Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - Who ordered a taxi?

[Leaf Fans]

AHL contract candidates more than guys who are ELCs.

Sévigny could be a guy they might think has a development future with the Leafs, but likely if he is signed, it would be an AHL deal.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Sévigny could be a guy they might think has a development future with the Leafs, but likely if he is signed, it would be an AHL deal.

He is a high end QMJHL defenseman but is not enough to be a true standout. He is a tweener between an AHL deal and having to go the CIS route. ELC should not be considered unless he completely blows some socks off, which I doubt.

Lapenna is solid too. He's small, which is always is a concern, but he has the athleticism and he has posted some nice numbers in both his DY and DY+1. I think he overplays a little bit too much but that is something that can be fixed, and otherwise I think he has the technique. If he was a couple of inches taller, he probably would have been picked by now. Would not have drafted him myself as it is with his size, but I would have taken him (and dozens of others) over Peksa any day.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

He is a high end QMJHL defenseman but is not enough to be a true standout. He is a tweener between an AHL deal and having to go the CIS route. ELC should not be considered unless he completely blows some socks off, which I doubt.

Lapenna is solid too. He's small, which is always is a concern, but he has the athleticism and he has posted some nice numbers in both his DY and DY+1. I think he overplays a little bit too much but that is something that can be fixed, and otherwise I think he has the technique. If he was a couple of inches taller, he probably would have been picked by now. Would not have drafted him myself as it is with his size, but I would have taken him (and dozens of others) over Peksa any day.

To summarize, it would be a disappointment if these are the best guys they are adding to their roster, but they are solid additions. It does not really jive with the idea that they are looking at UFA's that they would have taken in the late rounds, because these guys really should not have been on their board (although Peksa tells me otherwise). Peter Reynolds is probably the only guy I would say really fits the bill in terms of guys I would consider signing (out of the QMJHL) though, and you do need some 'filler' that have a chance of getting an AHL contract in there too.

I guess this also means that Sevigny was not one of the guys who tried to sexually assault a girl after Victoriaville's championship win. I imagine the Leafs investigated that fairly deeply considering both Sevigny and Abramov were not only on the team, but captains of the team.

 

[Leaf Fans]

To summarize, it would be a disappointment if these are the best guys they are adding to their roster, but they are solid additions. It does not really jive with the idea that they are looking at UFA's that they would have taken in the late rounds, because these guys really should not have been on their board (although Peksa tells me otherwise). Peter Reynolds is probably the only guy I would say really fits the bill in terms of guys I would consider signing (out of the QMJHL) though, and you do need some 'filler' that have a chance of getting an AHL contract in there too.

I guess this also means that Sevigny was not one of the guys who tried to sexually assault a girl after Victoriaville's championship win. I imagine the Leafs investigated that fairly deeply considering both Sevigny and Abramov were not only on the team, but captains of the team.

Most likely they would have done their homework. They had Mailloux marked as do not draft and he is a hell of a lot of a better prospect than Sévigny.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Besides the obvious candidate in Reynolds, the other QMJHL guys I would look at:

C/LW Lorenzo Canonica - Really late birthday (Sept 3rd, 03'). The book on him is that he is a solid all-around prospect with no real weaknesses, but no plus tools outside of his speed. Does not really process the game at a high enough level to be a top 6 guy, but could blossom into a bottom 6 threat in the NHL if he gets the right team behind him. Easily the best candidate out of the QMJHL to get selected as an OA next year besides Reynolds.

C Theo Rochette - Went undrafted again. Has a near identical profile to Phil Danault except in a 5'10" body and with the right development staff, I sincerely believe he can get to a similar level. I would love to see him at a development camp with a team that can really draw out the skillset that once had him ranked in the 1st round in early 2020 mock drafts.

Sevigny and Lapenna were probably the best choices for defensemen and goalies respectively out of the QMJHL. A few other solid candidates like Laaouan and Merisier-Ortiz on defense and Despatie in net worth looking at, but I would probably turn to other leagues.

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Some other candidates from CHL teams:

LW Eric Alarie - Raw power forward project. He needs development, especially with skating, but has great IQ and works hard both on and off the ice. I had him in my top 100 for those reasons alone. I think a lot of his issues can be fixed with coaching, and while I think there will be some limitations as to what he can become, he seems like the kind of guy who will eventually figure it out and be a very valuable complimentary top 6 piece.
C Trevor Wong - Size is his main issue, and he does not like/work well in any physical contests. That being said, his skill set is high end and well rounded. If he was bigger, I find it hard to believe he would not have been a 1st or 2nd round pick.
C Jack O'Brien - He had a really bad draft year but was strong in his D-1. Like Rochette, I can see him developing into another guy like Danault, except O'Brien has the size profile you want to actually emulate Danault. A long term project who can skyrocket up boards in 2022.
G Braden Holt - He hasn't played much in his WHL career, but Everett knows how to pick out goalies and he looked really good in his brief stint last year. Not as good in the 2 games he played this year. I just have a hunch that he is a guy who can earn an ELC out of someone's training camp and really make them look like a genius.

