Prospect Info: Marlies & Prospect Discussion

[baton elevated]

Does Minten remind any of a young Gainey? Tall, good skater, defensively responsible leadership qualities but doesn't score much.

 

[Fogelhund]

Does Minten remind any of a young Gainey? Tall, good skater, defensively responsible leadership qualities but doesn't score much.

To me, that's where I'd see Minten as likely ending up.... mostly 30-40 point guy, maybe a couple of years a bit higher, but everything else you say. That would be a great outcome for us, if he was as good on the defensive side as a Gainey too.

 

[leafers]

If Minten turns into a stajan we should be thrilled.

Jack of all trades and master of none.
Nothing to be thrilled about.

 

[ACC1224]

Jack of all trades and master of none.
Nothing to be thrilled about.

1000 game players are a dime a dozen.

 

[leafers]

1000 game players are a dime a dozen.

Doesn’t change the fact that he was vanilla and didn’t have much of an impact.

You can be an average player and still play 1000 games under the right circumstances, not a good indicator of how good a player was.

 

[ULF_55]

Doesn’t change the fact that he was vanilla and didn’t have much of an impact.

You can be an average player and still play 1000 games under the right circumstances, not a good indicator of how good a player was.

~35% of 2nd. rounders play 99 games.

Leafs picks that played 1,000 games.

I'd take any of these careers for that pick.

List of NHL players with 1,000 games played - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The National Hockey League (NHL) is a major professional ice hockey league which operates in Canada and the United States. Since its inception in 1917–18, 388 players have played at least 1,000 regular season games, varying in amounts between Patrick Marleau's 1,779 to Bernie Federko's 1,000. Of these players, a number have been inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. From 1961 until being surpassed by Marleau on April 19, 2021, the record for most games played was held by Gordie Howe, who played 1,767 games. A player who reaches the milestone is awarded a silver stick.[1]

 

[ErnieLeafs]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Minten becoming a reliable two-way forward who wins draws, kills penalties, can play 12-14 minutes a night, and has some leadership qualities. Sounds like the kinda player we could use on the third line right now.

 

[Judas Tavares]

One thing about prospects. They don't all have to be blue chippers. I think sometimes that is forgotten.

Like yes the Sharks for example, they need all the blue chippers they can get as they are rebuilding and hoping to start a new era of success. I mean they have Will Smith who I think will be great, we will see what Eklund becomes. But they need more and that should happen next draft.

The leafs. Well blue chippers would be nice. But the team got them and still have them. Their top players. We always complain that there is no depth. Where does depth usually come from? Players who were prospects but not blue chippers that developed into what was expected of them.

Rather than constantly needing a 3rd line centre and ponying up assets for one, why not develop one in potentially Fraser Minten? He doesn't need to be a 70 point player. Just needs 30-40 and have other attributes such as two-way ability. You already have your guys that get 70 points and many more. Let's surround them.

Only projected as a 3rd line centre? A number 4 or 5 dman? Great!! Then you have one young and cheap, you aren't constantly trying to plug holes. If someone is only projecting as good as Robertson or Holmberg when you can barely field a team, ya that is trouble. If you already have a core and need to build around them. Great, you are producing elements you need. Keep doing that.

 

[capfit9]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Minten becoming a reliable two-way forward who wins draws, kills penalties, can play 12-14 minutes a night, and has some leadership qualities. Sounds like the kinda player we could use on the third line right now.

agreed, I don't think you can expect him to be an offensive catalyst on his line but if he can fill a two way 3rd line center role that would be solid but I think he needs some seasoning in the AHL.

 

[ULF_55]

agreed, I don't think you can expect him to be an offensive catalyst on his line but if he can fill a two way 3rd line center role that would be solid but I think he needs some seasoning in the AHL.

Most players need seasoning, but at the same time they're waiver exempt.

Be nice to able to yo-yo players without worrying about losing them on waivers.

Minten/Hirvonen

 

[Leaf Fans]

Jack of all trades and master of none.
Nothing to be thrilled about.

Sure, if you ignore the second half of the proverb- though oftentimes better than master of one.

 

[LeafParade]

I was kind of hoping for Minten to be similar or slightly poorer version of Anthony Cirelli.
He also doesn't' score much and averages about 0.5 points per game the last few years.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Cowen with the apple as Bonk opens the scoring in Kitchener.

 

[weems]

Cowen with the apple as Bonk opens the scoring in Kitchener.

15 game point streak now for Cowan

 

[Stephen]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Minten becoming a reliable two-way forward who wins draws, kills penalties, can play 12-14 minutes a night, and has some leadership qualities. Sounds like the kinda player we could use on the third line right now.

Let's just say Charlie Coyle and call it a day. Stajan was a pretty boring player.

 

[Sypher04]

Cowan #1 in the OHL in pts/g
He’s made a huge improvement from last year numbers.

 

[The Iceman]

~35% of 2nd. rounders play 99 games.

Leafs picks that played 1,000 games.

I'd take any of these careers for that pick.

