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Maple Leafs prospect Victor Johansson is turning heads in Sweden
You never know what type of value you'll find outside of the top 100 i...theleafsnation.com
I must say I was not impressed with the pick at the time and I'd wait until he gets into the SHL fulltime and see how he does there... But it's nice to see him do well for sure. He's a long-term project with a lot of tools.
Marlies up today at 7pm hosting the Hershey Bears.
With Minten and Steeves up, might see some new looks in the top six.
I’ll guess at Tverberg lining up with Shaw and Abruzzese, and hoping Greb and Quillan line up with Alex Nylander, though Roni H will likely factor in.
Braedan Kressler might jump up too. Like Quillan, he’s looked good in his minutes, but doesn’t have the numbers, and lined up at C on Sunday.
With Minten and Steeves up, might see some new looks in the top six.
I’ll guess at Tverberg lining up with Shaw and Abruzzese, and hoping Greb and Quillan line up with Alex Nylander, though Roni H will likely factor in.
Braedan Kressler might jump up too. Like Quillan, he’s looked good in his minutes, but doesn’t have the numbers, and lined up at C on Sunday.
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How do the Leafs compare with the rest of the league over the last few years in terms of quantity and quality? What's the criteria of "drafting well"?
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So how did the opinion that their drafting hasn't been good come up... Who and what is the comparable?
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I just looked at our past years to see how many NHLers to part time NHLers we turned out.
2012 - 3
2013 - 4
2014 - 3-4
2015 - 3
2016 - 5
2017 - 1
2018 - 3-6
2019 - 1-2
2020 - 1 (projected)
2021 - 1
2022 - 3 (projected)
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Subjective, but to me it is ultimately producing quality NHLers relative to # of picks, particularly with picks outside the lottery.
Excluding William Nylander, Mitch Marner, Auston Matthews
2014 - 5 picks, 2 NHLers: Dakota Joshua, Pierre Engvall
2015 - 8 picks, 1 NHLer: Travis Dermott
2016 - 10 picks, 2 NHLers: Carl Grundstrom and Joseph Woll
2017 - 7 picks, 1 NHLer: Timothy Liljegren
2018 - 9 picks, 3 NHLers: Rasmus Sandin, Sean Durzi, Pontus Holmberg
2019 - 6 picks, 1 NHLer (sort of?): Nick Robertson
2020 - 12 picks, 0 NHLers so far
2021 - 3 picks, 1 NHLer: Matthew Knies
Too early for 2022-2024.
So from 60 draft picks that were not lottery selections, from 2014-2021 they basically produced this:
Knies-Engvall-Joshua
Grundstrom-Holmberg-Robertson
Sandin-Durzi
Dermott-Liljegren
Woll
So one guy who looks like a legit first liner in Knies, one solid middle-six guy in Joshua, four tweener type forwards, one bonafide top-4 D in Durzi, a couple tweener D-men in Sandin and Liljegren, and a replacement level D in Dermott. Then a 1B platoon goalie.
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Not sure it's fair to exclude Marner and Nylander off the list. Many players before and after have been big time duds in their respective drafts. Hell even Matthews as a #1 pick, could have been Laine if they were bad at drafting. So many teams struggle to pick top talent in the top 10 of drafts.
Sandin is definitely a top 4 defenseman right now, so not sure he's a tweener. Liljegren still needs to show a little more.
Either way, I think this is more or less fine. You're not going to draft NHLers with every pick. It's not great by any means but some talent found almost every draft, sometimes great talent.
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Sure, but I think it shows real drafting skill when you hit on non-lottery picks. When you consider the volume of picks we had from 2015-2018 and how little we produced, it's disappointing. We should've had a wave of depth players to bridge the gap from cap casualties, like the system that Tampa had feeding them for so long.
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Montreal Canadiens are No. 1 in TSN's annual NHL team ranking of U-24 players | TSN
Bolstered by a group of five players born outside Canada, the NHL's all-time Stanley Cup leader has a core of young players projected to be as strong as or better than any in the league.
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Interesting... Akhtyamov ahead of Hildeby on this ranking? No Minten, no Robertson... strange.
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I f***in love this kids attitude as much as I love the way he plays.
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Montreal Canadiens are No. 1 in TSN's annual NHL team ranking of U-24 players | TSN
Bolstered by a group of five players born outside Canada, the NHL's all-time Stanley Cup leader has a core of young players projected to be as strong as or better than any in the league.
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Interesting... Akhtyamov ahead of Hildeby on this ranking? No Minten, no Robertson... strange.
Yeah tha't's weird. I like AA but seems high to be over Minten and Hildeby at the very least
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because he was a good selection and that goes against the narrative? Like how many 4th overall players are f***ing awful but we aren't allowed to count Marner either, as though it was some sort of slam dunk pick.
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Remember that a lot of folks, most notably and vociferously, Don Cherry, who thought the Leafs should take Ritchie over Willy. It was good drafting not to go that route!
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There's no 'narrative' mate, I clearly said in my post the focus was non lottery/depth selections.
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Montreal Canadiens are No. 1 in TSN's annual NHL team ranking of U-24 players | TSN
Bolstered by a group of five players born outside Canada, the NHL's all-time Stanley Cup leader has a core of young players projected to be as strong as or better than any in the league.
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Interesting... Akhtyamov ahead of Hildeby on this ranking? No Minten, no Robertson... strange.
Because it’s a poor researched list
Hildeby is ahead of AA … and probably rightfully at #4 with Minten, Robertson, and Danford behind him
Robertson is slipping because of his NHL showing this year .
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Marlies come back again to win 4-3 in OT. They trailed 3-0 after 1. Abruzzese with the OT winner. Kressler and Hirvonen each with an assist. Hildeby 21 saves
I think the coach really likes Kressler.
Moved him up between RoniH and ALexStyles by the second period.
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Kressler has impressed me pretty well every time I've seen him this year. I did not expect him to be on the Marlies, I expected him to be in the ECHL. Only 1 point so far (tonight) but he works and stands out.
He's been like a poor man's Trevor Moore.
That’s high praise cause moores got a motor
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