Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

[Future]

I'm sure 15 point rookie Robert Thomas helped Marner a great deal. Same with 17 point rookie Bouchard. Most of those guys were in their draft year, for D-1. Burke was on OA waived through the WHL and used as a backup. A lot of those guys would go on to be really good OHL players, but they weren't quite there that season. Only that top line averaged better than 1.0PPG in the playoffs (and they averaged about 2ppg).

I watched most London games that season, that top line did most of the offensive work, especially in the playoffs. Marner was also on the top PK. For my money the league was stronger that year than average, and easily stronger than that OHL has been any season since the pandemic.

I like Voit and what he's doing is great as a Leaf prospect, the Marner comparisons seem forced. He definitely looks smaller than Marner did at 19. Voit is also doing this in his 4th year of OHL eligibility (he missed out on 1, like everyone else in the OHL, because of the pandemic), whereas Marner did it in his 3rd year and put up 60 points in the NHL at Voits development age.

I do not have much hope for Voit turning into an NHL player, to be perfectly honest. The supposed flaws of Marner’s game are magnified x10 in Voit without the 90 point upside. Genuinely wish we would avoid drafting small players unless they have that type of upside. For every Bratt, Debrincat, Caufield, there are 100 guys that never sniff the NHL.

Also, Minten with a goal through 1 period today.

 

[Prominence]

The toyberg strikes again! He has 2 goals today for 13 pts in 13 games or 11 in 11. He can probably get more if the coach puts wood on his line.

EDIT: made a mistake on his points.

 

[stickty111]

SDA is putting himself in call up territory which would be a crazy thought 1-2 years ago.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Grebyonkin with 5 points in 8 games so far in the KHL...looking like he might be a legit player to keep an eye on for the future.

 

[LeafChief]

Grebyonkin with 5 points in 8 games so far in the KHL...looking like he might be a legit player to keep an eye on for the future.

That's very impressive. Hopefully he can keep this up all year. Will play himself into actual prospect territory.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Leafs need to sign this guy ASAP

Djibril Touré - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Djibril Touré, 2003-06-05 Dorval, QC, CAN Canada. Most recently in the AHL with Belleville Senators. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[SprDaVE]

SDA is putting himself in call up territory which would be a crazy thought 1-2 years ago.

Pretty underrated. I can see used in a trade to boost NHL roster but either way, I think he's trending really well.

Also, Othmann was traded to the Petes. Kressler hopefully gets traded to a contender as well.

 

[SprDaVE]

I do not have much hope for Voit turning into an NHL player, to be perfectly honest. The supposed flaws of Marner’s game are magnified x10 in Voit without the 90 point upside. Genuinely wish we would avoid drafting small players unless they have that type of upside. For every Bratt, Debrincat, Caufield, there are 100 guys that never sniff the NHL.

Also, Minten with a goal through 1 period today.

You can say that about anyone regardless of size? For every XYZ big guy, there's 100 big guys that never sniff the NHL. Where is Rasanen lately anyway?

It's time to stop looking at a scale to judge a players NHL potential and look at what they do on the ice. It really is that simple. The less you're bothered with someone being 5'10" and less focused only targetting players that are over 6', the more you'll have success finding players that can contribute at the NHL level.

 

[Thornbury]

Leafs need to sign this guy ASAP

Djibril Touré - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Djibril Touré, 2003-06-05 Dorval, QC, CAN Canada. Most recently in the AHL with Belleville Senators. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Could be a typical late developing tall player. Might be worth a flyer - could he be signed as a free agent at anytime during the season?

 

[andora]

Could be a typical late developing tall player. Might be worth a flyer - could he be signed as a free agent at anytime during the season?

He can have a deal agreed to that takes effect once the chl season concludes/ players become free agents

I think it is mid june but might be wrong

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I do not have much hope for Voit turning into an NHL player, to be perfectly honest. The supposed flaws of Marner’s game are magnified x10 in Voit without the 90 point upside. Genuinely wish we would avoid drafting small players unless they have that type of upside. For every Bratt, Debrincat, Caufield, there are 100 guys that never sniff the NHL.

Also, Minten with a goal through 1 period today.

Where are

Korshkov
Gordeev
Greenway
Middleton
Desrochers
Bobylev
Chebykin
Rasanen
Kara
Mattinen
Nielsen

We took all these guys over the course of 3 drafts. All 6'2 or bigger and the only one that is even playing as a regular in the AHL around the age of 24 is Middleton.

