Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread

[Dr Quincy]

Rindell playing as JUK's #1 D in the 1st 2 games, leading in TOI in each. Was a +2 today in a 3-0 win and had 5 shots.

 

[LeafChief]

Amirov expected back soon?

 

[stickty111]

Niemela and Holmberg with an assist in the season opener. Hirvonen also had an assist today.

 

[Prominence]

Niemela played 22:39, which is great. Hirvonen only played 11:28, but had 12 pim, so that most likely limited his playing time. Hirvonen is on the 3rd line, which is concerning.

 

[LeafChief]

Niemela played 22:39, which is great. Hirvonen only played 11:28, but had 12 pim, so that most likely limited his playing time. Hirvonen is on the 3rd line, which is concerning.

My understanding is that Hirvonen is on a much better team than he was last year so that may be why he's starting on the third line.

I think he's going to have a massive WJHC this year.

 

[stickty111]

Niemela played 22:39, which is great. Hirvonen only played 11:28, but had 12 pim, so that most likely limited his playing time. Hirvonen is on the 3rd line, which is concerning.[/QUOTE]
Not really. His team is much stronger so it's expected. He will probably rotate on the 2nd and 3rd all year

 

[stickty111]

Artur with a bounceback game saving 17 of 18 shots in the win today.

 

[zeke]

Artur with a bounceback game saving 17 of 18 shots in the win today.

Hopefully he bounces back but it's nice to see him getting so much playing time.

 

[LeafChief]

Does anyone know if scrimmages at the Development Camp will be streamed? They have been streamed in years past.

I assume Traverse City tournament will be streamed?

 

[LeafChief]

Re: Traverse City

 

[stickty111]

Hopefully he bounces back but it's nice to see him getting so much playing time.

He's in the VHL.

 

[LeafChief]

 

[kerk]

 

[Twine Tickler]

the old Kadri fake b-hand forehand deke eh??

 

[fahad203]

the old Kadri fake b-hand forehand deke eh??

The naked man.... works 2 out 3 times

 

[zeke]

Lmao Hailey taking no prisoners. Love it.

 

[Caser]

Ok, something strange is clearly happening with this world:

 

[stickty111]

This is my end of season prospect list. Sorry guys. This one was late because I was on vacation. Statistical analysis not included for this player.
11. W. Joey Anderson
Overview
Anderson barely qualifies as a prospect with his number of NHL games, but made the cut. Anderson was drafted in the 3rd round, 73rd overall in 2016 by the New Jersey Devils. He had a solid season in the U.S development team with 20 points in 25 games in that year. He joined the college ranks the next season where he nearly went PPG game with 37 points in 39 games. He struggled the following season with 26 points in 36 games. In his D+3, he turned pro and played 13 games in the AHL recording 6 points. Most of the season was spent in the NHL though where he played 34 games, but only had 7 points. In the 19/20 season, he played more than half the season in the AHL where he was very productive. He had 15 goals and 19 assists in 44 games. He also got 18 more games in the NHL recording 6 points. Last off season he was acquired by the Leafs for Andreas Johnsson straight up. He started this year in the AHL as expected playing only 20 games and recording 11 points before getting hurt. He also played a game for the Leafs. He is waiver eligible this year so Leafs could lose him if he doesn’t make the team. He’s a good player probably ready for the NHL, but he needs a good camp with the depth on the roster.
Stats
2019/2020
AHL
GP: 44
Goals: 15
Assists: 19
Points: 34

2020/2021
AHL
GP: 20
Goals: 7
Assists: 4
Points: 11

Talent Analysis
Breakdown of grades:
1- Poor
2- Below average
3- Average
4- Good
5- Great

Player Grades: Present/Future
Skating: 3.5/3.5
Shot: 3/3
Puck Skills: 3.5/3.5
Compete: 3.5/3.5
Defence: 3/3.5
Smarts/IQ: 3.5/3.5
Note: Puck skills includes passing ability, puck control and creating

Anderson is a pretty solid skater. He can control the puck and get through players without losing a step, and gets around players. He moves well around the ice. It helps him able to forececk because of his agility in his skates. He isn’t a speedster so that might limit him somewhat, but he’s an above average skater and it is good enough for the next level.
He doesn’t have flashy offensive tools, but he can make plays in open ice or in tight corners. He can create offense in the flow of the game and has a decent shot. He can score score from just under medium range, but won’t be a sniper. He will get a lot of his points from in tight. I believe he can play on an NHL PP but in a net front presence role.

He works hard all over the ice, and can be a tenacious player on the forecheck. He likes to play in the tight areas.

He’s a fine defensive player. He won’t make many assignments but it’s something he could work on. I wouldn’t say it’s a strength of his game but he won’t hurt the team.

