Value of: Mark Scheifele for a #1 defenseman

[Huffer]

Forget the HF dissonance. A guy like Scheifele would be in high demand around the league and would return a boatload.

Exactly. If he's dealt he'll get more than the garbage offers in this thread.

 

[Mersss]

Exactly. If he's dealt he'll get more than the garbage offers in this thread.

He'd get a good return in futures / other contracts.

Not a #1dman

 

[Huffer]

He'd get a good return in futures / other contracts.

Not a #1dman

Which is what I said in post 124.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

There would need to be a pretty decent add to Chychrun to get Scheifele. 3 years of an okay 2nd pairing defenseman doesn't get two years of a PPG 1C on a bargain contract.

I don't have a target in mind. I'm one of the Jet fans that would prefer to keep Scheifele and see how he does with new coaches and systems. PPG 1C's are just way too rare and hard to find.

Hillarious and delusional. Chychrun instantly becomes the #1D with all the trash Winnipeg has on it’s blue line.

NHL teams would covet him more than Schiefeles lazy and indifferent arse.

 

[Jimmyjets]

He has 6 straight years of PPG or above play and has 2 more years at a $6.125M caphit.

Why would we consider trading this player before bringing in a new coach/system? The idea makes no sense unless he's quietly requested a trade.

I know this thread is about a #1D but really we should target a RHD prospect that would align with the next core if we moved him out.

 

[PJJJP]

Who has an extra #1D to spare? Your most likely gonna get a futures package for him centered on someone who has the potential to reach that status but hasn’t so far. Don’t know who has good D prospects but I’d start there

 

[KaosKommando]

Hate it initially, but just for fun -

how about Carlson and Eller for Scheifele?

Id see the context as in, Caps would go after Burns or Klingberg or another "cheaper" option for 1D themselves to make a huge splash in the offseason, if they get swept out again.

Ovie-Kuzy-Wilson
Mantha-Scheifele-Oshie
CMM-Backstrom-Sheary

Would make a pretty interesting top9

I don't think any team would give 1D for Scheifele to play on second line?

 

[tbcwpg]

I wonder if he goes to Nashville as they are loaded on D like always and could use a #2 centre. Schiefele would fit in their system and be forced to work on his defensive game.

Scheifele for Carrier one for one.

Just feels like trolling at this point

 

[Stephen]

The main issue I see with a Scheifele for 1D ask is basically that Winnipeg would be a motivated seller due to performance related issues. Even if you found a good match for a number one D in general age bracket, salary, etc. you might not have another team looking for a lateral move downgrading at one position to upgrade another. That's why star players are usually sold off for futures since you're getting back flexible assets and cap space.

 

[pth2]

Who has an extra #1D to spare? Your most likely gonna get a futures package for him centered on someone who has the potential to reach that status but hasn’t so far. Don’t know who has good D prospects but I’d start there

There's also that a #1D in his prime is just about unmovable, so the only way it happens is if it's someone either older (Jeff Petry* today) or a kid with potential on a team with a lot of depth on D (Seth Jones when traded to Columbus), in neither case were they clear #1D in their prime at the time.

In 2016 Subban could've gone for Draisatl and other juicy bits (Nurse, pick #4, etc.), which kind of shows a #1D in his prime costs a fortune in assets, ie, more than Scheifele on his own.

*: Just an example. Petry wants to leave Canada and the Habs don't want a headhunter who prefers giving concussions to stopping goals against. So not proposing anything here.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

A Girard-Scheifele swap might make sense for the Avs. They will hang up the phone is you ask for Byram though

Thats ok the phone was already Hung up the moment Girard was offered
Without Byram kick rocks

 

[Pongs21]

I wonder if he goes to Nashville as they are loaded on D like always and could use a #2 centre. Schiefele would fit in their system and be forced to work on his defensive game.

Scheifele for Carrier one for one.

you've got to be trolling at this point

 

[BB88]

Forget the HF dissonance. A guy like Scheifele would be in high demand around the league and would return a boatload.

Sure teams would be after him, but Jets wouldn’t get true price for him.

His reputation has taken a massive hit, outside of hf as well

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Sure teams would be after him, but Jets wouldn’t get true price for him.

His reputation has taken a massive hit, outside of hf as well

I don't believe that. At the end of the day he's skilled #1 center who is in his prime. Teams will be lining up.

 

[PJJJP]

I don't believe that. At the end of the day he's skilled #1 center who is in his prime. Teams will be lining up.

I do think Scheifele will return a lot but if your looking for a #1D there are few teams that have a surplus of them. You would need a team that has a hole in their center depth, has a surplus of good D, and is trying to contend or is on the verge of contention. Don't think there are many teams that fit those parameters.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

How about a potential number 1/2 D or Potential top 6 forward?