Not much out of the OHL worth looking at unless you want to see how former OHL 1st rounders like Rolofs and Goure turn out in dev. camp.

 

[LeafChief]

Besides the obvious candidate in Reynolds, the other QMJHL guys I would look at:

C/LW Lorenzo Canonica - Really late birthday (Sept 3rd, 03'). The book on him is that he is a solid all-around prospect with no real weaknesses, but no plus tools outside of his speed. Does not really process the game at a high enough level to be a top 6 guy, but could blossom into a bottom 6 threat in the NHL if he gets the right team behind him. Easily the best candidate out of the QMJHL to get selected as an OA next year besides Reynolds.

C Theo Rochette - Went undrafted again. Has a near identical profile to Phil Danault except in a 5'10" body and with the right development staff, I sincerely believe he can get to a similar level. I would love to see him at a development camp with a team that can really draw out the skillset that once had him ranked in the 1st round in early 2020 mock drafts.

Sevigny and Lapenna were probably the best choices for defensemen and goalies respectively out of the QMJHL. A few other solid candidates like Laaouan and Merisier-Ortiz on defense and Despatie in net worth looking at, but I would probably turn to other leagues.

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Some other candidates from CHL teams:

LW Eric Alarie - Raw power forward project. He needs development, especially with skating, but has great IQ and works hard both on and off the ice. I had him in my top 100 for those reasons alone. I think a lot of his issues can be fixed with coaching, and while I think there will be some limitations as to what he can become, he seems like the kind of guy who will eventually figure it out and be a very valuable complimentary top 6 piece.
C Trevor Wong - Size is his main issue, and he does not like/work well in any physical contests. That being said, his skill set is high end and well rounded. If he was bigger, I find it hard to believe he would not have been a 1st or 2nd round pick.
C Jack O'Brien - He had a really bad draft year but was strong in his D-1. Like Rochette, I can see him developing into another guy like Danault, except O'Brien has the size profile you want to actually emulate Danault. A long term project who can skyrocket up boards in 2022.
G Braden Holt - He hasn't played much in his WHL career, but Everett knows how to pick out goalies and he looked really good in his brief stint last year. Not as good in the 2 games he played this year. I just have a hunch that he is a guy who can earn an ELC out of someone's training camp and really make them look like a genius.

Not much out of the OHL worth looking at unless you want to see how former OHL 1st rounders like Rolofs and Goure turn out in dev. camp.

I've seen a lot of people surprised Peter Reynolds wasn't drafted. What's the deal there?

 

[613Leafer]

Do we know who's coming over to the Marlies this year for their first full AHL season?

SDA, Kokkenen, and Kral seem likely? Any from the 2020 draft class (eg Niemela, Hirvonen, etc)?

 

[SprDaVE]

Do we know who's coming over to the Marlies this year for their first full AHL season?

SDA, Kokkenen, and Kral seem likely? Any from the 2020 draft class (eg Niemela, Hirvonen, etc)?

SDA, Kral and Holmberg should be on the Marlies this upcoming season full time. Kokkonen signed a 2 year deal with the Pelicans in Finland, so I think it's very unlikely he's with the Marlies this season. He did really well on his PTO with the Marlies last season though, so I wouldn't be surprised if he comes over full time next season.


There were talks about making an AHL rule for his season that would allow underagers to play in the AHL again if they played this past season, Robertson for example. I haven't read anything about that recently though.

 

[Magic Man]

Do we know who's coming over to the Marlies this year for their first full AHL season?

SDA, Kokkenen, and Kral seem likely? Any from the 2020 draft class (eg Niemela, Hirvonen, etc)?

Kokkonen has a 2 year deal in Finland and no ELC. SDA and Kral will be full time Marlies.

Rodion Amirov will likely be with the Marlies from the 2020 draft class.

 

[SprDaVE]

Kokkonen has a 2 year deal in Finland and no ELC. SDA and Kral will be full time Marlies.

Rodion Amirov will likely be with the Marlies from the 2020 draft class.

They already said Amirov will play in the KHL this season. It's likely he does come over right after though.

