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Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2021/22 PART II

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Lemontree said:
Why? He has been in charge of the draft since 2017. Sandin and Liligren are the only players to get somewhat regular shifts in the NHL and neither have played enough games yet to be considered "graduated" to full time NHLers as of yet.
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I can't believe 2 things here about this board. Firstly Dubas has been in charge since 2018 not 2017. Secondly, yes NHL results are what matters but I'm talking about progression. A lot of his prospects have progressed. I rather have prospects progressing then the other way around. While Hunter's haven't.
 
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Kiwi said:
I don't care

This organization has the financial resources to sort this out this off-season and do what's best for Amirov's development and make Ufa whole in the process because this cannot be allowed to continue

Either Ufa agrees to play the kid and our doctors have some access to him (which is best for everybody involved) or he's made aware it's in his best interests to get to NA and play with the multiple other Russians in our AHL team
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LOL wdym you don’t care?! If it’s in the CBA, there are KHL/NHL agreements for a reason. it doesn’t matter how much money you throw at the situation: it’s not going to change.
 
Its also entirely possible the leafs are fine with Amirov's situation right now, if they weren't they wouldn't have loaned him there in the first place. He'll be fine.
 
hockeynorth said:
Its also entirely possible the leafs are fine with Amirov's situation right now, if they weren't they wouldn't have loaned him there in the first place. He'll be fine.
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They might not have thought it would work out this way... hard to say whether they are happy or not.

The amount of prospects at LW though....

Amirov
Robertson
Knies
Holmberg
 
francis246 said:
LOL wdym you don’t care?! If it’s in the CBA, there are KHL/NHL agreements for a reason. it doesn’t matter how much money you throw at the situation: it’s not going to change.
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He's signed his ELC with us and is being loaned to Ufa, LOANED so he's our property still

So the only language that matters is how that loan agreement is worded and I'd be reasonably surprised if we haven't got some language in there that allows us to change things if we aren't happy with what's happening development wise with Amirov
 
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Everyone seems really on edge in here.
Why so down on Amirov?
Sure, Mercer is playing great at a premium position, also Guhle and Schneider are looking fine.
But Rodion also looked great in preseason.
He was over here with the Leafs working with Belfry last offseason.
Gets into a freak accident, and one that really limits how much cardio you can safely do for upwards of months. There’s very low likelihood he isn’t in touch with both teams’ medical staff, and both have vested interest in him doing well.

There hasn’t been anything at all from him being unhappy at all, same for the Leafs. Why stress if the direct stakeholders aren’t stressed. Hopefully, the situation will look completely different in a week or two and he is dominating and progressing in a huge way.
 
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Kiwi said:
He's signed his ELC with us and is being loaned to Ufa, LOANED so he's our property still

So the only language that matters is how that loan agreement is worded and I'd be reasonably surprised if we haven't got some language in there that allows us to change things if we aren't happy with what's happening development wise with Amirov
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So I went to go look up the situation. It sounds like the agreement between Amirov, Leafs and Ufa is that if he’s in the NHL he stays, if he’s not he goes to Russia. So I wouldn’t expect him on North American ice until 2023.

I don’t see the leafs being the type of team to pull a player away from where he is most comfortable and I also don’t see them rushing him to the NHL just to get him to stay in North America because he’ll just leave and not report to the Marlies if they try and send him down. So it’s a lose lose situation for them. Don’t love it, but it’s the way it is.

additionally this is just a couple people on HF Boards making a big deal out of nothing. He’s happy, no reports Ufa isn’t happy with him as a player. He’s likely practicing hard, training and getting looked after. He’s going to be A okay.
 
francis246 said:
So I went to go look up the situation. It sounds like the agreement between Amirov, Leafs and Ufa is that if he’s in the NHL he stays, if he’s not he goes to Russia. So I wouldn’t expect him on North American ice until 2023.

I don’t see the leafs being the type of team to pull a player away from where he is most comfortable and I also don’t see them rushing him to the NHL just to get him to stay in North America because he’ll just leave and not report to the Marlies if they try and send him down. So it’s a lose lose situation for them. Don’t love it, but it’s the way it is
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We are all speculating baselessly, as to whether he's currently satisfied, and whether the Leafs are currently satisfied. That he was before this year, and that the Leafs were before this year, doesn't mean things can't change.
 
francis246 said:
So I went to go look up the situation. It sounds like the agreement between Amirov, Leafs and Ufa is that if he’s in the NHL he stays, if he’s not he goes to Russia. So I wouldn’t expect him on North American ice until 2023.

I don’t see the leafs being the type of team to pull a player away from where he is most comfortable and I also don’t see them rushing him to the NHL just to get him to stay in North America because he’ll just leave and not report to the Marlies if they try and send him down. So it’s a lose lose situation for them. Don’t love it, but it’s the way it is
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Here's the thing, that was fine since everybody was getting what they wanted out of that loan agreement

Amirov was playing and saw significant time in the KHL, which was an excellent outcome for all 3 parties involved, that is no longer happening

That is a bad outcome for at least 2 of the 3 parties even if Amirov doesn't want to leave home

Also how do you know he wouldn't report to the Marlies? Things have changed for him and I can't imagine not playing is a laugh a minute

It may very well be his best chance of development and advancement right now because Ufa looks pretty bleak
 
Kiwi said:
Here's the thing, that was fine since everybody was getting what they wanted out of that loan agreement

Amirov was playing and saw significant time in the KHL, which was an excellent outcome for all 3 parties involved, that is no longer happening

That is a bad outcome for at least 2 of the 3 parties even if Amirov doesn't want to leave home

Also how do you know he wouldn't report to the Marlies? Things have changed for him and I can't imagine not playing is a laugh a minute

It may very well be his best chance of development and advancement right now because Ufa looks pretty bleak
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I mean he and his agent requested the clause, NHL and if not KHL. I’m obviously assuming he won’t report. But by all accounts it sounds like he rather be with Ufa or a KHL team than the Marlies. Again none of his reports sounds like he’s unhappy. It just sounds like he’s coming off injury, he’s gotta earn his way back into the line up, which I think we both believe he will and eventually contribute.
 