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List of NHL players with 1,000 games played - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The National Hockey League (NHL) is a major professional ice hockey league which operates in Canada and the United States. Since its inception in 1917–18, 388 players have played at least 1,000 regular season games, varying in amounts between Patrick Marleau's 1,779 to Bernie Federko's 1,000. Of these players, a number have been inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. From 1961 until being surpassed by Marleau on April 19, 2021, the record for most games played was held by Gordie Howe, who played 1,767 games. A player who reaches the milestone is awarded a silver stick.[1]

because I will bash Montreal any chance I get.

trivia of the day.
who is the last Montreal Canadian to score 40 goals in a season?
Something Matthew’s has achieved by the all star break.


none other than Vinny Damphouse.
many many year ago.

 

[supermann_98]

Between Jarnkrok, Steeves, Tverberg, Holmberg, Minten, and Grebyonkin we have the basis for a cheap, bottom 6 energy line that can produce some offense while still being defensively responsible.

While I like the idea in theory and as exciting as these young players are, if we went with 4 or pretty much 5 NHL rookies in the bottom 6, if Holmberg still qualifies, our bottom 6 would be caved in every single night.

Now if we had a couple defenseman who could help move the puck and get these guys skating at speed in transition thru the neutral zone that would change things, but with the backend the way it is now it would be a struggle to ice 4 rookies, at least the first 40-50 games of the season when they (hopefully) catch up with NHL speeds. Ironically by that point they generally hit the rookie wall and the struggles may continue

because I will bash Montreal any chance I get.

trivia of the day.
who is the last Montreal Canadian to score 40 goals in a season?
Something Matthew’s has achieved by the all star break.


none other than Vinny Damphouse.
many many year ago.

Bro Cole Caufield is their Austin Matthews, at least that was talk in the off-season by Habs fans, who’d score more goals Matthews or Caufield

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

While I like the idea in theory and as exciting as these young players are, if we went with 4 or pretty much 5 NHL rookies in the bottom 6, if Holmberg still qualifies, our bottom 6 would be caved in every single night.

Just to be clear, I said bottom 6 energy line. That's one line with 3 players, not the entire bottom 6. I also meant integrating them eventually over time, not all at once. They're not even on the same time line developmentally so that would be unlikely.

 

[Mitch nylander]

How I see it:

Top 15 1st rounder- Impact player, either top 6 forward or top pair defensemen
Late 1st round Pick - Solid Roster Player 400+ games.
2nd rounder - Nhler with over 200 games played.
3rd on - Any level of NHler with games under their belt is a good pick

If Minten becomes a good 3c we should be pretty happy.

 

[DarkKnight]

To put Cowan's growth into perspective, he now has 7 more points in half as many games as his final total last year.

 

[4thline]

To put Cowan's growth into perspective, he now has 7 more points in half as many games as his final total last year.

It's wild. With his results and progression you'd think he should be making noise as a league wide top prospect, but....

OHL Top 10 by points per game

Musty / 05 / 2023 26th
Cowan / 05/ 2023 28th
Dvorsky/ 05/ 2023 10th
Ritchie/ 05 /2023 27th
Rehkopf/05/ 2023 50th
Barkey / 05/ 2023 95th
Romani /05/ 2023 Undrafted
Goyette /04/ 2022 61st
Greentree/ 06 / 2024
Parekh /06/ 2024

That's a remarkable concentration of U19/D+1 players, and outside of Dvorsky not a "top" pick among them. There's not a strong slate of higher drafted 05's and 04's to benchmark them against and validate their performance. Stretching outside of the top 10 you've got

12th Hayes /04/ 2022 66th
13th Mesar /04/ 2022 26th
19th Beck /04/ 2022 33rd
28th Ludwinski /04/ 2022 39th
29th Haight /04/ 2022 47th
32nd Barlow /05/ 2022 18th


So I think, whether deliberately or subconsciously the hockey world is faced with the conundrum of "did we sleep on everyone outside of Barlow from the 05 OHL class, or is the OHL weak this year?"

 

[Fogelhund]

""

Tverberg is now second in PPG for AHL rookies, for players who have more than 10 games under their belts.

Stankoven is the only player ahead of him at this point. Coronato, Savoie, Othmann, Lambert, Wright.... all players who have been less productive in their "rookie" years in the AHL.

Tverberg now has 25 points, in 23 games....

I don't know about you guys, but I didn't expect this out of him... Hopefully this translates to the NHL.

 

[ULF_55]

Let's just say Charlie Coyle and call it a day. Stajan was a pretty boring player.

Stajan was not a good top 6 player, but he played one on the Leafs.
Stajan was not a good top 6 player, but the Flames traded for one.

Flames management, and many fans, although originally misguided about who he was, respected and appreciated what he brought to the game.

Unless some buried dirt arises from history, you'd want a third liner with his character.

I wouldn't say boring, just not a saviour, nor someone you use on the top lines on a good team.

 

[StuckOutHere]

ya i'm thinking if Minten plays 1,000 games and gets 400 pts you can call that a pretty damn successful 2nd round pick and career?