Great post. Voit is an interesting case because of the missed season and how far hes come. Fwiw I had Minten and Lisowsky less than 10 picks apart on draft day and people called me crazy in the prospect ranking threads for saying Lisowsky is borderline top-10.
On Lisowsky, where do you rate his playmaking? We know about his shot, but I have seen concerns about his lack of creation. Valid or not that concerning? His skating I have seen questions too.
This is objectively hilarious because last season when he struggled it was because he shot way, way too much at ES and it killed plays/limited chances. Wonder if this is something the Leafs are going to intervene on as shooting/decision making in general at ES is by far the biggest concern I had draft day, and now even more after reading this.
I still don't understand the defensive reputation. He played on an elite defensive team last year and didn't score enough, and people just parroted he's some defensive specialist. Minten's offensive upside is *massive* and he's showing it right now. The lack of ES production is concerning, but that's more of a problem if it continues into pro. One of the 10 best D-1 WHL prospects in the last ~10 years that struggled relative to his d-1 performance last year and back on track this year. He's trending towards a Robertson-type of D+1 and that's absolutely massive.
Yes and no. ES production is worth more when projecting junior prospects, but I've watched a bunch of his games the last 3 years and im not going to be concerned unless it continues into being a Marlie. His decision making was suspect (to put it nicely) last season, but he's also one of the smartest players on the ice playing in a heavily defensive system primarily without Stankoven (Bankier has had 1C most of the season). He's showing now without them to "hog" the minutes what he's capable of in the primary offensive role.
Haven't watched a game of his since last year, but he's a shooter and that's what he does. Mitch Brown's data won't be updated until the 8th of Jan, but here's his last year card fwiw. I don't remember having concerns about his skating, but people will always complain about non-elite skaters at his size.
He doesn’t have high end skills asides from his iq and has an okay shot. He makes smart choices however. Though others disagree, when i watch minten, he doesn’t play with stankoven much unless they stack the lines when they are losing. He does not even play with bankier much. So…teammates and skill. I am pleasantly surprised by his hat tricks as i was under the impression stankoven draws in defenders allowing minten more space to score. With stankoven gone, i would think it is much harder for minten to score, but apparently that isn’t the case.
His shot seems quite a bit better than just okay, but yeah the rest of his offensive game seems to need some improvement. The good news is he still seems like a very promising prospect aside from his offense
He'll likely be there next year. A 2nd rounder doesn't often make it as an 18 year old.
Read in Wheeler’s On the Clock: Maple Leafs at the Draft book that he intends to do a full 4 years at UConn and that’s not including the 14 games he played in that shortened season.
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It's exactly what I said in my post. He's touted as this "no offense/defense first"-with the chance of being + defensively at the pro level and its consistently been parroted in the scouting community. It confused me even before we picked him.I think Minton's accolades seem to include defensive play, with some quite flattering.
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Some of the concerns expressed seem to be correctable.
