Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[cbcwpg]

“Look, we’re obviously in a Canadian market, we’re in a situation where we’ve had an up-and-down year, and certainly, we’re in an age where everyone is wanting to create a buzz on the Internet,’’ Cheveldayoff told LeBrun in The Athletic. “It’s not shocking that these rumours or these made-up stories do come out. But I spent a long time trying to get top-two centremen like we have right now with Scheif and (Pierre-Luc) Dubois. That’s a real tough combination when we’re going well to play against.

“Again, I love having that kind of depth in the organization,” added the Jets GM. “Mark’s a player that is an exceptional player in this league and we’re very happy to have him on this team.’’

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Maybe we just call PLD the #1 C, get him signed long-term now... call Scheif the #2 C ( he can cry if he wants to ) and see what we get over the next season. If we still get 170 foot Scheif , then you try to move him.

 

[surixon]

No - I do think a new coaching staff could get him playing much better. I'm not optimistic it will.

As with all trade discussions, it would depend on the return. I would not dump him at fire sale prices. I would rather bet on the new coach than settle for that.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the shock of being traded got him going in the right direction. A new team AND a new coach might be just what he needs.

Heard another snippet of Jets talk on SXM yesterday. Said that the discrepancy between Jets potential and performance says that there must be something wrong. Noted that Maurice quit because he couldn't get them to play the way he wanted. That is the way they put it.

Very possible, but I think with Maurice he had been here too long and they stopped listening. It happens with most all coaches. That doesn't mean a new coach can't get them dialed in. If a new coach can't then you need to find whatever players are not buying in and ship them out.

Perhaps you do that as we as bring in a new head coach.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Very possible, but I think with Maurice he had been here too long and they stopped listening. It happens with most all coaches. That doesn't mean a new coach can't get them dialed in. If a new coach can't then you need to find whatever players are not buying in and ship them out.

Perhaps you do that as we as bring in a new head coach.

Also, I have probably read too many posts trashing Scheifele and Wheeler. I'm not immune to the power of suggestion.

It does appear to me that Blake is dropping the ball on leadership and that Mark has been out of sorts (for 4 seasons now!!!). That is pretty speculative but the looks persist. So I am a little extra motivated to move either or both of them.

Assuming a good return on Scheifele and a decent one on Wheeler, after we retain 3 mil, I would not be the least bit upset to see them both gone. It is not only players who sometimes need a change of scene. I need to see change on the Jets roster because this group is not working. It is time to stop .

 

[surixon]

Also, I have probably read too many posts trashing Scheifele and Wheeler. I'm not immune to the power of suggestion.

It does appear to me that Blake is dropping the ball on leadership and that Mark has been out of sorts (for 4 seasons now!!!). That is pretty speculative but the looks persist. So I am a little extra motivated to move either or both of them.

Assuming a good return on Scheifele and a decent one on Wheeler, after we retain 3 mil, I would not be the least bit upset to see them both gone. It is not only players who sometimes need a change of scene. I need to see change on the Jets roster because this group is not working. It is time to stop .

I don't really disagree and I also haven't seen much in the way of leadership from Blake. The media bits are one thing but the team on the ice is a mess and as the captain he bears some responsibility for that.

 

[ecolad]

I don't really disagree and I also haven't seen much in the way of leadership from Blake. The media bits are one thing but the team on the ice is a mess and as the captain he bears some responsibility for that.

I've said this before in differing threads, but I believe that the big underlying issue with our team is the failure to put TEAM first and foremost in all decisions.

We have an ownership and management who consistently look at things almost exclusively from the perspective of the player's commitment to the city/organization. When it comes time to consider roster adjustments by trade, this becomes one of the major, if not only, considerations. This notion was dramatically reinforced by Maurice in his tenure here and led to we seriously flawed player deployment decisions and poor outcomes.

We also have on-ice team leaders who seem to look at things from their own individual perspective ( ie more interested in scoring recognition and personal accolades rather than TEAM success). Scheifele's intent focus on personal scoring accomplishments, however realized, are at the root of the problems with him currently.

