Value of: Mark Scheifele for a #1 defenseman

[teoberto]

A Girard-Scheifele swap might make sense for the Avs. They will hang up the phone is you ask for Byram though

 

[Field of Dreams]

I’ve been trying to promote awareness of Scheifele’s absolute lack of defensive effort for a couple years now and at his age - I don’t think it’s like “oh he’s gonna start trying again on a different team”. I think he is what he is. And part of that is that he’s a one-dimensional center who probably should not be the 1A alpha leader on a Cup-aspiring team.

All of that said - he’s still a phenomenal offensive center and - this is the biggest part of his *current* appeal - he makes only $6.125 million for two more seasons - which despite his warts is a bargain. There are a lot of contending teams who would salivate to add his production at that cap hit. His biggest value is his contract because lots of good teams can find the space for that…it’s #1 center production for #2 center cap hit.

Now I can say there’s zero chance I want any part of his next contract when he’s 31 and probably even more lazy defensively than he is now - but for the next couple of seasons, he’s a really attractive asset…especially for a contending team looking to add real offensive punch and maybe you already have a strong leadership nucleus and defensive system/personnel in place which helps mitigate his flaws to some degree.

That's a good point on his contract. Although he may lack that defensive effort, you're getting alot of player for 6.1m.

I still wouldn't trade a 1d for him, but for a team on the cusp that wants to run a 1a/1b centre tandem, I think scheif would be a good target.

As you touched upon, it's definitely scary for any team that would like to extend him beyond this contract, he clearly isn't on an ideal trajectory career wise.

 

[93LEAFS]

Brent Burns is thirty-six years old. The Jets will try their luck with younger players.

It's tricky acquiring a #1D, or any prominent player, because Winnipeg is not a destination. You have to get players who don't have NMC's and won't make a stink about playing in Winnipeg. That and Scheifele's lazy play has reduced his value so you won't get a strong 1D having a successful season. It will be a mutual change of scenery type of trade. A couple thoughts:

1 - Ivan Provorov. Similar contract, no NMC, having a bad year. Wasn't very good last year either so it's questionable if he's a real #1D or an upgrade on Morrissey, but hey Scheifele is a questionable #1C so that seems fair. You're going to be focused on the great tools and hope he benefits from the change of scenery.

2 - Seth Jones. Bad contract but he's a better player. 10-team NTC but maybe he'd be eager to get away from the Chicago rebuild. Oh and he leads Hawks D in xGF% Rel. Not having a bad season.

If an American-born player has a 10 team NTC, there is like a 95% chance or higher than Winnipeg is on it. I believe prior to the trade from Columbus it was stated Jones only wanted to re-sign for a certain group of American teams.

 

[majormajor]

If an American-born player has a 10 team NTC, there is like a 95% chance or higher than Winnipeg is on it. I believe prior to the trade from Columbus it was stated Jones only wanted to re-sign for a certain group of American teams.

That's a good bet. Chicago has been a disaster but I don't think Jones hates it that much that he's going to waive to go to Winnipeg.

 

[Hivemind]

John Carlson, 1-for-1

 

[common12]

I can see Scheifele going to NYI, he would be a very good player on the Island. Mark for Dobson straight up.

Not an Isles fan but know many of them personally and there is zero chance they do that trade.

 

[fmrdh]

Shea Theodore?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Very doubtful that any team is giving up a #1 Dman for 2 years of Mark Scheifele.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You aren't getting a legit #1 D for Scheifele. Unless you think someone like Hamilton is a legit 1, then maybe someone on that level.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I can see Scheifele going to NYI, he would be a very good player on the Island. Mark for Dobson straight up.

Islanders would rightfully decline. A 29 year with a few years term won't return a young top pairing RD.

 

[GreenLine]

Brent Burns is thirty-six years old. The Jets will try their luck with younger players.

It's tricky acquiring a #1D, or any prominent player, because Winnipeg is not a destination. You have to get players who don't have NMC's and won't make a stink about playing in Winnipeg. That and Scheifele's lazy play has reduced his value so you won't get a strong 1D having a successful season. It will be a mutual change of scenery type of trade. A couple thoughts:

1 - Ivan Provorov. Similar contract, no NMC, having a bad year. Wasn't very good last year either so it's questionable if he's a real #1D or an upgrade on Morrissey, but hey Scheifele is a questionable #1C so that seems fair. You're going to be focused on the great tools and hope he benefits from the change of scenery.

2 - Seth Jones. Bad contract but he's a better player. 10-team NTC but maybe he'd be eager to get away from the Chicago rebuild. Oh and he leads Hawks D in xGF% Rel. Not having a bad season.

If I had to choose between watching Scheifele sulk for another 2 seasons or Provorov, I'd stick with Scheifele.

I know it's hip on these forums to shit on Jones, but I'd make that trade immediately if it was available.

 

[TGWL]

I would assume Jets want an actual 1D, not just one playing 1D for for a team, so assuming like a top 20-25dman, with term? I don't think you can get that with a UFA. That makes it tough and interesting. I'm not sure any team is in a position to make that swap.

 

[TheDoldrums]

John Carlson, 1-for-1

seems challenging to trade scheifele for a defenseman and come out worse defensively but this probably does it

 

[bernmeister]

Since this is clearly not a Winnipeg-NY proposal, why even bother commenting that?

