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Fogelhund said:
Bracco's decline was due to the noise around the hazing, and forced cocaine usage of rookie Rangers, that came out at the exact same time he had to take leave from the Marlies for "personal reasons", which you might put the two together and draw some conclusions. I think between the two, he got blacklisted in NA.
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To be honest, I didn't know any of those instances. I will say though, drug use, specifically cocaine, in pro hockey is very common. I am not 100% sure what the hazing incidents included and if there were potential lawsuits to come from it. That would definitely get you blacklist by a lot of teams. His skill would not be worth the headache of a lawsuit and bad PR for the club. But if it were just your standard drug use I am confident that is not why he didn't make the NHL.

Ultimately the way I see it, without knowing the full story, it sounds like Bracco didn't make the NHL because his skill didn't warrant the potential backlash. I think teams saw him as a top-6 or bust, and the fact that he wasn't proving himself to be a viable option in that regard made him less worth the potential bad PR that would come from a bad hazing incedent. If he were good enough, he'd be in the NHL, no question about it. Just look at Tony D'angelo, Evander Kane and the opposite of that skill Jake Virtanen. NHL teams will take baggage if the skill warrants it. His skill didn't
 
Fogelhund said:
Bracco's decline was due to the noise around the hazing, and forced cocaine usage of rookie Rangers, that came out at the exact same time he had to take leave from the Marlies for "personal reasons", which you might put the two together and draw some conclusions. I think between the two, he got blacklisted in NA.
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I think it was a mix of both tbh. I think he also thought it was a guaranteed he was gonna be a top sixer and then we saw a bit of drive mia.
 
Twine Tickler said:
Yes, I think cautiously optimistic is the best way to describe it. I love the upside of the player. From all the years I have watched the game and played the game the one thing I've realized is you cannot teach vision and IQ. People either have it or they don't. Ty seems to have it, which is great.

Typically if you're smart enough to see the game the way guys like Ty do, you will also be smart enough to adapt your game to allow you to succeed at the next level. Similar to Abruzzese. Highly intelligent player, but he will need some time to figure out what he can and cannot do at the pro level. I anticipate that same learning curve for Ty going forward.

We all know what skill with no adaptability looks like...
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circled is a very similar pts. production over 17 more games in what I believe was his D+2 season as well.

I am optimistic with Ty, no doubt. He really cannot do much more to impress then what he is currently doing. Absolutely reason to celebrate, but we have to remain grounded in what to expect IMO
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Also, his full season was well under 2 points per game.

Not really sure he is a good example.

I think the original post was just if someone can put up 2 ppg in their d+2, that is a good indicator they may have an impact at the NHL level.
 
notbias said:
Also, his full season was well under 2 points per game.

Not really sure he is a good example.

I think the original post was just if someone can put up 2 ppg in their d+2, that is a good indicator they may have an impact at the NHL level.
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Ya I recognize that, I was just trying to say it's one thing to put up that production for 10 games, vs 65+. I used Bracco as an example because in that 2016-17 season where he split time in Kitchener and Windsor, you could see him amass 51pts in 27 games with Kitchener only to score just over a pt/game in Windsor once he was moved there.

I will begin to gush over the production if/when we hit that 40 game mark and he is still flirting with that level of production. At this point, I will just take it will a grain of salt. By no means am I trying to shit on Ty or anyone who is elated at the production. I am thrilled as well. Really, what more could we ask of him up till this point? I just won't raise my expectations of him as a prospect from a 10 game sample size to start the year. I love the pick and I love his upside, just want to see more of it!
 
Twine Tickler said:
Yes, I think cautiously optimistic is the best way to describe it. I love the upside of the player. From all the years I have watched the game and played the game the one thing I've realized is you cannot teach vision and IQ. People either have it or they don't. Ty seems to have it, which is great.

Typically if you're smart enough to see the game the way guys like Ty do, you will also be smart enough to adapt your game to allow you to succeed at the next level. Similar to Abruzzese. Highly intelligent player, but he will need some time to figure out what he can and cannot do at the pro level. I anticipate that same learning curve for Ty going forward.

We all know what skill with no adaptability looks like...
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circled is a very similar pts. production over 17 more games in what I believe was his D+2 season as well.

I am optimistic with Ty, no doubt. He really cannot do much more to impress then what he is currently doing. Absolutely reason to celebrate, but we have to remain grounded in what to expect IMO
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I’m pretty sure he had some “extra curricular” things going on. Also he has 83 pts in 57 g. That’s a hot start not *2 ppg
 
Fogelhund said:
Bracco's decline was due to the noise around the hazing, and forced cocaine usage of rookie Rangers, that came out at the exact same time he had to take leave from the Marlies for "personal reasons", which you might put the two together and draw some conclusions. I think between the two, he got blacklisted in NA.
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There was also a girl on Twitter who named him saying he had harassed her repeatedly online. Here's the thread on reddit talking about it and the original tweet.

@laur4 on Twitter with sexual harassment allegations against Jeremy Bracco


Someone in the thread also mentioned that when he left BC he didn't meet with the coach or even talk to him on the phone but rather just sent him a quick text. Seems to be a lot of smoke around him for there not to be fire. Seems like an all around idiot.
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
There was also a girl on Twitter who named him saying he had harassed her repeatedly online. Here's the thread on reddit talking about it and the original tweet.

