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To call a 3/4 center untouchable is ridiculous no matter how you slice it. Knies and Cowan, sure.
I didn't say he is untouchable. He might be to the Leafs. You would rather the go out and sign some guy free agency and pay him 3 million to do what Minten can do.
 
Oh wow, I must have been completely wrong about the ECHL this whole time.

I always thought it was a league of never-wases and never-will-be's. I didn't realize how many star players come out of there every year. I can't wait for the next "hidden gem" to be unearthed.

The next Gretzky is just waiting to be discovered.

This critique is just lazy.

A league doesn't have to be capable of producing the best player in hockey history to be useful from a development pov.

You're just doubling/tripling down on a bad take at this point
 
He's going to be in tough to make the Leafs next year even if he is ready, plenty of good competition

I think because of his age, it's either OHL or NHL for him right?

About the best thing that could happen is he is the captain for Team Canada...maybe a 9 game stint to start the year?
 
I think because of his age, it's either OHL or NHL for him right?

About the best thing that could happen is he is the captain for Team Canada...maybe a 9 game stint to start the year?
Yeah, no AHL option

I don't love the 9 games, I'd rather the kid get a full pre season with London or make the Leafs and stick
 
This critique is just lazy.

A league doesn't have to be capable of producing the best player in hockey history to be useful from a development pov.

You're just doubling/tripling down on a bad take at this point

It might appear that way.

To an extent you might even be right. I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me. But it's also clear I'm not the only one who doesn't see much value in the ECHL.

ML$E doesn't appear to have much use for it either.
 
It might appear that way.

To an extent you might even be right. I certainly wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me. But it's also clear I'm not the only one who doesn't see much value in the ECHL.

ML$E doesn't appear to have much use for it either.
How do you know that the have had an affiliate ECHL team since the 1992-93 season. They likely will continue to have an affiliate - not in Newfoundland obviously.
 
How do you know that the have had an affiliate ECHL team since the 1992-93 season. They likely will continue to have an affiliate - not in Newfoundland obviously.

Because if they truly valued the ECHL as a development league they would invest more into it than just sending their low level chumps not even good enough for the AHL team to play for them.

Unless they are somehow paying these teams to develop their players for them then they are taking them all for a free ride.
 
Because if they truly valued the ECHL as a development league they would invest more into it than just sending their low level chumps not even good enough for the AHL team to play for them.

Unless they are somehow paying these teams to develop their players for them then they are taking them all for a free ride.
The ECHL serves as lower than AHL development league. As has already been pointed out to you, some decent players have come through the league including the Leafs Bobby McMann.
 
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The ECHL serves as lower than AHL development league. As has already been pointed out to you, some decent players have come through the league including the Leafs Bobby McMann.

My comment reflects that, yes: "sending their low level chumps not even good enough for the AHL team".

I know there have been players that have made the NHL that played in the ECHL. This isn't groundbreaking news. My whole point, if you have been following the thread, is that the ECHL is a struggling league that is being held back by the OHL transfer agreement, and until I see NHL teams lobbying to change that, then I'll stick to the belief they don't see the ECHL as much a valuable development league as some might think.

I don't expect anyone to agree me either.
 
My comment reflects that, yes: "sending their low level chumps not even good enough for the AHL team".

I know there have been players that have made the NHL that played in the ECHL. This isn't groundbreaking news. My whole point, if you have been following the thread, is that the ECHL is a struggling league that is being held back by the OHL transfer agreement, and until I see NHL teams lobbying to change that, then I'll stick to the belief they don't see the ECHL as much a valuable development league as some might think.

I don't expect anyone to agree me either.
Your view is your view I have no objection to it. I objected to it was your claim the MLSE shares your view.
Though the idea that you knew that players made the NHL from the ECHL was ground breaking news for you. You believed it was a league of "never-wases and never-will-Be's (sic)".
 
Your view is your view I have no objection to it. I objected to it was your claim the MLSE shares your view.
Though the idea that you knew that players made the NHL from the ECHL was ground breaking news for you. You believed it was a league of "never-wases and never-will-Be's (sic)".

And for the most part, that's exactly what it is, has been, and always will be.

A handful of players playing a handful of NHL games doesn't change that.
 
And for the most part, that's exactly what it is, has been, and always will be.

A handful of players playing a handful of NHL games doesn't change that.
I suppose, I have to concede that point as most players who are signed by the teams are at their highest level that they will play. Though that can be said for every league. It is overwhelmingly drafted prospects that will move up the levels though not exclusively. It is the same for every level.
 
He's going to be in tough to make the Leafs next year even if he is ready, plenty of good competition

I really don't think there is plenty of good competition, unless Grebyonkin comes over.

If you mean there might be several Marlies who are more mature, not as talented, not as gifted, not with the same drive, but more experienced yes.

Who have been the call-ups this year? Steeves 1 game?

Their Marlies prospects look underwhelming, and not top 6 capable.

Will Cowan be ready? I don't know. I'd say if they are looking for top 6 though, they aren't likely finding it on the Marlies. Maybe Quillan has top 6 potential, hard to know, but yes he is 22 years old, so physically more mature. I don't know, Quillan, just watched a highlight package that included him and mates, but he seemed to be beneficiary of plays not the creator. Obviously, highlight packages don't show 200 foot game, they usually are like 50' from the net inward.

Cowan will only be 19, and not a lot of 19 year olds in the league.
Yes, he can continue to learn and develop in the OHL, if it is required. This is where the CHL-NHL agreement with regards to AHL deployment comes up short.
 
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And for the most part, that's exactly what it is, has been, and always will be.

A handful of players playing a handful of NHL games doesn't change that.
Still wrong, still quadrupling down. :laugh: I mean stubborn AF, I'll give you that.

ECHL, or leagues like it, will be producing NHL players, long after most of us stop posting here.
 
I really don't think there is plenty of good competition, unless Grebyonkin comes over.

If you mean there might be several Marlies who are more mature, not as talented, not as gifted, not with the same drive, but more experienced yes.

Who have been the call-ups this year? Steeves 1 game?

Their Marlies prospects look underwhelming, and not top 6 capable.

Will Cowan be ready? I don't know. I'd say if they are looking for top 6 though, they aren't likely finding it on the Marlies. Maybe Quillan has top 6 potential, hard to know, but yes he is 22 years old, so physically more mature. I don't know, Quillan, just watched a highlight package that included him and mates, but he seemed to be beneficiary of plays not the creator. Obviously, highlight packages don't show 200 foot game, they usually are like 50' from the net inward.

Cowan will only be 19, and not a lot of 19 year olds in the league.
Yes, he can continue to learn and develop in the OHL, if it is required. This is where the CHL-NHL agreement with regards to AHL deployment comes up short.
For me one of the big things that will make it tough for Cowan is, despite LW being a bit of a weakness for us, it's the area where we have a lot of young players.

Knies is a lock in the top 9. McMann will be on the team. Robertson is no longer waiver exempt next year. That's 3 LW spots, all to guys with under 100 games NHL experience. Holmberg is another in the mix with under 100 games, although a C/W. I believe his waiver exemption has now expired as well.

Regardless of fans opinions "good" teams typically want some veteran experience in that mix as well. It will be tough to make the team for Cowan.

Of course injuries and trades could see that picture change.
 
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