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Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - The AHL is up and prospects are in play

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SeaOfBlue said:
Good luck beating Dryden McKay.
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Speaking of McKay, his numbers are absolutely stellar. I understand he started off in college at 21 but still very impressive. I hope we can scoop up this guy.

Min got shutout by Min State 4-0. Koster season over. Kid is a stud, hopefully gets a huge role next year.
 
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nobody said:
Speaking of McKay, his numbers are absolutely stellar. I understand he started off in college at 21 but still very impressive. I hope we can scoop up this guy.

Min got shutout by Min State 4-0. Koster season over. Kid is a stud, hopefully gets a huge role next year.
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Small and plays in a weak conference. We also don't need another goalie prospect right now.
 
It would be cool if Scott was able to come in and go on a heater after his last junior season. Prospect lists would change quickly. It should take him some time because of all the time off, but if it doesn't that is a very good sign for his future.
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
Smaller goalies are starting to make a comeback. I saw a tweet a few weeks ago that was posted on Facebook. I tried to find the tweet and im not sure when it was from but it was showing the combined sv% of goalies who were 6'1 or smaller and compared to the sv% of goalies who were 6'2 or bigger and the smaller goalies actually had a slightly higher sv%.
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Just curious, was this the NHL? Wondering if that's almost like a barrier to entry for a small goalie, they basically need to be notably better to get a look.
 
Gallagbi said:
Just curious, was this the NHL? Wondering if that's almost like a barrier to entry for a small goalie, they basically need to be notably better to get a look.
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I think it was. It was a tweet that was posted in a thread on goalie size in a goalie group that I'm on on Facebook. I tried looking it up so that I could post it on here for people to have a look at. I think the Twitter poster was MSGoaltending.

If a smaller goalie has great technique and solid numbers to back it up, why not draft him, even with a late pick? Seems stupid to me. I would much rather bet on a smaller goalie with good technique and great numbers , growing an inch or 2 (Hart, Dostal) than a guy who is 6'4 and has flaws (Sparks) being able to overcome them.

I liked Wolf in his draft and Garand was my favourite goalie in last years draft ( not including Askarov).
 
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acrobaticgoalie said:
I think it was. It was a tweet that was posted in a thread on goalie size in a goalie group that I'm on on Facebook. I tried looking it up so that I could post it on here for people to have a look at. I think the Twitter poster was MSGoaltending.

If a smaller goalie has great technique and solid numbers to back it up, why not draft him, even with a late pick? Seems stupid to me. I would much rather bet on a smaller goalie with good technique and great numbers , growing an inch or 2 (Hart, Dostal) than a guy who is 6'4 and has flaws (Sparks) being able to overcome them.

I liked Wolf in his draft and Garand was my favourite goalie in last years draft ( not including Askarov).
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I think it mostly comes down to being a game of inches, and you have fewer of them as a smaller goalie.

It's one thing in juniors when guys are good but not great shooters. It's another when you are playing Auston Matthews and he picks the smallest of holes on a regular basis... And you have a lot more holes as a smaller goalie than as a larger goalie.

I still rank smaller goalies, but their size legitimately matters more than any other position in hockey I would say.
 
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LeafChief said:
Veini Vehvalainen (spelling?) assigned to Leafs taxi squad.

Ian Scott re-assigned to the Marlies. Moore says Ian Scott is available to play in tomorrow's game.
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(Disappointed this hasn't been posted yet)
 
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If a smaller goalie has great technique and solid numbers to back it up, why not draft him, even with a late pick?.
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It's funny you say this, because when we acquired VV from CBJ, I instantly wrote him off because he was only 6 feet tall. Which in my mind was too small to be a shut down #1 in the NHL. I just kept remembering our time with Jonathan Bernier. He was a tremendously skilled goaltender. Extremely acrobatic, and had great reflexes. This is by no means a critique on Jonathon, because by all accounts he has had a great career. Maybe underfilled his projected potential a bit being that he was the 11th pick in the draft, but nonetheless 386 GP is nothing to be embarrassed by. But I always felt he just looked small in the net. I felt like in playing that explosive side to side/acrobatic game, he really had to get low to push off. which left him vulnerable. He is the same size as VV, but when I see clips of VV on YouTube he looks like he challenges the shooters very well, and it ends up giving the perception of him playing larger than he is IMO. Also when you look at Jack Campbell's (6'1) game, he tends to stay up way longer than your average goalie. Obviously this is done because he doesn't stand as tall in his butterfly, and likely why a shot like Nurse's got past him on Saturday. All n All, totally agree with you. Think positioning is everything.
 
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Campbell is actually listed at 6'2. I wouldn't read too much into that Nurse goal. I think he just surprised him with the quick release five hole after receiving the pass.

Positioning Is everything. Smaller goalies make up for the few inches in height with speed.
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
Campbell is actually listed at 6'2. I wouldn't read too much into that Nurse goal. I think he just surprised him with the quick release five hole after receiving the pass.