 

[Stand Witness]

I wish there was some sort of additional incentive to using AHL contracts... like a first right to refusal if they were to sign an AHL contract and then get an NHL contract elsewhere.

give us a chance to match

 

[Minty Cowboy]

When is prospect development camp begin, its usually like a week post draft.

 

[uncleben]

I wish there was some sort of additional incentive to using AHL contracts... like a first right to refusal if they were to sign an AHL contract and then get an NHL contract elsewhere.

give us a chance to match

The incentive is in direct say in player development and access to professional scouting

I think there is typically an honour system though that if a player on AHL contract gets an offer elsewhere, they let the NHL parent club know and potentially match

 

[SprDaVE]

Greenways rights were traded to the Bruins for future considerations. He was going to be a UFA in a month.

 

[Stand Witness]

The incentive is in direct say in player development and access to professional scouting

I think there is typically an honour system though that if a player on AHL contract gets an offer elsewhere, they let the NHL parent club know and potentially match

Yea, I guess all I am saying is it would be nice to have that in place… although the NHLPA might feel that favours certain teams too much.

It could really alter the development systems if the day after the draft a bunch of teams could sign undrafted 20 year olds to AHL contracts which locks them into an organization with the option to match any NHL contracts.

At the same time, it isn’t like this is a reoccurring issue and I have yet to remember any situation where the Marlies had a guy signed and was plucked by an NHL team and became successful.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I've seen a lot of people surprised Peter Reynolds wasn't drafted. What's the deal there?

Short of there being a character issue that has not come to light, no clue. He is not the biggest guy in the world, but it is not like 5'10" guys have not been selected in abundance before.

The one thing I will say is that he did struggle to put up points in the first half. In the October-November stretch, he only had 8 points in 15 games. Then when the Sea Dogs brought in Francis and Kotkov, his numbers skyrocketed (23 points in 18 games in the March-April stretch).

Maybe teams thought he was a product of his linemates?

Even if he was, he has no real weaknesses other than his size, and he has plus skating, faceoff ability, and IQ with the potential to become a fairly reliable 15 goal - 40 point 3rd line center with two-way ability. Probably can develop him into a PK threat as well.

Considering there were teams taking chances on guys from the middle of nowhere, or guys who did not even play a single game this year, I find it really odd that they would pass on a legitimate prospect short of there being an issue with his character.

 

[Morgs]

Short of there being a character issue that has not come to light, no clue. He is not the biggest guy in the world, but it is not like 5'10" guys have not been selected in abundance before.

The one thing I will say is that he did struggle to put up points in the first half. In the October-November stretch, he only had 8 points in 15 games. Then when the Sea Dogs brought in Francis and Kotkov, his numbers skyrocketed (23 points in 18 games in the March-April stretch).

Maybe teams thought he was a product of his linemates?

Even if he was, he has no real weaknesses other than his size, and he has plus skating, faceoff ability, and IQ with the potential to become a fairly reliable 15 goal - 40 point 3rd line center with two-way ability. Probably can develop him into a PK threat as well.

Considering there were teams taking chances on guys from the middle of nowhere, or guys who did not even play a single game this year, I find it really odd that they would pass on a legitimate prospect short of there being an issue with his character.

I had him as a mid-second rounder. Him and Almquist are easily the two most questionable non-picks for me, but the NHL doesn't love 5'7" guys even if they're plus plus skaters with good production (and the youngest player in the draft).

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I had him as a mid-second rounder. Him and Almquist are easily the two most questionable non-picks for me, but the NHL doesn't love 5'7" guys even if they're plus plus skaters with good production (and the youngest player in the draft).

I think there are bigger issues than just size for Almquist. I had him as a draftable prospect, but not anything really that high. He has skill, but I question his IQ and that is a major concern for someone his size especially. I would have taken a chance just to see if he figures things out with the right coaching staff, but I don't have huge hopes for him if he does not figure out his IQ issues.

He also did not really produce all that well in the Danish league. He should have been able to dominate that league if he was a noteworthy prospect.

 

[SprDaVE]

When is prospect development camp begin, its usually like a week post draft.