You need speed, puck skills and high hockey IQ to play in the NHL. I take a player like Voit that has some of these traits over behemoths that don't 10 times out of 10. Not every prospect makes it but if you keep betting on skill, eventually you'll land a Marchand type in the 3rd round or so. Easier than betting on a big guy figuring out how to play hockey at the fastest level.

Having said that we do need more diversity of skill types in our system which we've added recently with Knies, Minten, Douglas, Tverberg etc. But these guys actually have skill.

 

[ULF_55]

Pretty underrated. I can see used in a trade to boost NHL roster but either way, I think he's trending really well.

Also, Othmann was traded to the Petes. Kressler hopefully gets traded to a contender as well.

Marlies Hound Line:

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

You can say that about anyone regardless of size? For every XYZ big guy, there's 100 big guys that never sniff the NHL. Where is Rasanen lately anyway?

LOL. Literally my first thought at that statement

 

[ULF_55]

This guys isn't drafted:

Ryan McAllister (b.2001) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Ryan McAllister, a hockey player from London, ONT born Dec 19 2001 who was active from 2018 to 2025.

www.hockeydb.com

Sure, there's a tonne of them.

Born in London, Ontario, looks like grew up in the west.
Brooks Bandits ... did he fall off everyone radar. Some teams monitor these leagues.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Leafs need to sign this guy ASAP

Djibril Touré - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Djibril Touré, 2003-06-05 Dorval, QC, CAN Canada. Most recently in the AHL with Belleville Senators. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

He's still draft eligible

 

[ULF_55]

He's still draft eligible

He was eligible in 2021 and 2022.

Has this rule change?
To be eligible, players must be 18 years old by Sept. 15 and under 20 years old by Dec. 31 in the draft year.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Pretty underrated. I can see used in a trade to boost NHL roster but either way, I think he's trending really well.

Also, Othmann was traded to the Petes. Kressler hopefully gets traded to a contender as well.

Flint is competing. Othmann wanted to move to a team closer to home and apparently he is a bit of a head case.

 

[uncleben]

He was eligible in 2021 and 2022.

Has this rule change?
To be eligible, players must be 18 years old by Sept. 15 and under 20 years old by Dec. 31 in the draft year.

Under 21*, for any player who played in North America as a junior
Under 22 otherwise

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

He was eligible in 2021 and 2022.

Has this rule change?
To be eligible, players must be 18 years old by Sept. 15 and under 20 years old by Dec. 31 in the draft year.

Draft eligibility lasts for 3 drafts. It's not u20

 

[ULF_55]

Under 21*, for any player who played in North America as a junior
Under 22 otherwise

Thanks, using the 2022 rules, it is logical these rules would apply to 2023:

2022 NHL entry draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rules for 2022:

Ice hockey players born between January 1, 2002, and September 15, 2004, were eligible for selection in the 2022 NHL Entry Draft. Additionally, un-drafted, non-North American players born in 2001 were eligible for the draft; and those players who were drafted in the 2020 NHL Entry Draft, but not signed by an NHL team and who were born after June 30, 2002, were also eligible to re-enter the draft.[4]

2023 NHL entry draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ice hockey players born between January 1, 2003, and September 15, 2005, are eligible for selection in the 2023 NHL Entry Draft. Additionally, un-drafted, non-North American players born in 2002 are eligible for the draft; and those players who were drafted in the 2021 NHL Entry Draft, but not signed by an NHL team and who were born after June 30, 2003, are also eligible to re-enter the draft.[2]

Djibril Toure​

Defense -- shoots L
Born Jun 5 2003 -- Dorval, PQ
[19 yrs. ago]
Height 6.04 -- Weight 174 [193 cm/79 kg]


Athletic has it wrong?

How to watch the NHL Draft: Date, time, streaming, draft order and eligibility

Answering some key questions about the 2022 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

The NHL Draft differs from its NBA and NFL counterparts in that players don’t declare their entry into it. In the NHL Draft, all North American players who are 18 years old by Sept. 15 of the year of their draft and under 20 years old by Dec. 15 of that same year are eligible.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Born in London, Ontario, looks like grew up in the west.
Brooks Bandits ... did he fall off everyone radar. Some teams monitor these leagues.

He's born and raised in Ontario. Moved out west his last few Jr. years for the level of hockey. The AJHL, BCHL are much better level than what you get in Ontario.

 

[Future]

You can say that about anyone regardless of size? For every XYZ big guy, there's 100 big guys that never sniff the NHL. Where is Rasanen lately anyway?

