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Fancy stats aside, Hallander just hasn’t been that impressive this year. I can appreciate driving play but if it doesn’t amount to anything I’m just not really that impressed. And to be honest he’s a top 10 prospect for us not top 3 or 5. I’m fine with him looking just alright when so many other players are exceeding expectations in the pool.
 
Morgs said:
*all of this is prior to today's game*

I think we need to remember that the SHL is the clear 3rd best league in the world. It's much closer to the KHL in strength than it is to #4, so it's not only exceptional that Hallander has a 1st line role with the team, but that he's doing as well as he is with the spot. Another thing is if you've actually watched him extensively (like I'm sure very few have) you'll see he's far better than his statline shows. He's constantly in the play, setting up chances for himself and teammates.

He's 11th in the league in U21 points, with five 1st round picks ahead of him (Lundkvist, Veleno, Holtz, Seider, Raymond), and one guy I believe is the best prospect in the 2021 NHL draft (Eklund). Of the other 4 guys ahead of him, three are 2nd round picks (Berggren, Drury, Hoglander) and the other is a guy that was a double OA that was picked in the 7th round 2020 (Oberg). Other than Berggren, Drury, and Lundkvist he's one game great game away from being ahead of everyone else in points. Let's not forget too his sh% and his oish% lags behind virtually everyone else on that list too, so the "lack" of production is probably far more of a fluke than something to expect going forward. Not to mention for as good his team is, they score very few goals compared to other good teams. Plus as I mentioned, he's playing in such a tough league his NHLe is actually ahead of guys like Amirov, Miettinen, Hirvonen, etc who people are claiming to be having fantastic offensive seasons and loving their upside.

His play driving is exceptional. On a fantastic analytical team it's harder to drive play as you need to be more than good/average at it, he's the best play driver on the team with a +5.1 rel.CF% and a +4.1 rel.FF%. We don't know how transferrable it is to the NHL, but it's a good sign when a guy like him who I believe would play a perfect support role to either of our top-2 lines is able to dominate possesion the way he is.

There is literally 0 reason to be down on him. I see a fantastic middle-6 play driving winger that like Hyman/Hornqvist has the ability to be effective anywhere in the top-6.
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Trunz05 said:
Fancy stats aside, Hallander just hasn’t been that impressive this year. I can appreciate driving play but if it doesn’t amount to anything I’m just not really that impressed. And to be honest he’s a top 10 prospect for us not top 3 or 5. I’m fine with him looking just alright when so many other players are exceeding expectations in the pool.
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Nah Hallander's had a good season. Luck and lack of PP time are the only reasons his production isn't up, and his production is fine anyways.
 

UConn closed its facility and cancelled their next 2 games because of a positive case
 
Leafs at Knight said:
To play devils advocate with Hallander - his offensive numbers haven't improved since his d-1 to his current d+2. I know he isn't known for his offence, but you still want to see some growth there.
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Again, I'm of the opinion he's a very good player and getting better, but he's just unlucky in regards to how often the puck is going into the net.

2018-19:
ATOI - 15:50
PPG - 0.52
rel.CF% - 4.5%
rel.FF% - 4.5%
oiSH% - 10.8%
SH% - 10.2%

2019-20 (including today):
ATOI - 16:14
PPG - 0.44
rel.CF% - 5.2%
rel.FF% - 4.1%
oiSH% - 5.5%
SH% - 6.45%

Obviously we'd like a bunch more production, but it's not like he's some scrub offensively or holding his team back. He just simply hasn't been able to put the puck in the net. I think if everything clicks you get a Yanni Gourde type impact, and worst case scenario you get 2016-18 Hyman impact. Energy middle-6, play-driving winger, just a question of how the production will translate.
 
stickty111 said:
Nah Hallander's had a good season. Luck and lack of PP time are the only reasons his production isn't up, and his production is fine anyways.
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I really appreciate the time you put into this thread and I enjoy your takes, but I just don’t agree with some of these takes from you and others. When I say unimpressive I don’t mean he’s had a bad season but lower ppg and marginal improvement in possession just isn’t showing me much. The SHL isn’t just an NHL development league they play to win and if hallander was providing more offence he’d play more pp mins in my opinion. Now to be fair he seems like more of a bottom 6 type player so playing big pp mins probably won’t be any issue in the future anyways. I’m just playing devils advocate a bit here trying to objectively judge without the leaf goggles but he’s not looking like a guy that’s anything special I think the 2nd round tag and high profile of the trade is leading some people to hype him a bit much for what he’s actually doing.
He’s playing similarly to Holmberg in production and play style who no one is raving about in this thread quite like hallander.
Anyways not trying to argue just posting some food for thought, I’m a die hard leaf fan and want all these kids to work out, hallander is just not really impressing me.
 
