Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[Gil Fisher]

Yeah, that would require a HUGE add from the Jets.

Logan Stanley is 6'7"

 

[scarbrow21]

The whole Scheif issue might actually be a blessing in disguise. He's two years away from UFA, he's going to want to be paid like atop 10 C so 10M + x8 years and isn't worth that now never mind when he's 33+. We might end up kicking out heavily here especially if the value is high enough from some GMs to give us a solid return. Could be just the thing we need for the perfect re tool

 

[Jets 31]

Great post.
Not having 27 on the first PP unit was criminal.
Easily our most talented player.
Top teams have 4 lines rolling with the bottom 6 playing upwards of 10 minutes.
Frustrating to watch.

Exactly, Ehlers has no business not on PP1 , sure some might say well he really helps PP2 and that's true but PP2 is getting only 30 seconds so that is not using your weapons to their full potential. Just look at Carolina and how they distribute their talent through all 4 lines as a example of what i hope we one day will do.

 

[Cnile]

Exactly, Ehlers has no business not on PP1 , sure some might say well he really helps PP2 and that's true but PP2 is getting only 30 seconds so that is not using your weapons to their full potential. Just look at Carolina and how they distribute their talent through all 4 lines as a example of what i hope we one day will do.

Wait?
We have a PP2

 

[Heldig]

So on another site a Bruins fan informed me Scheifele wont return a top 4 D cause he is not what good teams want.

 

[Fatdrunk]

As stated in previous post Friedman said on HNIC intermission that Schiefele did not request a trade this year

 

[Guffman]

As stated in previous post Friedman said on HNIC intermission that Schiefele did not request a trade this year

Perhaps both sides agreed that will be the official stance to beef up his trade value and thus enhance the likelihood of being traded.

Or perhaps Schiefele had a good cry session with Chevy. Frankly, the Jets are MUCH better in the short-term with Schiefele. Hopefully, the new coaching staff ushers in a new attitude and buy-in with the players.

 

[10Ducky10]

Perhaps both sides agreed that will be the official stance to beef up his trade value and thus enhance the likelihood of being traded.

Or perhaps Schiefele had a good cry session with Chevy. Frankly, the Jets are MUCH better in the short-term with Schiefele. Hopefully, the new coaching staff ushers in a new attitude and buy-in with the players.

Trade him next summer when a team can re-sign him.

 

[gojetsgo]

Trade him next summer when a team can re-sign him.

if you are planning on trading him then this is the season he will have the most value

 

[10Ducky10]

if you are planning on trading him then this is the season he will have the most value

Depends how he does next season.

Let's say he gets 90 or so points.
A team can re-sign him as soon as they trade for him.
If Chevy lets them work out a deal beforehand, he'll get a bigger return.

 

[Aphid]

I don't get the hate on for him. What he said wasn't even all that bad. There was much bigger problems with the team this year than Scheifele. If you want to debate the power that players have to essentially run things, even though they're simply an employee, then you have a valid gripe. I presume that is what he was somewhat trying to do after a very frustrating season for everyone. Stuff like no trade clauses, demanding trades, demanding playing time, refusing to sign for the team that drafted them, etc...is all so ridiculous.

If he's traded, it's going to be a big mistake for this team. Get a proper coach and see how it goes first before you start trading your good players. Who knows why he wasn't so good defensively this year. Could be purely coaching like Calgary for all anyone knows.

 

[gojetsgo]

Depends how he does next season.

Let's say he gets 90 or so points.
A team can re-sign him as soon as they trade for him.
If Chevy lets them work out a deal beforehand, he'll get a bigger return.

and say he has a down year neither scheifele or acquiring team would want to do a long term deal, the reason why scheifele will have lots of value is because you can get him for two playoff runs at a cap hit that nearly every team can make work

 

[DRW204]

I think teams beleive they can teach a player defense, or find a way to minimize their defensive short comings. Scheifele is still a real good offensive player which in itself is hard to come by, Esp at 6m cap hit. With 2 years on that deal, most PO competitive teams will be trying to get him.

 

[Ducky10]

I think teams beleive they can teach a player defense, or find a way to minimize their defensive short comings. Scheifele is still a real good offensive player which in itself is hard to come by, Esp at 6m cap hit. With 2 years on that deal, most PO competitive teams will be trying to get him.

Scheifele is a no brainer for a competitive playoff team. Shelter him in a second line role and mitigate his defense. His offensive ability and cap hit make it very appealing.

 

[Ducky10]

It’s pretty disappointing that a “hockey nerd” who wanted to be amongst the best players in the league needs a head coach to yell at him for screwing the pooch for a few seasons.

Sorry, but if you’re a professional, veteran player, you shouldn’t need a coach to bust your balls. This is Schiefele not holding himself to a high standard.

Don’t disagree at all, but people in charge can’t just sit around and do nothing about it. It doesn’t have to be yelling, just some kind of accountability. Scheifele definitely failed to hold himself to a higher standard and Maurice failed to hold him to one either.
Both are true.

 

[Ducky10]

As stated in previous post Friedman said on HNIC intermission that Schiefele did not request a trade this year

Chevy already stated that. Personally, I don’t think this is new information. I doubt Scheifele would officially ask for a trade in an exit interview. That’s something to handle with his agent.

 

[bustamente]

Chevy already stated that. Personally, I don’t think this is new information. I doubt Scheifele would officially ask for a trade in an exit interview. That’s something to handle with his agent.

