Value of: Mark Scheifele for a #1 defenseman

[BB88]

I don't believe that. At the end of the day he's skilled #1 center who is in his prime. Teams will be lining up.

You think hf fams are the only ones with concerns surrounding locker room rumours and lazy play?
Like nobody is writing about those things?

Scheifeles reputation has taken a massive hit, not just on hf

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Schiefele for Girard makes the most sense from both sides if Byram gets to 100% and looks healthy. I think Sakic goes after JT Miller this summer but if he can't get him, he will look to the Jets.

But I think Schiefele goes to Arizona in a deal for Jacob Chychrun especially since we all know Chychrun is being shopped. Schiefele would instantly be the best forward on the Yotes. And then maybe the Jets re-sign Andrew Copp this summer.

 

[PJJJP]

Schiefele for Girard makes the most sense from both sides if Byram gets to 100% and looks healthy. I think Sakic goes after JT Miller this summer but if he can't get him, he will look to the Jets.

But I think Schiefele goes to Arizona in a deal for Jacob Chychrun especially since we all know Chychrun is being shopped. Schiefele would instantly be the best forward on the Yotes. And then maybe the Jets re-sign Andrew Copp this summer.

Why would the Yotes want a 29 year old 1C for only 2 years when they are in a complete rebuild?

 

[Finnflash]

don’t really think there is a fit anywhere in regards to a trade partner. Might as well just keep shif

 

[93LEAFS]

No one is trading a true #1 for Schief right now, but its possible to get a potential 1D or a 1b/2a guy.

 

[pth2]

Why would the Yotes want a 29 year old 1C for only 2 years when they are in a complete rebuild?

As fans, we are fine with a rebuild from scratch to try and build the best team in 5 years, but GMs and owners want a team that's at least somewhat competitive.

 

[Bizz]

Scheifele, a legit #1C, I would think he could easily get the Jets a much needed #1 dman no? What's your offers?

Maybe Scheifele for Brent Burns and Kevin Labanc?

Deal.

Please submit the proper paperwork to the league offices.

in all seriousness I'd even add Ryan Merkley, who could become a #1D with proper development, which is probably not going to happen unless the Sharks' new GM cleans house at the NHL and AHL level.

 

[PJJJP]

As fans, we are fine with a rebuild from scratch to try and build the best team in 5 years, but GMs and owners want a team that's at least somewhat competitive.

They are not going to be more competitive with scheifele than with chychrun. At least with chychrun they have him for longer and he’s younger. I think they would rather keep him then deal him for scheifele

 

[Huffer]

Schiefele for Girard makes the most sense from both sides if Byram gets to 100% and looks healthy. I think Sakic goes after JT Miller this summer but if he can't get him, he will look to the Jets.

But I think Schiefele goes to Arizona in a deal for Jacob Chychrun especially since we all know Chychrun is being shopped. Schiefele would instantly be the best forward on the Yotes. And then maybe the Jets re-sign Andrew Copp this summer.

Absolute 0 sense for the Jets.

 

[biturbo19]

Brent Burns is thirty-six years old. The Jets will try their luck with younger players.

It's tricky acquiring a #1D, or any prominent player, because Winnipeg is not a destination. You have to get players who don't have NMC's and won't make a stink about playing in Winnipeg. That and Scheifele's lazy play has reduced his value so you won't get a strong 1D having a successful season. It will be a mutual change of scenery type of trade. A couple thoughts:

1 - Ivan Provorov. Similar contract, no NMC, having a bad year. Wasn't very good last year either so it's questionable if he's a real #1D or an upgrade on Morrissey, but hey Scheifele is a questionable #1C so that seems fair. You're going to be focused on the great tools and hope he benefits from the change of scenery.

I actually kinda like a Scheifele for Provorov swap from both ends. But at the same time...is Winnipeg really deep enough at Center to just ditch Scheifele and not replace him? Philly, i can see banking on the idea that Sanheim steps up, and York or someone fills the void. But from WPG end of things, how many more years can you really squeeze out of Stastny? He's getting old. And as mentioned, they're not generally a top destination for UFAs to go fishing for a Top-6 Center there.