Don't shoot me fans of these teams but I am just spitballing

To Detroit for Edvinsson
To Buffalo for Quinn
To New Jersey for Holtz

Something like that and you build a trade that teams are comfortable with and want to make a change

 

[PJJJP]

How about a potential number 1/2 D or Potential top 6 forward?

Don't shoot me fans of these teams but I am just spitballing

To Detroit for Edvinsson
To Buffalo for Quinn
To New Jersey for Holtz

Something like that and you build a trade that teams are comfortable with and want to make a change

I can't speak for those fanbases but from an outside perspective don't think Detroit or Buffalo want to trade away assets for Scheifele when he is only signed for 2 more years and is already 29. Doesn't really fit in with their core timeline. No idea what NJ does

 

[Riseonfire]

uhhhh I don't think Scheif is worth a #1D. #1D men are like, ridiculously rare.

 

[Jimmyjets]

There's also that a #1D in his prime is just about unmovable, so the only way it happens is if it's someone either older (Jeff Petry* today) or a kid with potential on a team with a lot of depth on D (Seth Jones when traded to Columbus), in neither case were they clear #1D in their prime at the time.

In 2016 Subban could've gone for Draisatl and other juicy bits (Nurse, pick #4, etc.), which kind of shows a #1D in his prime costs a fortune in assets, ie, more than Scheifele on his own.

*: Just an example. Petry wants to leave Canada and the Habs don't want a headhunter who prefers giving concussions to stopping goals against. So not proposing anything here.

We both agree that it likely doesn't make sense to trade Schiefele at all if we plan to contend with this core and if we do trade him it would likely be a Johansson for Jones situation for a prospect D on the way up or it would end up being for a package of picks/players like Eichel or Duchesne.

As for the headhunter comment, this is a guy with 260 penalty minutes in 640 games. He gets called for a minor penalty every 5th game. I'm assuming that you're referencing the hit on Evans but 1) Evans needs to keep his head up there as Scheifele's presence should have been a deterrent for him to even try to score, 2) he hit him with his shoulder square in Evans chest as the primary point of contact, 3) he was a fraction of a second from preventing the goal as he made contact with Evans while he was still behind the goal line (the only reason he scored was because it was such a tidy tuck) 4) if Evans got up there wouldn't have even been a penalty on the play, nevermind a suspension that 5) luckily was the longest amount possible without being able to be appealed and extra lucky it was this guy that handed out the suspensions and didn't recuse himself from the process due to bias, real or perceived.

 

[pth2]

As for the headhunter comment, this is a guy with 260 penalty minutes in 640 games. He gets called for a minor penalty every 5th game. I'm assuming that you're referencing the hit on Evans but 1) Evans needs to keep his head up there as Scheifele's presence should have been a deterrent for him to even try to score, 2) he hit him with his shoulder square in Evans chest as the primary point of contact, 3) he was a fraction of a second from preventing the goal as he made contact with Evans while he was still behind the goal line (the only reason he scored was because it was such a tidy tuck) 4) if Evans got up there wouldn't have even been a penalty on the play, nevermind a suspension that 5) luckily was the longest amount possible without being able to be appealed and extra lucky it was this guy that handed out the suspensions and didn't recuse himself from the process due to bias, real or perceived.

Pionk tried to stop the goal getting scored. Scheifele went headhunting. He's pretty much all that is wrong with the sport.

 

[LMFAO]

At this point I’m expecting next someone will offer Petry for Scheif

 

[Jimmyjets]

Pionk tried to stop the goal getting scored. Scheifele went headhunting. He's pretty much all that is wrong with the sport.

If you don't hit a guy in the head I'm not sure how you consider that headhunting but you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong.

 

[Chainshot]

How about a potential number 1/2 D or Potential top 6 forward?

Don't shoot me fans of these teams but I am just spitballing

To Detroit for Edvinsson
To Buffalo for Quinn
To New Jersey for Holtz

Something like that and you build a trade that teams are comfortable with and want to make a change

Buffalo declines.

 

[pth2]

At this point I’m expecting next someone will offer Petry for Scheif

Petry doesn't want to play in Canada.

But Petry might be a fill-in option for whoever sends a #1 D to Winnipeg. Assuming whoever does this has a younger potential #1 D on the way, they might want a veteran around to give their kid a chance to grow into the role and not be thrust into it.

ie, a team with a 22 and a 28 year old might move the 28 year old for Scheifele but want a 34 year old Petry so the 22 year old isn't on his own.

 

[Hunter368]

At this point I’m expecting next someone will offer Petry for Scheif

Zero interest in Petry for Mark........