Anderson is a smart player who plays within his abilities, and reliable in all three zones.

My Future Projection: I think he is good enough for the NHL, and see his upside as a middle 6 forward. I think it would be a mistake to lose him on waivers.

NHL Player? Yes

 

[Gabriel426]

The naked man.... works 2 out 3 times

My advanced stats is saying 3 out 4 times.

 

[Movement]

After following this board for some time decided to write the first message just to give a view of couple of your Finnish prospects from Finland. As a professional coach with over 100 games seen of all your Finn prospect (just to point out, haven`t coached any of them, but talked to guys who have, so I know how their coaches see these players), and of witch a significant amount live, I get the feeling that there is nobody who actually know these players who are playing in Finland.

Just to take an easy example and compare Kokkonen and Rindell who were playing in the same team for two years. First of all, I think there isn´t a single pro in Finland who thinks Kokkonen is a better prospect or a better player than Rindell. Last year Kokkonen was no 1 in TOI in Jukurit, but it wasn´t because he was the best or the most important D. He was a local boy under a local coach. Those games when Kokkonen was out I think Jukurit had a better point average than with Kokkonen in and when Rindell was out they lost every single game. Rindell was chosen for every single EHT tournament and for the WC team. Jukka Jalonen, Finnish national coach plays a very safe tactics and doesn´t choose players with big issues in defence which also tells that the comments about Rindell sucks in D are from people who either haven´t seen him play or don´t understand that much of defensive play.

There was also someone who pointed out that Kokkonen is 9 months younger, which I think is a comment from someone who hasn´t been involved with junior coaching or doesn´t understand how junior players develop. As a big picture you can of course compare with that age difference a bigger amount of players but when you compare to individuals then you should have all the facts. In this case, Kokkonen was fully grown in height as 12/13 years and has been around current weight since about 16 and Rindell was fully grown as 18/19 and I think this current season will be the first with around final weight. Actually what I have heard and seen, it could be that Rindell was the last to one to still grow out of Leafs Finn prospects, even though some of them are over two years younger.

Also saw comments that one of the issues with Rindell is his skating. Last year 4th fastest skater in liiga and fastest D and at least in Finland everybody thinks that it is one of his strengths. Same numbers with Kokkonen 361 and 111.

And to be clear I also like Kokkonen as a player and think he has a possibilty to make NHL, which I think underlines even more of the level Rindell is playing and how little people in this forum know about players in Europe.

Will try to write also about your other Finnish prospects at some time, but this was something that really jumped in to my eye

 

[Lauro]

After following this board for some time decided to write the first message just to give a view of couple of your Finnish prospects from Finland. As a professional coach with over 100 games seen of all your Finn prospect (just to point out, haven`t coached any of them, but talked to guys who have, so I know how their coaches see these players), and of witch a significant amount live, I get the feeling that there is nobody who actually know these players who are playing in Finland.

Just to take an easy example and compare Kokkonen and Rindell who were playing in the same team for two years. First of all, I think there isn´t a single pro in Finland who thinks Kokkonen is a better prospect or a better player than Rindell. Last year Kokkonen was no 1 in TOI in Jukurit, but it wasn´t because he was the best or the most important D. He was a local boy under a local coach. Those games when Kokkonen was out I think Jukurit had a better point average than with Kokkonen in and when Rindell was out they lost every single game. Rindell was chosen for every single EHT tournament and for the WC team. Jukka Jalonen, Finnish national coach plays a very safe tactics and doesn´t choose players with big issues in defence which also tells that the comments about Rindell sucks in D are from people who either haven´t seen him play or don´t understand that much of defensive play.

There was also someone who pointed out that Kokkonen is 9 months younger, which I think is a comment from someone who hasn´t been involved with junior coaching or doesn´t understand how junior players develop. As a big picture you can of course compare with that age difference a bigger amount of players but when you compare to individuals then you should have all the facts. In this case, Kokkonen was fully grown in height as 12/13 years and has been around current weight since about 16 and Rindell was fully grown as 18/19 and I think this current season will be the first with around final weight. Actually what I have heard and seen, it could be that Rindell was the last to one to still grow out of Leafs Finn prospects, even though some of them are over two years younger.

Also saw comments that one of the issues with Rindell is his skating. Last year 4th fastest skater in liiga and fastest D and at least in Finland everybody thinks that it is one of his strengths. Same numbers with Kokkonen 361 and 111.

And to be clear I also like Kokkonen as a player and think he has a possibilty to make NHL, which I think underlines even more of the level Rindell is playing and how little people in this forum know about players in Europe.