But i do like it as a value fit, comparable players at different position swap, "hockey trade" deal. Needs make sense, Philly need a Center, Jets could use a top defenceman. And given where Provy played his Junior hockey, seems like he might be a viable candidate to be okay with staying there.

Just seems like it leaves a hole in the Jets roster that i'm not sure how they patch.

 

[Snowman]

I actually kinda like a Scheifele for Provorov swap from both ends. But at the same time...is Winnipeg really deep enough at Center to just ditch Scheifele and not replace him? Philly, i can see banking on the idea that Sanheim steps up, and York or someone fills the void. But from WPG end of things, how many more years can you really squeeze out of Stastny? He's getting old. And as mentioned, they're not generally a top destination for UFAs to go fishing for a Top-6 Center there.


But i do like it as a value fit, comparable players at different position swap, "hockey trade" deal. Needs make sense, Philly need a Center, Jets could use a top defenceman. And given where Provy played his Junior hockey, seems like he might be a viable candidate to be okay with staying there.

Just seems like it leaves a hole in the Jets roster that i'm not sure how they patch.

It doesn't make sense for Winnipeg, the Jets have zero need for another LD. Especially one with a pretty bad contract.

 

[datsyukfan]

What about from Detroit

Detroit gets:

Scheifele + Schmidt

Winnipeg gets:

Det 22 1st round pick (9 overall)
Hronek
Wallinder
Det 23 2nd round pick

Wings adding scheifele + Schmidt addresses 2 big needs at C and LD.

 

[Captain97]

Petry is unfortunately on the decline. He's not the same without Weber.

Don't know if that's true, since MSL took over he has looked better. Still a 2-3 dman in reality. Not the borderline 1 he was before though.

 

[Snowman]

What about from Detroit

Detroit gets:

Scheifele + Schmidt

Winnipeg gets:

Det 22 1st round pick (9 overall)
Hronek
Wallinder
Det 23 2nd round pick

Wings adding scheifele + Schmidt addresses 2 big needs at C and LD.

That is a certain no from Winnipeg. Unneeded players and picks, even though the 1st is nice, don't get Chevy talking.

 

[Hunter368]

What about from Detroit

Detroit gets:

Scheifele + Schmidt

Winnipeg gets:

Det 22 1st round pick (9 overall)
Hronek
Wallinder
Det 23 2nd round pick

Wings adding scheifele + Schmidt addresses 2 big needs at C and LD.

Decent value......but still creates the problem of how do you trade a 1C PPG player and get no center back in the trade? IMO thinking Cole P is ready for 2C duties might be a bit early. PLD is clearly ready for 1C duties & extra prime PP time etc. I mean the Jets could run with Stats at 2C for one year, while Cole develops further.......but I'm not sure I love the idea overall. Plus Jets don't need more LD prospects, sooner have a decent forward prospect.

 

[ps241]

No one is trading a true #1 for Schief right now, but its possible to get a potential 1D or a 1b/2a guy.

I agree with you on this. I am trying to think of trades in the past like this where a potential #1 D man was traded for middling #1 center. I think Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen at the time might have at lease resembled this scenario except Johansen was younger. I think Schiefele is a good risk for a team to take. He was really effective when Wheeler was in his prime. With a new coach and a true play driver on his wing he can play the #1 centre role well again IMO. He has become complacent and really REALLY needs a change of scenery. His offense is hard to trade for in a center he just needs a coach and team that holds him accountable and a place where he has less power. Trading for real talent is tough. Guys like Scheifele or Sam Reinhart are worth a risk IMO.

Mark has driven me crazy this season but I was always a huge Schiefele fan and he played very well for years he’s just in a rut and needs a change of scenery. I am not sure what he would yield but a team would be buying the Scheifele stock at a good time. Honestly I think he is trying to play his way out of town and any new team is getting a different player than we are watching this season.

