 in the AHL. Was ~ppg think he had 43 in 43 or so. Robertson is in his d!3 this year. If in the AHL he should put around ppg as well

Kapanen was slowly cooked. He was NHL ready by 2017 end but we played him down the lineup in 2018 I a 4th line role for most of the year
 
tough 2nd and 3rd period for the Leafs. Deserved to lose TBH. They left Scott out to dry a lot that game. Almost instantly after Steeves left the game the Leafs had next to nothing. Hopefully All is well for him. He was having a really strong camp.

Positives:
-Robertson was electric early on. Once Steeves left with an injury (apparently), his line was neutralized
-Thought Scott actually played quite well. The Leafs were absolutely brutal from the 2nd period onward. He was the only reason they were in it TBH. Made a handful of big saves. 2 of the goals came on odd man rushes, and 2 from cross crease passes for tap-ins. All n All, I saw a lot of good things from him personally.
-Gogolev to me see's the game in slo-mo IMO. Waits for the play to come to him vs. making the play himself. He can almost look like he is not trying out there at times, but then the puck inevitably just squirts his way. He isn't afraid to work along the walls either and showed a lot of touch in tight spaces. He has good vision, and just seems to make plays IMO. I want to see what he can do in a full AHL season, but I honestly think this guy has NHL talent.

Indifferent:
-Abramov, you can see the skill no doubt. Was engaged in the play, just didn't seem to have any pucks bounce his way for whatever reason

Negatives:
-Voit, he was rag-dolled more than a handful of times in this game. Visually undersized, and appeared to be very tentative in his play. It was his first competitive game in a very long time, so I am going to give him a pass.
-SDA. Made a lot of dumb plays out there IMO. Lots of turnovers. You can see the talent, but he just seems to try to do too much sometimes.
-Defense in general was terrible lol. There must have been like 5 odd man rushes that started from a bad pinch.
 
Gogolev gives me Toffoli vibes.

-Great shot
-bigger body
-high skill
-strong on the puck
-doesn't overwhelm you with speed, but can win a foot race here and there when the opportunity presents itself
-can dangle in tight spaces
 
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Twine Tickler said:
Gogolev gives me Toffoli vibes.

-Great shot
-bigger body
-high skill
-strong on the puck
-doesn't overwhelm you with speed, but can win a foot race here and there when the opportunity presents itself
-can dangle in tight spaces
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6'1" 179 lbs... could definitely fill out some.
 
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