Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[SprDaVE]

Actually Super, if he gets to 55+ it absolutely counts! He just has to keep going for another 39 games this season.....

That's only 91 straight over 2 seasons!

lol fair enough

 

[SprDaVE]

Maple Leafs prospect Victor Johansson is turning heads in Sweden

You never know what type of value you'll find outside of the top 100 i...

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I must say I was not impressed with the pick at the time and I'd wait until he gets into the SHL fulltime and see how he does there... But it's nice to see him do well for sure. He's a long-term project with a lot of tools.

 

[aingefan]

Marlies up today at 7pm hosting the Hershey Bears.
With Minten and Steeves up, might see some new looks in the top six.
I’ll guess at Tverberg lining up with Shaw and Abruzzese, and hoping Greb and Quillan line up with Alex Nylander, though Roni H will likely factor in.
Braedan Kressler might jump up too. Like Quillan, he’s looked good in his minutes, but doesn’t have the numbers, and lined up at C on Sunday.

 

[Stringer Bell]

Based on stats, we really haven't been drafting very well the last few years.

That 2020 draft - 12 picks! Artur Akhtyamov is the only one who is intriguing at this point.

2019 - Robertson?

 

[SprDaVE]

Based on stats, we really haven't been drafting very well the last few years.

How do the Leafs compare with the rest of the league over the last few years in terms of quantity and quality? What's the criteria of "drafting well"?

 

[Stringer Bell]

How do the Leafs compare with the rest of the league over the last few years in terms of quantity and quality? What's the criteria of "drafting well"?

You tell me. I'm just a fan with a personal opinion.

 

[SprDaVE]

You tell me. I'm just a fan with a personal opinion.

So how did the opinion that their drafting hasn't been good come up... Who and what is the comparable?

 

[Stringer Bell]

So how did the opinion that their drafting hasn't been good come up... Who and what is the comparable?

I just looked at our past years to see how many NHLers to part time NHLers we turned out.

2012 - 3
2013 - 4
2014 - 3-4
2015 - 3
2016 - 5
2017 - 1
2018 - 3-6

2019 - 1-2
2020 - 1 (projected)
2021 - 1
2022 - 3 (projected)

 

[1specter]

How do the Leafs compare with the rest of the league over the last few years in terms of quantity and quality? What's the criteria of "drafting well"?

Subjective, but to me it is ultimately producing quality NHLers relative to # of picks, particularly with picks outside the lottery.

Excluding William Nylander, Mitch Marner, Auston Matthews
2014 - 5 picks, 2 NHLers: Dakota Joshua, Pierre Engvall
2015 - 8 picks, 1 NHLer: Travis Dermott
2016 - 10 picks, 2 NHLers: Carl Grundstrom and Joseph Woll
2017 - 7 picks, 1 NHLer: Timothy Liljegren
2018 - 9 picks, 3 NHLers: Rasmus Sandin, Sean Durzi, Pontus Holmberg
2019 - 6 picks, 1 NHLer (sort of?): Nick Robertson
2020 - 12 picks, 0 NHLers so far
2021 - 3 picks, 1 NHLer: Matthew Knies

Too early for 2022-2024.

So from 60 draft picks that were not lottery selections, from 2014-2021 they basically produced this:

Knies-Engvall-Joshua
Grundstrom-Holmberg-Robertson

Sandin-Durzi
Dermott-Liljegren

Woll

So one guy who looks like a legit first liner in Knies, one solid middle-six guy in Joshua, four tweener type forwards, one bonafide top-4 D in Durzi, a couple tweener D-men in Sandin and Liljegren, and a replacement level D in Dermott. Then a 1B platoon goalie.

 

[SprDaVE]

Subjective, but to me it is ultimately producing quality NHLers relative to # of picks, particularly with picks outside the lottery.

Excluding William Nylander, Mitch Marner, Auston Matthews
2014 - 5 picks, 2 NHLers: Dakota Joshua, Pierre Engvall
2015 - 8 picks, 1 NHLer: Travis Dermott
2016 - 10 picks, 2 NHLers: Carl Grundstrom and Joseph Woll
2017 - 7 picks, 1 NHLer: Timothy Liljegren
2018 - 9 picks, 3 NHLers: Rasmus Sandin, Sean Durzi, Pontus Holmberg
2019 - 6 picks, 1 NHLer (sort of?): Nick Robertson
2020 - 12 picks, 0 NHLers so far
2021 - 3 picks, 1 NHLer: Matthew Knies

Too early for 2022-2024.

So from 60 draft picks that were not lottery selections, from 2014-2021 they basically produced this:

Knies-Engvall-Joshua
Grundstrom-Holmberg-Robertson

Sandin-Durzi
Dermott-Liljegren

Woll

So one guy who looks like a legit first liner in Knies, one solid middle-six guy in Joshua, four tweener type forwards, one bonafide top-4 D in Durzi, a couple tweener D-men in Sandin and Liljegren, and a replacement level D in Dermott. Then a 1B platoon goalie.

Not sure it's fair to exclude Marner and Nylander off the list. Many players before and after have been big time duds in their respective drafts. Hell even Matthews as a #1 pick, could have been Laine if they were bad at drafting. So many teams struggle to pick top talent in the top 10 of drafts.

Sandin is definitely a top 4 defenseman right now, so not sure he's a tweener. Liljegren still needs to show a little more.

Either way, I think this is more or less fine. You're not going to draft NHLers with every pick. It's not great by any means but some talent found almost every draft, sometimes great talent.

 

[1specter]

Not sure it's fair to exclude Marner and Nylander off the list. Many players before and after have been big time duds in their respective drafts. Hell even Matthews as a #1 pick, could have been Laine if they were bad at drafting. So many teams struggle to pick top talent in the top 10 of drafts.

Sure, but I think it shows real drafting skill when you hit on non-lottery picks. When you consider the volume of picks we had from 2015-2018 and how little we produced, it's disappointing. We should've had a wave of depth players to bridge the gap from cap casualties, like the system that Tampa had feeding them for so long.