Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

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Highest scoring u-21 seasons in the KHL. Greb at 9, so far

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[TH]AGE[/TH]
[TH]TEAM[/TH]
[TH]GP[/TH]
[TH]G[/TH]
[TH]A[/TH]
[TH]TP[/TH]
[TH]PPG[/TH]
[TH]PIM[/TH]
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[TD]1.[/TD]
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Vladimir Tarasenko (RW)[/TD]
[TD]2011-2012[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]totals[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]0.87[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
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[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]
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Danila Yurov (RW/C) Minnesota Wild[/TD]
[TD]2023-2024[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Metallurg Magnitogorsk[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]0.80[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
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[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]
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Anatoli Golyshev (RW)[/TD]
[TD]2015-2016[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]0.79[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
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[TD]4.[/TD]
[TD]
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Yevgeni Kuznetsov (C)[/TD]
[TD]2012-2013[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Traktor Chelyabinsk[/TD]
[TD]51[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]0.86[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]-1[/TD]
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[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]
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Kirill Kaprizov (LW)[/TD]
[TD]2016-2017[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Salavat Yulaev Ufa[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]0.86[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
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[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]
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Yevgeni Kuznetsov (C)[/TD]
[TD]2011-2012[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Traktor Chelyabinsk[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD]0.84[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
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[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]
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Marat Khusnutdinov (C/LW) Minnesota Wild[/TD]
[TD]2022-2023[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]SKA St. Petersburg[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD]0.65[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
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[TD]8.[/TD]
[TD]
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Kirill Kaprizov (LW)[/TD]
[TD]2017-2018[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]CSKA Moskva[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]0.87[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
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[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]
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Nikita Grebyonkin (LW/RW) Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]2023-2024[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Metallurg Magnitogorsk[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]0.61[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
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[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]
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Matvei Michkov (RW) Philadelphia Flyers[/TD]
[TD]2023-2024[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]totals[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD]0.84[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]-7[/TD]
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[TD]
12.[/TD]
[TD]
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Pavel Buchnevich (RW/LW)[/TD]
[TD]2015-2016[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]totals[/TD]
[TD]58[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]37[/TD]
[TD]0.64[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]-6[/TD]
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[TD]13.[/TD]
[TD]
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Eeli Tolvanen (RW/LW)[/TD]
[TD]2017-2018[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Jokerit[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]0.73[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
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[TD]15.[/TD]
[TD]
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Yevgeni Kuznetsov (C)[/TD]
[TD]2010-2011[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Traktor Chelyabinsk[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]0.73[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
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[TD]16.[/TD]
[TD]
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Artemi Panarin (LW)[/TD]
[TD]2011-2012[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]totals[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]0.62[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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I’m excited for him but that’s a deceiving list. Based on points per game he would be off the page.
 
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I don't think anyone is legitimately suggesting that Toronto is going to play 6-7 ELCs next year on the regular. That isn't necessary for them to fix the d-core and be cap compliant.

Knies is staple in the lineup. One of Robertson / Holmberg is likely to remain a staple in the lineup. The Domi spot will likely be filled by another established player at the same / similar price point. McMann (who will be 28) likely gets extended for family cheap.

What we're really talking about is adding 2 ELCs and / or cheap vets to the every day forward group, to replace Bertuzzi and Kampf's combined $7.9 million, for approximately $1.9, allowing the other $6.0 million to be spent on the defense corps.

All we need is 1 of Cowan, Minten, Grebenkin and Steeves to be ready to play regular minutes. A cheap veteran could take the second spot if there isn't a 2nd prospect that is ready.

Brodie and Klingberg's combined $9.1 million will be added to approximately $6.0 million saved by ditching Bertuzzi and Kampf. That gives you approximately $15.1 million to add 2 D-men and extend Liljegren and Benoit, or add 3 D-men, trade Lijegren and extend Benoit.

Regardles, we should see...

Rielly-Addition
Addition-Lijegren or Addition
Benoit-McCabe

There is more than enough money in the pool to make that happen and there might even be a couple million left to upgrade Domi to a Wennberg type.

ideally, for me it would be something like...

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Robertson / Grebenkin-Tavares-Nylander
FA-Wennberg-Jarnkrok
Holmberg-Minten-McMann

Rielly - FA (6.5)
FA- (5.5) - Liljegren (3.0)
Benoit (1.2) - McCabe (2.0)

Samsonov
Woll
SAMsonov won't be back, especially at $3.5 million.
 
I’m excited for him but that’s a deceiving list. Based on points per game he would be off the page.
However, he'd be right there with ... sorry someone beat me to it ... Panarin.

Mind you Panarin was a goon.

Edit ... He might actually, still be on the page, but he'd be 16th. and Panarin would move up 1 spot to 15th.
 
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I love how people want to dump Kampf meanwhile he is one of the best defensive forwards on a team that has few defensive forwards and sucks on the PK... I can promise you the Leafs have no plans to get rid of him. What the Leafs need is to better support Kampf with players who can help cover up for his weaknesses. Holmberg helps a lot but Reaves exacerbates his weaknesses.When the team is healthy I think McMann - Kampf - Holmberg could be good.
 
He drops down to 20 something for under 21 seasons which puts him between Buchnevich and a bunch of guys we have never heard of.