Apparently mid/late August this off-season for most teams.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

How would you guys fit Knies and Voit into our prospect pool? I'd go:

1)Amirov
2) Robertson
3) Liljegren
4) Niemela
5) Abramov
6) Knies
7) Hirvonen
8) Kokkonen
9) Miettinen
10) SDA
11) Holmberg
12) Kral
13) Ovchinnikov
14) Koster
15) Abruzesse
16) Steeves
17) Voit

 

[SeaOfBlue]

How would you guys fit Knies and Voit into our prospect pool? I'd go:

1)Amirov
2) Robertson
3) Liljegren
4) Niemela
5) Abramov
6) Knies
7) Hirvonen
8) Kokkonen
9) Miettinen
10) SDA
11) Holmberg
12) Kral
13) Ovchinnikov
14) Koster
15) Abruzesse
16) Steeves
17) Voit

1. RD Timothy Liljegren – 1999 – AHL
2. LD Rasmus Sandin – 2000 – AHL
3. LW Nicolas Robertson – 2001 – AHL
4. LW Rodion Amirov – 2001 – KHL
5. RD Topi Niemela – 2002 – Liiga
6. C/LW Roni Hirvonen – 2002 – Liiga
7. LW Matthew Knies – 2002 - NCAA
8. C/RW Mikhail Abramov – 2001 – AHL
9. RW Veeti Miettinen – 2001 - NCAA
10. LD Mikko Kokkonen – 2001 – Liiga
11. LW/C Nick Abruzzese – 1999 – NCAA
12. G Joseph Woll – 1998 – AHL
13. LD Filip Kral – 1999 – AHL
14. RD William Villeneuve – 2002 – QMJHL
15. RW/LW Alex Steeves – 1999 – AHL
16. LD Michael Koster – 2001 – NCAA
17. C/LW/RW Pontus Holmberg – 1999 – SHL
18. C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev – 2000 – AHL
19. C/LW Ty Voit – 2003 – OHL
20. G Ian Scott – 1999 – ECHL
21. RD Mac Hollowell – 1998 – AHL
22. C/LW/RW Ryan Tverberg – 2002 – NCAA
23. C/LW Wyatt Schingoethe – 2002 – NCAA
24. RW/LW Dmitri Ovchinnikov – 2002 – KHL
25. G Artur Akhtyamov – 2001 – KHL
26. RD Axel Rindell – 2000 – Liiga
27. C/LW/RW Joe Miller – 2002 - USHL
28. RD Kalle Loponen – 2001 – Liiga
29. RD John Fusco – 2001 – NCAA
30. RW Semyon Kizimov – 2000 – KHL
31. G Vyacheslav Peksa – 2002 – KHL
32. RW/LW Vladislav Kara – 1998 – KHL
33. LD Ryan O’Connell – 1999 – NCAA

 

[uncleben]

1. RD Timothy Liljegren – 1999 – AHL
2. LD Rasmus Sandin – 2000 – AHL
3. LW Nicolas Robertson – 2001 – AHL
4. LW Rodion Amirov – 2001 – KHL
5. RD Topi Niemela – 2002 – Liiga
6. C/LW Roni Hirvonen – 2002 – Liiga
7. LW Matthew Knies – 2002 - NCAA
8. C/RW Mikhail Abramov – 2001 – AHL
9. RW Veeti Miettinen – 2001 - NCAA
10. LD Mikko Kokkonen – 2001 – Liiga
11. LW/C Nick Abruzzese – 1999 – NCAA
12. G Joseph Woll – 1998 – AHL
13. LD Filip Kral – 1999 – AHL
14. RD William Villeneuve – 2002 – QMJHL
15. RW/LW Alex Steeves – 1999 – AHL
16. LD Michael Koster – 2001 – NCAA
17. C/LW/RW Pontus Holmberg – 1999 – SHL
18. C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev – 2000 – AHL
19. C/LW Ty Voit – 2003 – OHL
20. G Ian Scott – 1999 – ECHL
21. RD Mac Hollowell – 1998 – AHL
22. C/LW/RW Ryan Tverberg – 2002 – NCAA
23. C/LW Wyatt Schingoethe – 2002 – NCAA
24. RW/LW Dmitri Ovchinnikov – 2002 – KHL
25. G Artur Akhtyamov – 2001 – KHL
26. RD Axel Rindell – 2000 – Liiga
27. C/LW/RW Joe Miller – 2002 - USHL
28. RD Kalle Loponen – 2001 – Liiga
29. RD John Fusco – 2001 – NCAA
30. RW Semyon Kizimov – 2000 – KHL
31. G Vyacheslav Peksa – 2002 – KHL
32. RW/LW Vladislav Kara – 1998 – KHL
33. LD Ryan O’Connell – 1999 – NCAA

You forgot Bobylev, Chebykin, and Herzog

 

[Apex Predator]

You forgot Bobylev, Chebykin, and Herzog

I forgot we still have Herzog.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You forgot Bobylev, Chebykin, and Herzog

I cut off at 1998.

Herzog would be above O'Connell since Herzog is at least a respectable NLA player.

The others would be below O'Connell.

 

[Minty Cowboy]

Feel like Tverberg could rise up some lists after this season