To be clear I really like hallander as a prospect, I wanted him in 2019 and really thought he could’ve been taken early second round. I just am not seeing any improvement from him. Production isn’t everything but he hasn’t made any marked improvement in production since becoming an SHL regular and I just had hoped for more.
 
Trunz05 said:
To be clear I really like hallander as a prospect, I wanted him in 2019 and really thought he could’ve been taken early second round. I just am not seeing any improvement from him. Production isn’t everything but he hasn’t made any marked improvement in production since becoming an SHL regular and I just had hoped for more.
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Except, people have given you indisputable facts that he’s a play driving, great possession, solid defensive player, and your only knock is his production. So, production does seem to be everything to you.
 
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genk said:
Except, people have given you indisputable facts that he’s a play driving, great possession, solid defensive player, and your only knock is his production. So, production does seem to be everything to you.
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Indisputable facts that he’s looking like a dime a dozen player that can be picked up every year in FA for pennies. Like I said before he’s been a solid defensive forward that can drive possession for 3 seasons now and not showing any improvement. Even bottom 6 players normally produce well in lower leagues and he’s not improving there. His possession and play driving stats also don’t appear to be improving in any way either. That’s why I’m not impressed.
 
Apex Predator said:
The good thing with Hallander is we’re not banking on him being a top 6 forward. Would be nice but we can be patient with him and hopefully develops into a serviceable 3rd liner.
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I’m with you here and I don’t mean to come off as a hater or something here haha. My main gripe is simply the lack of any kind of improvement in his game in any aspect. He’s been a good defensive player he’s been a good possession player he’s been an average offensive player but nothing seems to be changing. When looking at prospects the ones with the most promise are the ones that keep getting better.
Hallander seems like a guy we shouldn’t rush to the Marlies. I’d rather see him play another year in Sweden even two to really get comfortable offensively so when he comes over to NA he’ll have the confidence to be more than basically a 4th liner/pker.
To be a good third liner he’s going to need to bring some offence. It’s the difference between a par lindholm and say an Oscar sundqvist.
 
CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Rindell has another point, and he's at 50.1 cf% on the year on a trash team. He could really be something. he's their leading scorer as a defenseman and nobody else is above 50 cf%
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He's still basically all offense at this point but better to have that skillset than not.

He's in the same group as Hollowell and Duszak imo. Has room to grow obviously but he needs to get way better defensively still.
 
stickty111 said:

UConn closed its facility and cancelled their next 2 games because of a positive case
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where would this guy have been scouted? WJAC? Only other league I can see is OJHL, do NHL scouts scout that league?

he was on bchl roster but apparently never played
he was drafted to ohl but obviously never played
then he went to ncaa, was that a later decision he made because he was hoping OHL would play?
 
Trunz05 said:
I’m with you here and I don’t mean to come off as a hater or something here haha. My main gripe is simply the lack of any kind of improvement in his game in any aspect. He’s been a good defensive player he’s been a good possession player he’s been an average offensive player but nothing seems to be changing. When looking at prospects the ones with the most promise are the ones that keep getting better.
Hallander seems like a guy we shouldn’t rush to the Marlies. I’d rather see him play another year in Sweden even two to really get comfortable offensively so when he comes over to NA he’ll have the confidence to be more than basically a 4th liner/pker.
To be a good third liner he’s going to need to bring some offence. It’s the difference between a par lindholm and say an Oscar sundqvist.
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I agree with you and maybe that’s why I’m not too concerned because my expectations are a bit more lower for him. To be a good third liner we’re going to need more offense out of him.
 
DuncanMacpherson said:
Why was this kid available in the 6th? What’s wrong with him?
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I honestly have no idea. Some people were as high as a 2nd round pick on him.

Sure, he played in a league that was below his skill level last season (D+0), but there are plenty of guys that play in that league his age or older so it's not outrageous. Loponen has played in that league this season and he's a D+2. Ffs the guy has the 2nd most goals in a season in the league ever with some random guy named Teemu Selanne being the only one to ever have more.

His path was strange, he's not the biggest guy, and besides his shot he doesnt really have any crazy standout skill. Seems like a bunch of teams (including the Leafs) kinda just said "meh" instead of seeing this insane upside.
 
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