I think a Buchnevich outcome would be a more realistic but still hopeful ceiling which would be amazing for where he was picked.
 
Spending a pick to get rid of Kampf to open up some cap space might not be the worst idea ever but the likely outcome would be signing a replacement who costs similar money only for us to realize that doesn't work out either and now we want to pay picks to get rid of them too. A lot of medium level UFA signings don't work out, they're older and tend to get too much as they start producing diminishing returns.

Didn't people correctly complain about Dubas for this? Signing Mrazek, trading down to get rid of him only to bring in Murray who we thankfully had a injury means to go away instead of having to repeat history? Like sure, ideally you move out money to make room for the correct move but the correct move isn't always obvious. I'm sure Treliving thought he was making the correct move when he resigned Kampf.
 
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You can probably trade Kampf without giving up a pick. May have to throw in some random spare pieces on the Marlies in the worse case.

I would just trade him for another slightly overpaid player who is more useful to the Leafs.
 
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Cowan at #37... which isn't bad given where he was drafted, and that he's younger than most on the list.

Couldn’t ask for more out of a late first. Playing in all situations is the most important factor imo, that he’s developing the range of skills that can allow him to phase into higher levels.

But, Button lists him as a RW….he was drafted as a C….is a left hand shot. Where has he been lining up for London? Handedness isnt the be all end all determining effectiveness on a side of the ice, but it would be pretty useful if he could play both wings and maybe some C (given the youth on the left side already).

Where’s his likely to end up?
 
But Callum Ritchie at 6th..

I saw that too.. Ritchie is a good prospect but he’s not significantly more valuable than Cowan. I’d put them on similar levels.

Button also voted Matthews 5th the year he won the Hart (only 4 others out of 193 total votes did so). He’s definitely not someone we should take seriously when it comes to leaf related things.
 
The odds of Brad being involved with drafting Cowan is close to ~1% imo.

I'm sure the scouts made this pick
The scouts made “Dubas” picks too.

Watch the Blueprint ep on the Knies selection. Dubas was close to trading the pick and deferred to them on Knies.

But the GM gets credit for that nonetheless because it’s still their call. Some, like Burke for instance, would be overly involved in the decision.
 
The scouts made “Dubas” picks too.

Watch the Blueprint ep on the Knies selection. Dubas was close to trading the pick and deferred to them on Knies.

But the GM gets credit for that nonetheless because it’s still their call. Some, like Burke for instance, would be overly involved in the decision.

Unfortunately, Burke was too involved, especially at the North American NHL hockey draft in 2011.

Best 2011 pick Josh Leivo?
 
I saw that too.. Ritchie is a good prospect but he’s not significantly more valuable than Cowan. I’d put them on similar levels.

Button also voted Matthews 5th the year he won the Hart (only 4 others out of 193 total votes did so). He’s definitely not someone we should take seriously when it comes to leaf related things.

Button put St.Louis on waivers, left Calgary and signed with Tampa

Button also traded away promising young goalie JS Giguere to the Ducks for a 2nd round pick in order to protect Fred Brathwaite in the 2000 expansion draft

Button later traded Marc Savard to the Atlanta Thrashers for Ruslan Zainullin. He never played a game in the NHL.

I think we all know about St.Louis, Giguere and Savard

Button is someone that cannot take seriously as a GM or as an authority on anything hockey related.
 
I think Cowans ranking is fine enough. Button does seem to be trying to craft a persona as the contrarian Leaf hater on TSN but don't think this is really an example of that.
 
Button put St.Louis on waivers, left Calgary and signed with Tampa

Button also traded away promising young goalie JS Giguere to the Ducks for a 2nd round pick in order to protect Fred Brathwaite in the 2000 expansion draft

Button later traded Marc Savard to the Atlanta Thrashers for Ruslan Zainullin. He never played a game in the NHL.

I think we all know about St.Louis, Giguere and Savard

Button is someone that cannot take seriously as a GM or as an authority on anything hockey related.
I'm not too worried... that Cowan made the list at all, given his age, and where he was drafted, is excellent.... and if we believe that Button has discounted him, and he should be ranked higher... that's nice too. Having said that, these rankings aren't very important, and have no correlation to how these kids will perform in the NHL. We did well with that pick.

Did anyone notice that Shane Wright is ranked lower thank Cowan? Ooof.
 
I'm not too worried... that Cowan made the list at all, given his age, and where he was drafted, is excellent.... and if we believe that Button has discounted him, and he should be ranked higher... that's nice too. Having said that, these rankings aren't very important, and have no correlation to how these kids will perform in the NHL. We did well with that pick.

Did anyone notice that Shane Wright is ranked lower thank Cowan? Ooof.

Oh the rankings mean nothing.

Cowan has made me go out of my way to see some Knights games, he's electric.

I don't know what the final product is gonna be.
 
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I'm not too worried... that Cowan made the list at all, given his age, and where he was drafted, is excellent.... and if we believe that Button has discounted him, and he should be ranked higher... that's nice too. Having said that, these rankings aren't very important, and have no correlation to how these kids will perform in the NHL. We did well with that pick.

Did anyone notice that Shane Wright is ranked lower thank Cowan? Ooof.
Yeah I was looking at Wright's stats earlier. Disappointing numbers from a kid that was supposed to go 1st overall in his draft
 
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