Fogelhund said:
We are all speculating baselessly, as to whether he's currently satisfied, and whether the Leafs are currently satisfied. That he was before this year, and that the Leafs were before this year, doesn't mean things can't change.
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for sure, there’s no way to really know. I’m just inferring based on the reports and even SDA’s comments too. So there may be some smoke to the narrative that Russians do prefer KHL compared to AHL. But then again if he’s not playing maybe he accepts a larger role with the Marlies next year. It’s gonna be a waiting game regardless
 
francis246 said:
So I went to go look up the situation. It sounds like the agreement between Amirov, Leafs and Ufa is that if he’s in the NHL he stays, if he’s not he goes to Russia. So I wouldn’t expect him on North American ice until 2023.

I don’t see the leafs being the type of team to pull a player away from where he is most comfortable and I also don’t see them rushing him to the NHL just to get him to stay in North America because he’ll just leave and not report to the Marlies if they try and send him down. So it’s a lose lose situation for them. Don’t love it, but it’s the way it is.

additionally this is just a couple people on HF Boards making a big deal out of nothing. He’s happy, no reports Ufa isn’t happy with him as a player. He’s likely practicing hard, training and getting looked after. He’s going to be A okay.
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Amirov has signed his ELC Leafs sign Amirov to three-year ELC - TSN.ca
He also signed a 1 year contract extension with UFA Maple Leafs 2020 first round pick signs extension in Russia | Markerzone.com
It is the Leafs plan ( according to Chris Johnson) to keep him with UFA in 22-23 if he is not a Maple Leaf by that time
. Last April). However, there is no language that says they must do so.
 
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francis246 said:
it’s too bad the CBA doesn’t allow that, it gives the player the power. There is literally nothing the leafs can do unless Amirov and Ufa mutually agree to terminate the contract and good luck with that happening. Russian players love being in Russia and they hate the AHL

EDIT: only way I could be wrong is if he’s on loan to Ufa, and is signed to an ELC with Toronto. Then I’m not sure how that shakes out and Toronto could have more say
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He's signed an ELC and he's on loan, not sure what power that leaves the leafs. Honestly don't seeing Dubas strong-arm a KHL team because they have a good relationship with most Russian teams I believe, but being signed to the ELC gives them the opportunity to bring him in the summer and get him playing in the prospect tournament and train with the big boys.

I hope he's got the mindset to want to get in extra on-ice work when his KHL season comes to an end, maybe even join the Marlies down the stretch or in the playoffs. I'll reserve judgement and I'm hoping I'm wrong but he should be in the top 6 on the Marlies and he should be damn near a PPG player to match the hype, that's my expectations the way he's being hyped up in here
 
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VanW27 said:
Are you honestly comparing Amirov with Kaprizov? Both Russian and played on the same KHL team as 18/19 year-olds but that's where any comparison ends really. The circumstances of them both "taking time to come over" are completely different, Karpizov wanted to finish his KHL contract and step into the NHL as a star.

Amirov is still struggling to find ice time in the KHL as a 20 year old, Kaprizov was a KHL star as a 19 year old and was a full time KHLer as a 17 year old.


Ufa careers at the same age:
18YO
Kaprizov 53GP, 11G, 16A, 27pts
Amirov 21GP, 0G, 2A, 2pts

19YO
Kaprizov 49GP, 20G, 22A, 42pts
Amirov 39GP, 9G, 4A, 13pts
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He was comparing the fact it took Kaprizov a long time to come over. That's it, that's all. Complete overreaction by you.
 
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chamchibap said:
Everyone seems really on edge in here.
Why so down on Amirov?
Sure, Mercer is playing great at a premium position, also Guhle and Schneider are looking fine.
But Rodion also looked great in preseason.
He was over here with the Leafs working with Belfry last offseason.
Gets into a freak accident, and one that really limits how much cardio you can safely do for upwards of months. There’s very low likelihood he isn’t in touch with both teams’ medical staff, and both have vested interest in him doing well.

There hasn’t been anything at all from him being unhappy at all, same for the Leafs. Why stress if the direct stakeholders aren’t stressed. Hopefully, the situation will look completely different in a week or two and he is dominating and progressing in a huge way.
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Every few years we go through this. We should have picked this player instead of this

Remember Kadri over Magnus Pallarvi

I remember
 
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fahad203 said:
Every few years we go through this. We should have picked this player instead of this

Remember Kadri over Magnus Pallarvi

I remember
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:laugh:

I think the last time i felt that way was way back with Korshkov over Debrincat and Hart, which is pretty crazy

Felt that way with Barnes over Suggs for the Raptors but he proved me wrong reaaally quick:laugh:
 
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