 

[surixon]

I've said this before in differing threads, but I believe that the big underlying issue with our team is the failure to put TEAM first and foremost in all decisions.

We have an ownership and management who consistently look at things almost exclusively from the perspective of the player's commitment to the city/organization. When it comes time to consider roster adjustments by trade, this becomes one of the major, if not only, considerations. This notion was dramatically reinforced by Maurice in his tenure here and led to we seriously flawed player deployment decisions and poor outcomes.

We also have on-ice team leaders who seem to look at things from their own individual perspective ( ie more interested in scoring recognition and personal accolades rather than TEAM success). Scheifele's intent focus on personal scoring accomplishments, however realized, are at the root of the problems with him currently.

Yeah there is a stark contrast between some players infront of the camera.

We have players like JoMo, Dubois, Stastny, Ehlers that brush off their personal success as inconsequential in comparison to the success of the franchise.

Then we have the captain making excuses all the time and first mate Mark who as you mentioned seems more concerned with his individual game.

You raise an extremely good point about the org catering to individuals to stay here. I get that this market has challenges that most every other market doesn't but you need players that are invested in the team and getting success for the team.

I think we have a good amount that are team players but I also think there are some that aren't.

I have no idea what the solution that issue might be. Maybe you just have to treat all the players that want to play elsewhere like Trouba and keep them for their service life and then move them.

 

[ecolad]

Yeah there is a stark contrast between some players infront of the camera.

We have players like JoMo, Dubois, Stastny, Ehlers that brush off their personal success as inconsequential in comparison to the success of the franchise.

Then we have the captain making excuses all the time and first mate Mark who as you mentioned seems more concerned with his individual game.

You raise an extremely good point about the org catering to individuals to stay here. I get that this market has challenges that most every other market doesn't but you need players that are invested in the team and getting success for the team.

I think we have a good amount that are team players but I also think there are some that aren't.

I have no idea what the solution that issue might be. Maybe you just have to treat all the players that want to play elsewhere like Trouba and keep them for their service life and then move them.

Yeah, but it's one thing dealing with a player who openly shows he doesn't want to be here -like Trouba. What is the org likely to do with a player like Scheif who has not shown any such inklings but who refuses to adjust his game for the betterment of the TEAM?

Just as a side thought - I find it disquieting that Scheif shows such little inclination towards playing with intensity, or, playing with a competitive fire. I`m reminded of
his responses when asked about preparing for playoffs several years ago - and it consisted of " going out and having some fun". This isn't exactly what I'd expect from a team captain heading into a predictable tough/physical series with Calgary.

 

[surixon]

Yeah, but it's one thing dealing with a player who openly shows he doesn't want to be here -like Trouba. What is the org likely to do with a player like Scheif who has not shown any such inklings but who refuses to adjust his game for the betterment of the TEAM?

Just as a side thought - I find it disquieting that Scheif shows such little inclination towards playing with intensity, or, playing with a competitive fire. I`m reminded of
his responses when asked about preparing for playoffs several years ago - and it consisted of " going out and having some fun". This isn't exactly what I'd expect from a team captain heading into a predictable tough/physical series with Calgary.

Well his general demeanor doesn't look like a player whonis having fun the last number of years. No idea what is up with him.

 

[RabidOne]

Remember when Maurice said he didn't have to coach those 3?

Ouch. 3 of the top 5.

 

[Weezeric]

Ouch. 3 of the top 5.

Ya, wouldn’t want any of those ten players……

 

[Aggie204]

Ouch. 3 of the top 5.

Maybe Connor’s numbers were a product of playing with the Captain and Bambi. Connor looks more engaged in the defensive zone this year. I don’t have the numbers to back it, but my eyes say yes.

 

[RabidOne]

Ya, wouldn’t want any of those ten players……

Maybe not on the same line!

 

[RabidOne]

He needs to start swearing, it's just not normal to never swear.

I f*cking agree.