Will try to write also about your other Finnish prospects at some time, but this was something that really jumped in to my eye

Thx a lot, very interesting. Can't wait for your opinion on the other Finnish Leafs prospects!

 

[Morgs]

After following this board for some time decided to write the first message just to give a view of couple of your Finnish prospects from Finland. As a professional coach with over 100 games seen of all your Finn prospect (just to point out, haven`t coached any of them, but talked to guys who have, so I know how their coaches see these players), and of witch a significant amount live, I get the feeling that there is nobody who actually know these players who are playing in Finland.

Just to take an easy example and compare Kokkonen and Rindell who were playing in the same team for two years. First of all, I think there isn´t a single pro in Finland who thinks Kokkonen is a better prospect or a better player than Rindell. Last year Kokkonen was no 1 in TOI in Jukurit, but it wasn´t because he was the best or the most important D. He was a local boy under a local coach. Those games when Kokkonen was out I think Jukurit had a better point average than with Kokkonen in and when Rindell was out they lost every single game. Rindell was chosen for every single EHT tournament and for the WC team. Jukka Jalonen, Finnish national coach plays a very safe tactics and doesn´t choose players with big issues in defence which also tells that the comments about Rindell sucks in D are from people who either haven´t seen him play or don´t understand that much of defensive play.

There was also someone who pointed out that Kokkonen is 9 months younger, which I think is a comment from someone who hasn´t been involved with junior coaching or doesn´t understand how junior players develop. As a big picture you can of course compare with that age difference a bigger amount of players but when you compare to individuals then you should have all the facts. In this case, Kokkonen was fully grown in height as 12/13 years and has been around current weight since about 16 and Rindell was fully grown as 18/19 and I think this current season will be the first with around final weight. Actually what I have heard and seen, it could be that Rindell was the last to one to still grow out of Leafs Finn prospects, even though some of them are over two years younger.

Also saw comments that one of the issues with Rindell is his skating. Last year 4th fastest skater in liiga and fastest D and at least in Finland everybody thinks that it is one of his strengths. Same numbers with Kokkonen 361 and 111.

And to be clear I also like Kokkonen as a player and think he has a possibilty to make NHL, which I think underlines even more of the level Rindell is playing and how little people in this forum know about players in Europe.

Will try to write also about your other Finnish prospects at some time, but this was something that really jumped in to my eye

This is kind of a shocking statement imo. As someone who followed Jukurit last season virtually every game I can't imagine thinking like this.

Kokkonen's rel.CF% on that team was ridiculously good, especially for a player that was playing #1 minutes and tough zone starts. The only thing Rindell really did better was manage to actually get production on that horrible team. I've even read reports and seen multiple times where it's clear that it's not an inability for Kokkonen to produce either, his team just couldn't bury on the ice evidenced by his unsustainably low oish% he had for virtually the entire season.

This feels like almost completely a "Rindell scores points so he's better" take than actually understanding what translates to being a future NHL player, which I'm not fully convinced Rindell will end up being. The defensive issues takes are also relatively true based on the fact his positive rel.CF% was almost solely based on him being a dominant offensive player, which the majority of us know. And lets not forget, Rindell's production mostly dried up at the end of the season and his rel.CF% actually got worse, while Kokko's stayed consistent.

I appreciate the extra knowledge though and I look forward to hearing more about Niemela and Hirvonen.

 

[zeke]

After following this board for some time decided to write the first message just to give a view of couple of your Finnish prospects from Finland. As a professional coach with over 100 games seen of all your Finn prospect (just to point out, haven`t coached any of them, but talked to guys who have, so I know how their coaches see these players), and of witch a significant amount live, I get the feeling that there is nobody who actually know these players who are playing in Finland.

Just to take an easy example and compare Kokkonen and Rindell who were playing in the same team for two years. First of all, I think there isn´t a single pro in Finland who thinks Kokkonen is a better prospect or a better player than Rindell. Last year Kokkonen was no 1 in TOI in Jukurit, but it wasn´t because he was the best or the most important D. He was a local boy under a local coach. Those games when Kokkonen was out I think Jukurit had a better point average than with Kokkonen in and when Rindell was out they lost every single game. Rindell was chosen for every single EHT tournament and for the WC team. Jukka Jalonen, Finnish national coach plays a very safe tactics and doesn´t choose players with big issues in defence which also tells that the comments about Rindell sucks in D are from people who either haven´t seen him play or don´t understand that much of defensive play.