Courtesy to OP, who limited primary discussion only to preference for a return that includes a quality LD.
One unaware of how bad NYR cap crunch is gonna be, might see
surplus of NY LD = ability to meet OP ask

But before we even think about going there (we do not, Schief is a better version of Ryan Strome for more $$ but no longer higher end), cap makes any discussion moot.

 

[Djp]

He has just 2 yrs left and at 29.

he doesn’t get you a 1D who is 5+ yrs younger. You might get a very good one around same age/ contract length and cap hit.

the market interested would be a team near cup contention wanting to win the next 2 yrs.

Florida
Rangers possibly
toronto
boston
nashville
st louis
Edmonton
calgary
minnesota

 

[TS Quint]

I can’t recall a hockey trade like this. Trading your player would strengthen you at one position and weaken you at another. And it’s not like there’s a surplus of #1 defencemen in the league. I think a top 4 dman + is what you’ll have to settle with.

This is literally how all good trades are made. You take from a strength and make it a little worse to fill in a weakness and make it a little better.

 

[TGWL]

Courtesy to OP, who limited primary discussion only to preference for a return that includes a quality LD.
One unaware of how bad NYR cap crunch is gonna be, might see
surplus of NY LD = ability to meet OP ask

But before we even think about going there (we do not, Schief is a better version of Ryan Strome for more $$ but no longer higher end), cap makes any discussion moot.

NYR don't have surplus of #1D LD. Rangers have Lindgren and Miller on that side. Lindgren isn't bringing back Scheifele, and Jets would want more than Miller.

 

[Pongs21]

A Girard-Scheifele swap might make sense for the Avs. They will hand up the phone is you ask for Byram though

lol, might make sense for the Avs? Jet's would want Byram +, get out of here with that

 

[EK392000]

This is literally how all good trades are made. You take from a strength and make it a little worse to fill in a weakness and make it a little better.

On a smaller scale, I agree. Trading a top 6 forward for a top 4 d makes sense.

Trading guys that are 1Cs or #1Ds would gut one position in favour of another. If there truly is a surplus of 1Cs or #1Ds on a given team, then sure. I don't think that's the case though.

 

[bsu]

Scheifele doesn't get a #1D.​

 

[TFHockey]

Scheifele, a legit #1C, I would think he could easily get the Jets a much needed #1 dman no? What's your offers?

Maybe Scheifele for Brent Burns and Kevin Labanc?

This is a tough trade to make. Contenders aren't going to deal their #1 D for Scheifele or for anybody else. Teams coming up, or who are close, might have a 1B option, maybe. Calgary will be looking for someone to replace Monahan but he has a M-NTC clause. So maybe a trade for a lesser C and a mid pairing D with upside?

 

[bernmeister]

NYR don't have surplus of #1D LD. Rangers have Lindgren and Miller on that side. Lindgren isn't bringing back Scheifele, and Jets would want more than Miller.

Pt that salary makes it moot remains. Courtesy reply to yr post, some would disagree but I consider Robertson ready for 3LD next yr. Yes, he will be green, but we can still slot him there as a rookie. Scanlin is an exciting add but he will likely need all of next year in the A at min; howev, he is a piece of longer term depth.
We have Jones who should be moved and Nils L who shoots right but plays either side who should be kept. Hajek will likely be moved b'c pitifully we cannot afford the cap on even the pittance he makes. We have his rfa, if I remember. May be possible to do a new deal which is 2 way ahl/nhl; maybe; but likely we deal his rights b'c he will get an offer.
If we did not have cap constraints and could even CONSIDER a trade, I would not deal KAM for Schief taking into account age, cap hit, etc etc.
Lindgren we would have to add a bit. This is not the Scheif of a few years ago. He is turning into a better version of Ryan Strome, and we should be setting our sights higher. We should be looking out for the next Lucien Deblois [sp] and have ample assets on hand for when that presents itself.
Anyhoo, reality says unless certain players waive their protection our general MO will be to do players for picks to not take on any/or minimal cap hit

 

[Connor McConnor]

He'd be a great #2C behind a more defensive minded #1C, can't have two lines playing run n gun. Or you straddle him with 2-way wingers. His salary is very manageable for a #2C. Bruins make some sense, also maybe Colorado would entertain this for Byram or Girard +

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

This is a tough trade to make. Contenders aren't going to deal their #1 D for Scheifele or for anybody else. Teams coming up, or who are close, might have a 1B option, maybe. Calgary will be looking for someone to replace Monahan but he has a M-NTC clause. So maybe a trade for a lesser C and a mid pairing D with upside?

I have no doubt Scheifele would find success and his game again as #2 centre in Calgary. Coach Sutter would transform Marks defensive game like he has with Gaudreau this year.

Flames have been trying to move Monahan for a few years now. My guess is he will be either bought out or traded with half his cap retained. Sean is done in Calgary, I would be shocked to see him play another game as a Flame. Moving him his summer should be the Flames biggest priority after resigning Johnny.

 

[BigRangy]

Scheifele
Stanley

For

Monahan
Hanifin

With Monahan retention as needed

Hanifin/Scheifele offset and I’m under the impression Stanley sucks but could be a Zadorov replacement. If Jets think Stanley is good then this wouldn’t work.