Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

[notdoneyet]

I think the problem with Liljegren is that he's kind of like Rielly he's a puck-moving defenceman and when the game is tight with no space and the intensity and physicality picks up (which is playoff hockey) they disappear and start turning the puck over etc. because their afraid of getting hit because that style of play is the furthest thing from how they play the game. When the forechecking is good from opposing teams and the game is played on the boards or the corners they get outworked and outmuscled in the corners and lose the puck more than they gain it. This also applies when it comes time to move and clear guy's away from the front of the net which Rielly and Liljegren do not accel at.

At least Holl could hold his own on the boards and won't get outmuscled as easily, he's more physical and say what you want about Holl but he's definitely better defensively than Rielly and Liljegren. Those are things that you need come playoff time having one Rielly out there is bad enough we don't need two. I think Liljegren is better than Rielly but unless he waives his NMC Rielly isn't going anywhere so we have to use him, I'd move Rielly and use Liljegren instead but doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

There is nothing physical about holl
He is the softest big man in the league
He is also sloe

 

[NCoRe]

Should we try to pry Ryan Bischel to sign with us too ? Im not into our g depth for next season. Woll should be backup next year and then have Hildeby/Bischel for Marlies. Not a fan of Petruzzelli either.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

So. You are saying a guy who was on the cusp of being washed out of the league and required a 3rd round pick and some retention to get rid of will now, after a relatively successful season in net, one less year on his contract, and retention already applied will cost a 1st to get rid of?

I've typed that exact post so many times now.

Same type of posters are always talking about how Dubas is gonna spend 15 million on marner and 15 million on Matthews (who is also simultaneously leaving for sure) but turn around and tell leafs fans about how we are definitely losing in the first round and Dubas will be fired.

So is he fired or is he giving out massive contracts to everyone? The answer is that it doesn't matter! It's always worst case scenario no matter what and that is what they pretend is 100% most likely to occur, even if it contradicts other predictions of doom.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Should we try to pry Ryan Bischel to sign with us too ? Im not into our g depth for next season. Woll should be backup next year and then have Hildeby/Bischel for Marlies. Not a fan of Petruzzelli either.

Not really sold on Bischel. He is the same age as Petruzzelli, and while he did have some success last year (albeit as a backup), being so much older than his competition and not being particularly big (6'1") does not really work in his favour that much.

Rather just go with Hildeby and Petruzzelli while adding a 3rd guy with some NHL experience (which could even be Kallgren since he is waiver exempt next year, although I would hope for someone better). Or running with Cavallin and adding another AHL contract goalie to play with McKay in the AHL, if we decide to save the contract spot.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Not really sold on Bischel. He is the same age as Petruzzelli, and while he did have some success last year (albeit as a backup), being so much older than his competition and not being particularly big (6'1") does not really work in his favour that much.

Rather just go with Hildeby and Petruzzelli while adding a 3rd guy with some NHL experience (which could even be Kallgren since he is waiver exempt next year, although I would hope for someone better). Or running with Cavallin and adding another AHL contract goalie to play with McKay in the AHL, if we decide to save the contract spot.

I'm actually quite happy with our goaltending prospects. None of them look at this time to be A+ studs just yet but there are some very encouraging numbers.

 

[NJG]

There is nothing physical about holl
He is the softest big man in the league
He is also sloe

As opposed to Rielly and Liljegren he is more physical. I didn't say he was Tom Wilson I said in comparison to Rielly and Liljegren he's more physical than both of them. His big body alone makes him automatically better than Rielly and Liljegren in the corners and on the boards regardless if he's physical or not.

 

[notdoneyet]

As opposed to Rielly and Liljegren he is more physical. I didn't say he was Tom Wilson I said in comparison to Rielly and Liljegren he's more physical than both of them. His big body alone makes him automatically better than Rielly and Liljegren in the corners and on the boards regardless if he's physical or not.

I would argue that lilly gets more involved physically than holl
Reilly is just as soft as holl

 

[Byron Bitz]

As opposed to Rielly and Liljegren he is more physical. I didn't say he was Tom Wilson I said in comparison to Rielly and Liljegren he's more physical than both of them. His big body alone makes him automatically better than Rielly and Liljegren in the corners and on the boards regardless if he's physical or not.

You know Rielly is about 20 pounds heavier than Holl, right?

 

[NJG]

You know Rielly is about 20 pounds heavier than Holl, right?

I was referring to Holl being 6'3 when I said big body. Regardless it doesn't change anything, just because Rielly weighs more doesn't mean he's stronger. Rielly is built like a Phil Kessel.

 

[ULF_55]

Holl isn't a prospect or Marlies player.