There was also someone who pointed out that Kokkonen is 9 months younger, which I think is a comment from someone who hasn´t been involved with junior coaching or doesn´t understand how junior players develop. As a big picture you can of course compare with that age difference a bigger amount of players but when you compare to individuals then you should have all the facts. In this case, Kokkonen was fully grown in height as 12/13 years and has been around current weight since about 16 and Rindell was fully grown as 18/19 and I think this current season will be the first with around final weight. Actually what I have heard and seen, it could be that Rindell was the last to one to still grow out of Leafs Finn prospects, even though some of them are over two years younger.

Also saw comments that one of the issues with Rindell is his skating. Last year 4th fastest skater in liiga and fastest D and at least in Finland everybody thinks that it is one of his strengths. Same numbers with Kokkonen 361 and 111.

And to be clear I also like Kokkonen as a player and think he has a possibilty to make NHL, which I think underlines even more of the level Rindell is playing and how little people in this forum know about players in Europe.

Will try to write also about your other Finnish prospects at some time, but this was something that really jumped in to my eye

Some questions:

1. Why has Kokkonen been a stalwart of the Finnish WJC team at every age level, while Rindell has never made it?

2. Why did "hometown" boy Kokkonen move to a different team this year?

3. Do they really have speed rankings of every player in the Finnish league? When do they do the testing for this?

 

[Movement]

Kokkonen's rel.CF% on that team was ridiculously good

Kokkonen played almost every single shift behind first and second line and Rindell was regularly behind third and fourth

Rindell's production mostly dried up at the end of the season

He was with the national team in Sweden and because of Covid stayed in quarantine after that for two weeks, meaning could only do outdoor training alone. After that it took several games to get back in normal level for actually every single player who was part of that national team

1. Why has Kokkonen between a stalwart of the Finnish WJC team at every age level, while Rindell has never made it?

Actually I already answered that in the comment I told how late grower Rindell was and with Kokkonen quite the opposite

2. Why did "hometown" boy Kokkonen move to a different team this year?

No 100% knowledge, could be familiar coach in Pelicans or wouldn´t get the role he wanted in Jukurit or he just didn´t get a new contract.

3. Do they really have speed rankings of every player in the Finnish league? When do they do the testing for this?

Public information in liiga.fi pages. You can find top speeds, hardest shots etc. there.

And also could ask Morgs why do you think, if Kokkonen was so much better, it was Rindell who was in the national team in every EHT tournament and World Championships? Also straight from one of the national team coaches, "Rindell´s defensive play is a lot better than he gets credit"

Not saying he is ready defensively, quite far from that, but definitely not only offence player. A very underrated player in this forum.

 

[LeafChief]

After following this board for some time decided to write the first message just to give a view of couple of your Finnish prospects from Finland. As a professional coach with over 100 games seen of all your Finn prospect (just to point out, haven`t coached any of them, but talked to guys who have, so I know how their coaches see these players), and of witch a significant amount live, I get the feeling that there is nobody who actually know these players who are playing in Finland.

Just to take an easy example and compare Kokkonen and Rindell who were playing in the same team for two years. First of all, I think there isn´t a single pro in Finland who thinks Kokkonen is a better prospect or a better player than Rindell. Last year Kokkonen was no 1 in TOI in Jukurit, but it wasn´t because he was the best or the most important D. He was a local boy under a local coach. Those games when Kokkonen was out I think Jukurit had a better point average than with Kokkonen in and when Rindell was out they lost every single game. Rindell was chosen for every single EHT tournament and for the WC team. Jukka Jalonen, Finnish national coach plays a very safe tactics and doesn´t choose players with big issues in defence which also tells that the comments about Rindell sucks in D are from people who either haven´t seen him play or don´t understand that much of defensive play.

There was also someone who pointed out that Kokkonen is 9 months younger, which I think is a comment from someone who hasn´t been involved with junior coaching or doesn´t understand how junior players develop. As a big picture you can of course compare with that age difference a bigger amount of players but when you compare to individuals then you should have all the facts. In this case, Kokkonen was fully grown in height as 12/13 years and has been around current weight since about 16 and Rindell was fully grown as 18/19 and I think this current season will be the first with around final weight. Actually what I have heard and seen, it could be that Rindell was the last to one to still grow out of Leafs Finn prospects, even though some of them are over two years younger.

Also saw comments that one of the issues with Rindell is his skating. Last year 4th fastest skater in liiga and fastest D and at least in Finland everybody thinks that it is one of his strengths. Same numbers with Kokkonen 361 and 111.

And to be clear I also like Kokkonen as a player and think he has a possibilty to make NHL, which I think underlines even more of the level Rindell is playing and how little people in this forum know about players in Europe.

Will try to write also about your other Finnish prospects at some time, but this was something that really jumped in to my eye

What are your thoughts on Hirvonen and Niemala?

Any opinion on Miettinen choosing NCAA over Finnish pro?