@laur4 on Twitter with sexual harassment allegations against Jeremy Bracco


Someone in the thread also mentioned that when he left BC he didn't meet with the coach or even talk to him on the phone but rather just sent him a quick text. Seems to be a lot of smoke around him for there not to be fire. Seems like an all around idiot.
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Ya it definitely sounds to be the case. I stand corrected, maybe Jeremy Bracco wasn't the best example on where talent can go wrong with no adaptability. Clearly he had far more contributing factors to his demise then I was aware of originally. I think my latter example may have been more accurate as it relates to Ty Voit. Nic Petan was a stud at the junior level, was a key contributor for Team Canada at the WJHC, great AHL player, but he just couldn't add that extra level to his game to make him stick in the show. He is also a very intelligent player, but he failed to recognize the opportunity ahead of him in every organization he was a part of. Or better yet, the lack of opportunity.

There are only so many minutes to go around at the NHL level, unfortunately for Nic, he kind of type cast himself into a role that wasn't overly adaptable. I thought he showed signs of promise down the lineup at times, but only when ice was readily available. My fear for Ty is that he will follow a similar trajectory.

I don't want to be mistaken, I am absolutely thrilled with Ty as a prospect and I really believe in him. But I will not look at a 10 game sample size and heighten my expectations of him. He had already began to pop on my radar a bit more with the rate of primary points he was accruing last season. It was truly abnormal in all the right ways. From the second we selected him, it had steal written all over it, and it continues to look that way with each passing day. I just hope for his sake, and ours, that he can find a way to round out his game enough to be effective up and down an NHL lineup. That's all.

For the record, I don't expect him to be doing that at this moment. He is doing everything we could have hoped for and then some. It's more or less when he makes the jump to pro. And because I have seen the promise fade from the likes of say Nic Petan during that same jump, I will chose to not heighten my expectations just yet. I will enjoy his success now, but not pencil him into our 2025-26 opening night roster. Not suggesting anyone on here has said that, I am just speaking from my POV
 
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Twine Tickler said:
Ya it definitely sounds to be the case. I stand corrected, maybe Jeremy Bracco wasn't the best example on where talent can go wrong with no adaptability. Clearly he had far more contributing factors to his demise then I was aware of originally. I think my latter example may have been more accurate as it relates to Ty Voit. Nic Petan was a stud at the junior level, was a key contributor for Team Canada at the WJHC, great AHL player, but he just couldn't add that extra level to his game to make him stick in the show. He is also a very intelligent player, but he failed to recognize the opportunity ahead of him in every organization he was a part of. Or better yet, the lack of opportunity.

There are only so many minutes to go around at the NHL level, unfortunately for Nic, he kind of type cast himself into a role that wasn't overly adaptable. I thought he showed signs of promise down the lineup at times, but only when ice was readily available. My fear for Ty is that he will follow a similar trajectory.

I don't want to be mistaken, I am absolutely thrilled with Ty as a prospect and I really believe in him. But I will not look at a 10 game sample size and heighten my expectations of him. He had already began to pop on my radar a bit more with the rate of primary points he was accruing last season. It was truly abnormal in all the right ways. From the second we selected him, it had steal written all over it, and it continues to look that way with each passing day. I just hope for his sake, and ours, that he can find a way to round out his game enough to be effective up and down an NHL lineup. That's all.

For the record, I don't expect him to be doing that at this moment. He is doing everything we could have hoped for and then some. It's more or less when he makes the jump to pro. And because I have seen the promise fade from the likes of say Nic Petan during that same jump, I will chose to not heighten my expectations just yet. I will enjoy his success now, but not pencil him into our 2025-26 opening night roster. Not suggesting anyone on here has said that, I am just speaking from my POV
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Petan couldn't improve his skating and defensive game enough. Everything else was fine but that is the difference between AAAA and making it for him.

It is also why I want to give Malgin a legit shot. His skating is among the best on our team, and helps him in his own end, while still having all of Petan's other qualities.
 
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Abramov is expected to return from injury and make his season debut tomorrow according to Barden.
Really interested how his sophmore season goes after a strange and up/down season last year
 
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ULF_55 said:
Perhaps after they deal a contract away.

Or he's talking next year when Holl is UFA.

At that point Niemela and Villeneuve are probably in the mix.
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They meant for next year. Similar to how Douglas signed his NHL contract last year for this year.
 
A good thread with prospect updates and some clips.

Happy to see McKay is at 2-0 and .931 save %. Growlers are a good team but McKay seems to be playing up to his NCAA level.

 
stickty111 said:
2nd PP and ice time dropped because of new additions on defence. He's playing well though still. I wouldn't be concerned
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You would think they would still want Niemela QBing the top unit even with the additions. He crushed it for them last year.
 
Twine Tickler said:
To be honest, I didn't know any of those instances. I will say though, drug use, specifically cocaine, in pro hockey is very common. I am not 100% sure what the hazing incidents included and if there were potential lawsuits to come from it. That would definitely get you blacklist by a lot of teams. His skill would not be worth the headache of a lawsuit and bad PR for the club. But if it were just your standard drug use I am confident that is not why he didn't make the NHL.

Ultimately the way I see it, without knowing the full story, it sounds like Bracco didn't make the NHL because his skill didn't warrant the potential backlash. I think teams saw him as a top-6 or bust, and the fact that he wasn't proving himself to be a viable option in that regard made him less worth the potential bad PR that would come from a bad hazing incedent. If he were good enough, he'd be in the NHL, no question about it. Just look at Tony D'angelo, Evander Kane and the opposite of that skill Jake Virtanen. NHL teams will take baggage if the skill warrants it. His skill didn't
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Sad story .. after McJesus .. for many years he looked like da best 97 on skill alone but bottom line he did not have enough speed which got more exaggerated each year as he aged
 
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