He is a NHL defender, just is annoying at times.

...

What I want to know is when we're gonna see some overseas transfers?

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Holl isn't a prospect or Marlies player.

He is a NHL defender, just is annoying at times.

...

What I want to know is when we're gonna see some overseas transfers?

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east

 

[Byron Bitz]

I was referring to Holl being 6'3 when I said big body. Regardless it doesn't change anything, just because Rielly weighs more doesn't mean he's stronger. Rielly is built like a Phil Kessel.

throughout his career Rielly has been a major gym rat. He is an absolute unit and might be the strongest guy on the team. Going back to the draft Where he tested near the top of many of the strength categories at the Combine. He may not throw many hits but he does use that strength to box guys out and clear the crease.

 

[kerk]

new reason to watch the marlies

 

[ULF_55]

new reason to watch the marlies

And it begins ...

Roni and Topi should be joining soon enough.


So is he getting an AHL deal for the rest of the season? Can't read twitter right now.

 

[grapes55]

If it's a future ELC does that mean he'll go the ATO route with the Marlies for this season?

EDIT: yes he will be!

 

[kerk]

And it begins ...

Roni and Topi should be joining soon enough.


So is he getting an AHL deal for the rest of the season? Can't read twitter right now.

yep, though ATO not AHL contract afaik

 

[hockeynorth]

new reason to watch the marlies

sickkkk

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[The Iceman]

Physically he's mature enough to hold his own .. you'd be dumb to not give him the opportunity to make an impact.

The question lingering is that can his game be reliable enough when it counts? That is can he be responsibly enough defensively while making a positive impact at the other of the ice.

Would you trust a rookie or Kerfoot?
Kerfoot made 2 game changing blunders in last years playoffs.

 

[The Iceman]

They got it in 2011 in the Kaberle trade but dealt it to the Ducks so the Leafs got Biggs and the Ducks ended up with Rackell. Im not sure if they would have had any Rackell interest under Burkie but the 30th and 39th they gave up could have been Saad and Jenner who were more his type.

Pretty sure moving up to get Biggs cost us Rackell and goalie John Gibson as the Ducks draft choices.

O-U-C-H......the price of testosterone

 

[Martin Skoula]

Pretty sure moving up to get Biggs cost us Rackell and goalie John Gibson as the Ducks draft choices.

O-U-C-H......the price of testosterone

Put some respect on Tyler “high floor guaranteed 3rd liner” Biggs name, the man scored 18 in the ECHL once.

 

[The Iceman]

I think the problem with Liljegren is that he's kind of like Rielly he's a puck-moving defenceman and when the game is tight with no space and the intensity and physicality picks up (which is playoff hockey) they disappear and start turning the puck over etc. because their afraid of getting hit because that style of play is the furthest thing from how they play the game. When the forechecking is good from opposing teams and the game is played on the boards or the corners they get outworked and outmuscled in the corners and lose the puck more than they gain it. This also applies when it comes time to move and clear guy's away from the front of the net which Rielly and Liljegren do not accel at.

At least Holl could hold his own on the boards and won't get outmuscled as easily, he's more physical and say what you want about Holl but he's definitely better defensively than Rielly and Liljegren. Those are things that you need come playoff time having one Rielly out there is bad enough we don't need two. I think Liljegren is better than Rielly but unless he waives his NMC Rielly isn't going anywhere so we have to use him, I'd move Rielly and use Liljegren instead but doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

I disagree with Reilly disappearing in the playoffs...strongly.

I am turning in to a negative Reilly fan overall but there is no questioning how hard and well he has played in the playoffs for us.

 

[nuck]

Would you trust a rookie or Kerfoot?
Kerfoot made 2 game changing blunders in last years playoffs.

He can't be less productive than Kerf has been the last two months. I am stunned how badly even Kampf is outproducing AK. They won't replace him but it might not hurt to sit him for a couple games to see if he can get a bit of a mental reset.

 

[The Iceman]

He can't be less productive than Kerf has been the last two months. I am stunned how badly even Kampf is outproducing AK. They won't replace him but it might not hurt to sit him for a couple games to see if he can get a bit of a mental reset.

And it is vomit inducing seeing Kerfoot listed as the 1st line LW game after game.......

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I was referring to Holl being 6'3 when I said big body. Regardless it doesn't change anything, just because Rielly weighs more doesn't mean he's stronger. Rielly is built like a Phil Kessel.

What ? He’s a Specimen . Doesn’t use his strength to his advantage the majority of the time but he’s certainly in shape . Couldn’t be further from Kessel build ( who consequently always seemed to do pretty well in the team fitness evaluations) …