Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[Stephen]

If we wanted to keep him, we would have kept him. They didn't see enough to warrant extending him. He's a nice AHL piece, but not a NHL piece, so better to move on. That's how projects work...or don't. Same with Ho Sang.... didn't see enough, good luck somewhere else. Bellows improved some, but really doesn't have NHL level skating. Long stretches of nothing too... I think two stretches of six games with no points.

Wouldn’t have cost the organization anything to sign him to a rich AAAA deal and finish what they started.

 

[Fogelhund]

Wouldn’t have cost the organization anything to sign him to a rich AAAA deal and finish what they started.

They did finish what they started though. Try him out, to see if he had NHL quality. They didn't think he did... so they didn't extend him. Heck, they didn't even give him a contract until the last minute when they needed to last year.

 

[Thornbury]

What are the marlies lines looking like right now? I’ve got:



Steeves - Minten - Grebyonkin

Abruzzese - Quillan - Tverberg

Hirvonen - Pare - Voit

Clifford - Kressler - X



Webber - Niemala

Mermis - Myers

Kokkonen - Villeneuve

Chadwick/Mattinen/Rifai



Murray/Hidelby/Akhtiamov

Chadwick can't play with the Marlies this year. Still had junior eligibility

 

[WTFMAN99]

Chadwick can't play with the Marlies this year. Still had junior eligibility

Also would not be surprised at all if Murray cleared waivers on paper and basically travelled with the big club as E-bug / practice guy.

 

[Joe n]

Yeah, doesn't sound like they want him to be a defensive center.

Not sure he has it in him to go all offense though.

By the way, he'll turn 20 tomorrow.

6'2", 194 lb.

They asked him to concentrate on his defensive game last year.

 

[SprDaVE]

Nice to see Muzzin get involved. Does he have an official role yet?

 

[Stephen]

Nice to see Muzzin get involved. Does he have an official role yet?

The idea of him developing the next generation of Jake Muzzin’s is a nice thought.

 

[ULF_55]

The idea of him developing the next generation of Jake Muzzin’s is a nice thought.

Be nice if Cade and Ben turn into Tanev.

 

[SprDaVE]

42 minutes of Cowan

 

[horner]

Chadwick has been invited to WJC team tryouts dint thin he will make it.
I like it

 

[ULF_55]

Chadwick has been invited to WJC team tryouts dint thin he will make it.
I like it

The invite has to be great for his confidence.

Sleeper agent.

 

[Anthrax442]

Nice to see Muzzin get involved. Does he have an official role yet?

He was a scout last season

 

[kerk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809275023636722010

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809296455557062978

seems about right. bunch of guys who could play games but realistically not many (if any) guys who are gonna turn out to be stars.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

The invite has to be great for his confidence.

Sleeper agent.

They have an exhibition showcase game in Windsor, against Sweden, in a couple weeks. I'm hoping he plays. I've got tickets

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809275023636722010

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809296455557062978

seems about right. bunch of guys who could play games but realistically not many (if any) guys who are gonna turn out to be stars.

A product of attempting to contend. Cyclical is all

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809275023636722010

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809296455557062978

seems about right. bunch of guys who could play games but realistically not many (if any) guys who are gonna turn out to be stars.

Not surprised.

 

[Gilmour1996]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809275023636722010

Ottawa not doing too well.

 

[Thornbury]

Ottawa not doing too well.

That is extraordinary given how lousy they've been the past number of years. Really seems to be a poorly run organization.

 

[darrylsittler27]

If Danford develops into a 2nd pair RHD the draft was a success.
Same guy was probably handing out a D- this point last year after the Cowan choice.

One thing that I have noticed with Knies, Cowan and now Danford is compete level and second half stats are weighed more heavily in the final drafting decision.
I have heard Danford had an amazing playoff run and although not known as a scorer he potted 4 goals in 21 playoff game vs 1 goal in 64 regular season games.

This seems to be the case here too.

They have to be because these guys are growing and developing as the season goes. You are projecting boys who will be men in 2 years when they mature.

 

[darrylsittler27]

1. Cowan
2. Grebenkin
3. Niemela
4. Hildeby
5. Minten
6. Danford
7. Tverberg
8. Hirvonen
9. Kokkonen
10. Voit

Danford being a first rounder puts him as more likely to play. I have him above Niemela and any other dman we have right now.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Danford being a first rounder puts him as more likely to play. I have him above Niemela and any other dman we have right now.

I don't have him there yet because until he shows something at the higher levels, I can't put him ahead of Niemela. Niemela played top minutes in a pro league against men in Finland, was named best d man at the WJC and has shown well in the AHL

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

You're missing Logan Shaw up front and Clifford is a UFA yet to re-sign


Additional Marlies contracts (most will be down with Cincy, but some other options)

F: Matthew Barbolini, Jacob Frasca, Mathieu Gosselin, Marko Sikic

D: Matt Anderson, Jacob Bengtsson, Chas Sharpe

Anything to see in Matt Anderson? Had three assists in his cup of coffee with the Marlies and had big numbers in his first two seasons in the ECHL.

 

[weems]

Very cool post was made in the By The Numbers section that highlights draft record.

Here is how they ranked it from 2013 to 2023.

Here is a link to the thread.

Grading each NHL team's draft performance

I've created a tool that, building on a some previous work (see Acknowledgements below), allows us to score each NHL team's draft performance. Basically, for each NHL draft pick 1 through 200ish we can look at the average number of NHL games played by each pick. Schuckers notices that there's...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[Skullz]

I think I would be interested in exploring trading Minten. I love the kid and his compete level, but I’m not sure that the offence is there, and if it isn’t, then what he brings can be found in FA.
Seems like the guy some GM’s would overrate. I would only do it if we can can get something better though.


Maybe I’m totally wrong on him though. I hope so.

 

[nuck]

I think I would be interested in exploring trading Minten. I love the kid and his compete level, but I’m not sure that the offence is there, and if it isn’t, then what he brings can be found in FA.
Seems like the guy some GM’s would overrate. I would only do it if we can can get something better though.


Maybe I’m totally wrong on him though. I hope so.

I don't think you would get an asset back that any real upside. I wouldn't trade him for another 2nd round pick. He needs to show growth from last year but he doesn't have to grow to have the NHL physical package. At this point he looks a lot like Ryan McLeod who was an NHL regular at 22 and was just traded for Matthew Savoie. I wouldn't be in a hurry to move on unless he was part of a larger package.

 

[Knies iT]

I don't have him there yet because until he shows something at the higher levels, I can't put him ahead of Niemela. Niemela played top minutes in a pro league against men in Finland, was named best d man at the WJC and has shown well in the AHL

That all sounds nice, but Niemela suffers from the same weaknesses he did 3-4 years ago.

Slight frame, struggles with a heavy/hard forecheck, and has suspect pass accuracy on breakouts. Those flaws get exposed at the NHL level more than they do in Europe/AHL/U20 tournaments.

Danford's skating is better in all four directions. Better defensively (far far better in-zone), more capable of dishing/receiving physical play and is similarly deceptive with the puck. I don't think Niemela's offense is dynamic enough to compensate for some of the flaws.