 

[Teemusalami204]

I’m up for trading Sheif .

we have to many forwards that can’t play defence

I would trade sheif because at C he hurts the team the most refusing the play D

 

[cbcwpg]

Was just a matter of time...

Chef now has 54 giveaways, the most he has ever had in any season, with 22 games to go.

 

[cbcwpg]

Player Q&A | Mark Scheifele

From country to hip-hop, Mark Scheiefle's music taste has evolved over the years.

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[pateramus]

I’m up for trading Sheif .

we have to many forwards that can’t play defence

I would trade sheif because at C he hurts the team the most refusing the play D

Although some of us can easily say bye to Scheifs, we aren't in Chevy's shoes trying to find good players who want to be here longterm while trying to sign them to reasonable contracts. I'd be very surprised if Chevy does decide to part ways with Mark S. or Wheeler for that matter. I think, in their shoes, the plan is more along the lines of bolstering up our bottom 6 forwards (statistically, we haven't had much help production wise from bottom 6 although thats starting to improve now, and we are winning more games) They may shed some salary from our D to improve our bottom 6. They will give Wheeler and Sheifs 2 more kicks at the can.

 

[UFO]

Does he ever smile after scoring a goal?

 

[WolfHouse]

Does he ever smile after scoring a goal?

Once he's traded he will... there's no way that he wants to be a Jet right now.

 

[cbcwpg]

Maybe I'm totally off the mark here, but watching 55 play this season.... all I see is a guy who cares about points and not wins. IMO I think as long as 55 gets a point or two in a game, he feels he has done his job and nothing more is required, and if the team happens to win , it's a bonus.

 

[DRW204]

Maybe I'm totally off the mark here, but watching 55 play this season.... all I see is a guy who cares about points and not wins. IMO I think as long as 55 gets a point or two in a game, he feels he has done his job and nothing more is required, and if the team happens to win , it's a bonus.

Oof that's damning.
If you see this, then other gms might be thinking the same.

Problem is if we deal scheifele, barring a viable top 6c coming back it's just PLD. and idk IF PLDs production is good enough to lead us to a long PO run or cup. Perfetti is a wild card, he could be a C but I've been of the opinion he'll be a winger for a whole now. Obviously can change.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Although some of us can easily say bye to Scheifs, we aren't in Chevy's shoes trying to find good players who want to be here longterm while trying to sign them to reasonable contracts. I'd be very surprised if Chevy does decide to part ways with Mark S. or Wheeler for that matter. I think, in their shoes, the plan is more along the lines of bolstering up our bottom 6 forwards (statistically, we haven't had much help production wise from bottom 6 although thats starting to improve now, and we are winning more games) They may shed some salary from our D to improve our bottom 6. They will give Wheeler and Sheifs 2 more kicks at the can.

Dubois and kfc seem very happy to be Jets so build the identity around them. Out with the old in with the new.

 

[surixon]

Maybe I'm totally off the mark here, but watching 55 play this season.... all I see is a guy who cares about points and not wins. IMO I think as long as 55 gets a point or two in a game, he feels he has done his job and nothing more is required, and if the team happens to win , it's a bonus.

Not sure what to do about him but his game has been way too flawed and skewed towards offense.

Honestly he isn't leadership material and should be moved to line two until his effort warrants more.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Not sure what to do about him but his game has been way too flawed and skewed towards offense.

Honestly he isn't leadership material and should be moved to line two until his effort warrants more.

He was literally humming to himself tonight as he coasted to the bench after a nonexistent D play on his man in the O zone. We were about 20 feet away from him. Just in his own world.

 

[surixon]

He was literally humming to himself tonight as he coasted to the bench after a nonexistent D play on his man in the O zone. We were about 20 feet away from him. Just in his own world.

Wow. Pays to be up close to the action sometimes. In all honesty it might be best to move him out. You can't have passengers, especially not your most talented players the league is too good. If be so pissed off if I was his teammate and he juat puts in half assed efforts and isn't invested.