Positioning Is everything. Smaller goalies make up for the few inches in height with speed.
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Ya it was definitely something that hasn't beat Campbell a lot this year yet, but it is a copy cat league. Wouldn't be surprised to see a couple look offs for 5 hole tonight... Connor is easily the best at that play in the league. But even prior to that goal, I have really looked deep at Jack's style to see if he has a sustainable style to play as a consistent #1. He is not an upright goalie by any means. But he doesn't go down at the same point as traditional butterfly goalies. If the shot comes in clean, and is going high, jack stays pretty tall in his net. He doesn't drop to a butterfly every time. Sometimes making the save somewhat upright and then dropping to the butterfly thereafter. Or other times just makes the save completely upright. It has been very noticeable to me. Maybe its because Freddy just drops to his butterfly at the second the puck carrier shows shot. I just remember so many times where AM34 made goalies that play jacks style look so goofy when he sells upstairs and goes along the ice at the heal of the paddle. Carey Price I think has fell for it at least a couple times, same with Demko. Either way, Jack has shown that more often than not he is reading the shot well enough to play that style IMO, and it kinda has to be that way because he is not as tall in his butterfly as a 6'4 Fred
 
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Ya it was definitely something that hasn't beat Campbell a lot this year yet, but it is a copy cat league. Wouldn't be surprised to see a couple look offs for 5 hole tonight... Connor is easily the best at that play in the league. But even prior to that goal, I have really looked deep at Jack's style to see if he has a sustainable style to play as a consistent #1. He is not an upright goalie by any means. But he doesn't go down at the same point as traditional butterfly goalies. If the shot comes in clean, and is going high, jack stays pretty tall in his net. He doesn't drop to a butterfly every time. Sometimes making the save somewhat upright and then dropping to the butterfly thereafter. Or other times just makes the save completely upright. It has been very noticeable to me. Maybe its because Freddy just drops to his butterfly at the second the puck carrier shows shot. I just remember so many times where AM34 made goalies that play jacks style look so goofy when he sells upstairs and goes along the ice at the heal of the paddle. Carey Price I think has fell for it at least a couple times, same with Demko. Either way, Jack has shown that more often than not he is reading the shot well enough to play that style IMO, and it kinda has to be that way because he is not as tall in his butterfly as a 6'4 Fred
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By staying upright or standing up, you use less energy as well as cause less strain on your joints. If you're down in the butterfly or VH/RVH all the time, it causes a lot of wear and tear on the hips and knees. I like that Campbell reads the shot and only goes down if he needs to. Plus by staying up its easier to get to a rebound or backdoor play as you're still on your feet. Andersen has a bad habit of dropping to his belly on cross ice plays. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't but by doing so you aren't doing yourself any favors by leaving half the net uncovered. I find that Freddy finds himself in more desperation situations than Campbell.
 
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By staying upright or standing up, you use less energy as well as cause less strain on your joints. If you're down in the butterfly or VH/RVH all the time, it causes a lot of wear and tear on the hips and knees. I like that Campbell reads the shot and only goes down if he needs to. Plus by staying up its easier to get to a rebound or backdoor play as you're still on your feet. Andersen has a bad habit of dropping to his belly on cross ice plays. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't but by doing so you aren't doing yourself any favors by leaving half the net uncovered. I find that Freddy finds himself in more desperation situations than Campbell.
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Yup, 100% agree with everything you said. Fred is far more likely to be beaten high as well, despite being the bigger goalie because he drops down at the first read of shot. Not to mention, when you play a traditional butterfly position you have to challenge the shooter way more, because you are essentially giving the top 1/8th of the net away. Leaving you extremely vulnerable to pass off pads plays and rebounds in general. Freddy is very athletic, and when he is on he can go get over on those 2 on 1's despite being far out of his net, but that's exactly where you mentioned you see him land on his belly a lot. To some degree every goalie plays a form of a VH or RVH. Too hard to be completely upright on your posts in the NHL. Players are so crafty behind the net, if you're too upright you will get exposed by a back door pass or jam play. VH and RVH are designed to minimize that. Campbell very rarely even goes down in what would be a traditional butterfly when it comes to a clear shot. Unless that shot comes from the point. His pads very rarely hit the ice at the same time. Always one slightly before the other. Which really relies on the goalie making a good read on the shot itself, because you have to cheat one side or the other. Its a Hybrid between standup and butterfly. Alot like Cujo as some people have mentioned, just maybe not as animated. Jack's hybrid style is very subtle, but its still Hybrid IMO
 
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Hoefenmayer has been a decent surprise for me. Playing 1st pair beside Liljegren today and so far doesn't look out of place at all. His breakout ability and offensive poise standout immediately. Those two seem to complement each other.

His skating has clearly improved since his OHL days and his game has quieted down a lot at the pro level. Definitely someone who benefitted from the time 0ff-ice during the shutdown. If he continues to improve his skating, in tandem with his range/size, I think he can overcome a lot of the transitional defending concerns and potentially have an NHL future. Another darkhorse prospect.
 
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