It's time to stop looking at a scale to judge a players NHL potential and look at what they do on the ice. It really is that simple. The less you're bothered with someone being 5'10" and less focused only targetting players that are over 6', the more you'll have success finding players that can contribute at the NHL level.

Our system and current roster is littered with the same type of player with very few exceptions. Would like to see us diversify. We’re drafting guys like Abruzesse while Detroit is taking guys like Elmer Soderblom. Even if the former pans out, is he the type of guy to move the needle at all compared to the latter?

Would rather take shots on unicorn types every day of the week because, as you’ve outlined, any type of prospect has the ability to flop. If the Soderblom type pans out, you’ve got an incredibly unique and impactful asset. If NA pans out, you’ve got (just) another guy (i.e. Kerfoot, Jarnkrok).

Tools matter a lot.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Our system and current roster is littered with the same type of player with very few exceptions. Would like to see us diversify. We’re drafting guys like Abruzesse while Detroit is taking guys like Elmer Soderblom. Even if the former pans out, is he the type of guy to move the needle at all compared to the latter?

Would rather take shots on unicorn types every day of the week because, as you’ve outlined, any type of prospect has the ability to flop. If the Soderblom type pans out, you’ve got an incredibly unique and impactful asset. If NA pans out, you’ve got (just) another guy (i.e. Kerfoot, Jarnkrok).

Tools matter a lot.

I do think you have a point that if all goes well it's good to have prospects who can bring some size and physicality, but the fact is drafting for size typically leads to a lot of prospects who don't live up to their draft position. Drafting for upside leads to a lot more success stories of prospects who exceed their draft positions. Just compare the drafting under Hunter to the drafting under Dubas, it's not even really close

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Thanks, using the 2022 rules, it is logical these rules would apply to 2023:

2022 NHL entry draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rules for 2022:

Ice hockey players born between January 1, 2002, and September 15, 2004, were eligible for selection in the 2022 NHL Entry Draft. Additionally, un-drafted, non-North American players born in 2001 were eligible for the draft; and those players who were drafted in the 2020 NHL Entry Draft, but not signed by an NHL team and who were born after June 30, 2002, were also eligible to re-enter the draft.[4]

2023 NHL entry draft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ice hockey players born between January 1, 2003, and September 15, 2005, are eligible for selection in the 2023 NHL Entry Draft. Additionally, un-drafted, non-North American players born in 2002 are eligible for the draft; and those players who were drafted in the 2021 NHL Entry Draft, but not signed by an NHL team and who were born after June 30, 2003, are also eligible to re-enter the draft.[2]

Djibril Toure​

Defense -- shoots L
Born Jun 5 2003 -- Dorval, PQ
[19 yrs. ago]
Height 6.04 -- Weight 174 [193 cm/79 kg]


Athletic has it wrong?

How to watch the NHL Draft: Date, time, streaming, draft order and eligibility

Answering some key questions about the 2022 NHL Draft.

theathletic.com

The NHL Draft differs from its NBA and NFL counterparts in that players don’t declare their entry into it. In the NHL Draft, all North American players who are 18 years old by Sept. 15 of the year of their draft and under 20 years old by Dec. 15 of that same year are eligible.

Yes the Athletic has it wrong.

 

[SprDaVE]

Our system and current roster is littered with the same type of player with very few exceptions. Would like to see us diversify. We’re drafting guys like Abruzesse while Detroit is taking guys like Elmer Soderblom. Even if the former pans out, is he the type of guy to move the needle at all compared to the latter?

Would rather take shots on unicorn types every day of the week because, as you’ve outlined, any type of prospect has the ability to flop. If the Soderblom type pans out, you’ve got an incredibly unique and impactful asset. If NA pans out, you’ve got (just) another guy (i.e. Kerfoot, Jarnkrok).

Tools matter a lot.

Leafs also took guys like Knies and Minten in the past couple drafts. Detroit also drafted Marco Kasper and Buchelnikov this past draft. You can point to one example, and I can point to another. It will be endless.

Tools do matter but you're basing your whole argument on their size and not what they do on the ice. This isn't the 70s anymore. You can be under 6 foot and make a world of difference with intangibles and more than just "skill". If NA pans out, you have a 60ish point player picked in the 4th round. Soderblom was a good pick for Detroit and I'm sure 31 teams would pick him much sooner if they knew.

Leafs could just draft a bunch of fridges like Mark Hunter tried to do and they could miss out on some major talent. That's what scouting is. It's not just looking at a spreadsheet with height and weight and picking. A bigger player will always be better if they're equal, but this isn't a black and white process.