When and if the time come his agent will make his intensions clear any trade talk will not come from the Jets

 

[DRW204]

Scheifele is a no brainer for a competitive playoff team. Shelter him in a second line role and mitigate his defense. His offensive ability and cap hit make it very appealing.

yes.
but idk how good of a package he will return. i see him getting something similar to the ROR deal. a late 1st (if it's coming from a competitive PO team)/mid-grade prospect (at the time) and a lower end roster player and/or an additional later pick.
both were disgruntled Centres (for different reasons). i think ROR is the better all-around player, but scheifele is a better scorer which has higher market value. scheifele also has the 6m cap-hit but for 2 years before he gets a UFA contract in his 30s which will be what roughly 9m? if not more.

 

[Ducky10]

yes.
but idk how good of a package he will return. i see him getting something similar to the ROR deal. a late 1st (if it's coming from a competitive PO team)/mid-grade prospect (at the time) and a lower end roster player and/or an additional later pick.
both were disgruntled Centres (for different reasons). i think ROR is the better all-around player, but scheifele is a better scorer which has higher market value. scheifele also has the 6m cap-hit but for 2 years before he gets a UFA contract in his 30s which will be what roughly 9m? if not more.

Not sure I really agree ROR is a better overall player than Scheifele, his past two years haven’t been much to shout about and Scheifele’s offense trumps him, like you say.
Low 1st round pick is inevitable if it’s a contender, but I think they get a higher end prospect and middle 6 roster player with top 6 potential.
Not from everyone, but there will be a couple teams looking and thinking they can get more out of him.

 

[gojetsgo]

Not sure I really agree ROR is a better overall player than Scheifele, his past two years haven’t been much to shout about and Scheifele’s offense trumps him, like you say.
Low 1st round pick is inevitable if it’s a contender, but I think they get a higher end prospect and middle 6 roster player with top 6 potential.
Not from everyone, but there will be a couple teams looking and thinking they can get more out of him.

also don't think ror last season in buffalo was very good and his contract could have been very scary to deal with at the time(5x7.5)

 

[DRW204]

Not sure I really agree ROR is a better overall player than Scheifele, his past two years haven’t been much to shout about and Scheifele’s offense trumps him, like you say.
Low 1st round pick is inevitable if it’s a contender, but I think they get a higher end prospect and middle 6 roster player with top 6 potential.
Not from everyone, but there will be a couple teams looking and thinking they can get more out of him.

i think the gap b/w ror's defensive game/play without the puck is larger than the gap of their offense. but you may be right, i haven't looked at what the analytics say for the past 2 seasons.

 

[gojetsgo]

two teams I can see being very interested are nyr and the avs(especially if they don't make it out of round 2) both team's 2nd line centers are ufa's and scheifele can slot in perfectly there

 

[ps241]

yes.
but idk how good of a package he will return. i see him getting something similar to the ROR deal. a late 1st (if it's coming from a competitive PO team)/mid-grade prospect (at the time) and a lower end roster player and/or an additional later pick.
both were disgruntled Centres (for different reasons). i think ROR is the better all-around player, but scheifele is a better scorer which has higher market value. scheifele also has the 6m cap-hit but for 2 years before he gets a UFA contract in his 30s which will be what roughly 9m? if not more.

Two other disgruntled number 1A and 1B type centres names I would throw out on the high side would be and injured Jack Eichel and on the lower side Matt Duchene (Colorado).

Eichel for Tuch, Krebs, 1st and 2nd.

Duchene for solid young D man (Girard), Shane Bowers (former 1st round pick), and Ottawa’s 1st (They drafted Bowen Byrom)

 

[DRW204]

Two other disgruntled number 1A and 1B type centres names I would throw out on the high side would be and injured Jack Eichel and on the lower side Matt Duchene (Colorado).

Eichel for Tuch, Krebs, 1st and 2nd.

Duchene for solid young D man (Girard), Shane Bowers (former 1st round pick), and Ottawa’s 1st (They drafted Bowen Byrom)

we don't have sakic as gm though for a duchene-type return
if chevy can pull that off that'd be amazing, but idk if there's a scenario or a 3-way deal to be had to get that type of return.

 

[voyageur]

two teams I can see being very interested are nyr and the avs(especially if they don't make it out of round 2) both team's 2nd line centers are ufa's and scheifele can slot in perfectly there

I think there will be a lot of movement between the top UFA centres this year.

Starting with Kadri, but you also have Malkin who might move, Bergeron could leave Boston, there's Giroux, and on the next tier Strome, Copp, Trochek, Stastny. Good chance that another locker room clash leads to one of Horvat or JT Miller being traded.

The Jets can't trade Scheifele without getting a 2c back, unless they re-sign Stastny, or want to try Perfetti as a centre, but I think that could make the team worse, as the team would be relying heavily on young centres in a veteran division.

If there isn't a trade request, I could see Chevy being relatively happy with a top 6 of Connor-Dubois-Perfetti, Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler, hoping Scheifele turns it around with a new coach. The whole west is going to look different next season if some of the key names like Gaudreau, Forsberg, Kadri, Klingberg sign elsewhere.

I don't know what Chaz Lucius has for a future, but if you could give him a full year in the A next season, maybe you develop your 2c internally, and look at other trade avenues at the end of the season. A Scheifele trade that brough back Braden Schneider would address the size and strength deficiency on the right side of the Jets defense, where I don't see a top minute guy coming up the ranks.