What he yields I can’t really say but we’ll see if we find out.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

2016 -> over ppg player, so there at least points...

82 > 79
61 > 60
84 > 82
73 > 71
63 > 56
70 > 67

then in 29 play-offs games
30 play-offs points, in that span

 

[broc]

Sam Girard?
Alex Carrier?
Holtz?
Jeff Petry? Lol
Burns and Labanc?

These Scheif offers are laughable.
If he ever “hits the market” so to speak, the return will be far more than the downspeak with dribble offers posted in here.

yeah he might not have the best D this year, but that stuff can be managed and coached. He is killer on the PP and a top line center you jabronis.

Also 29 goals and 70 pts in 67 games in one of his bad years, lol. And on one of the best contracts in the league for 2 more seasons still. If Winnipeg ever decided to rebuild/retool with him, and decided to retain on Mark… teams could theoretically have him for like a $3.06275 mil cap hit. He would return a ransom even without that.

never change, HF boards

 

[Extra Texture]

A Girard-Scheifele swap might make sense for the Avs. They will hang up the phone is you ask for Byram though

That would be a hell of a move. I dont know why WPG would go for it, since it helps a division rival in their moment of need.

But from the Avs perspective, replacing Kadri with Scheif (for a net increase of .6M in cap) would be an incredible move. And at that point, they probably have ample financial room to hang on to Manson, Burakovsky, Nichushkin, etc, and barely skip a beat.

 

[PJJJP]

Sam Girard?
Alex Carrier?
Holtz?
Jeff Petry? Lol
Burns and Labanc?

These Scheif offers are laughable.
If he ever “hits the market” so to speak, the return will be far more than the downspeak with dribble offers posted in here.

yeah he might not have the best D this year, but that stuff can be managed and coached. He is killer on the PP and a top line center you jabronis.

Also 29 goals and 70 pts in 67 games in one of his bad years, lol. And on one of the best contracts in the league for 2 more seasons still. If Winnipeg ever decided to rebuild/retool with him, and decided to retain on Mark… teams could theoretically have him for like a $3.06275 mil cap hit. He would return a ransom even without that.

never change, HF boards

I said it in a previous post but if Winnipeg trades him it will be for a more futures package that contains a D that potentially plays on the top pairing but hasn't reached that potential. Don't think many teams would trade a #1D when there are so few of them. Also gotta keep in mind that Scheifele is only signed for 2 more years after this one and is 29 so the team trading for him would have to be a contender or a team right on the cusp. All of those conditions make it very hard to find a perfect match for Scheifele

 

[broc]

I said it in a previous post but if Winnipeg trades him it will be for a more futures package that contains a D that potentially plays on the top pairing but hasn't reached that potential. Don't think many teams would trade a #1D when there are so few of them. Also gotta keep in mind that Scheifele is only signed for 2 more years after this one and is 29 so the team trading for him would have to be a contender or a team right on the cusp. All of those conditions make it very hard to find a perfect match for Scheifele

Being 29 years old isn’t a deterrent for any team that is contending/wanting to contend right now. He’s got 3-4 years of high level play in him likely at least.

I also would challenge that it would be hard to find a “perfect match“ for Scheifele. I don’t buy the whole “#1 defenceman“ in return thing, but as I said.. he is already on one of the best deals in the entire league at 6.125 cap hit for 2 more seasons. If the Jets were incentivized or motivated to retain %50 on him, there is probably not a single team in the league that wouldnt be able to fit him in- and quite easily at that.

Imagine if Tampa added him next year at trade deadline, or Florida? For 2 more Cup runs. I can see NYR really liking a Schiefele at 3.06 mil cap hit. Vegas? Carolina? Teams on the cusp or really contending would love an impact center at 3 mil.

Multiple teams would not be afraid to pay a mint (and they would). There would easily be multiple bidders and the return would be HIGH, despite what some of the naysayers who are embarrassing themselves in this thread think.