Value of: Marco Rossi +

[Captain Mountain]

Rossi has better numbers than Dach did tho?

Also barron does not get you to 15

Dach was acquired after his D+3 season. Rossi is finishing his D+4 season. Dach had better numbers in his D+4 season. Dach is also 6'4 and Rossi is 5'9.

Not that Barron and Romanov analogous either.

From a Montreal POV, Rossi would be more comparable to Newhook, though Rossi has definitely had a better D+4 than Newhook did.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Rossi doesn't make sense as a trade target for Montreal, just as he doesn't make sense for most of the bottom 10 teams in the NHL. It also doesn't make sense for the Wild to trade him.

People just seem to be at the "my team's players are good, yours suck" stage of the discourse.

 

[HuGort]

Jets 1st at 23 + Barron would bring us to pick 15ish.

Rossi isn't worth Dach and this what we had to give for Dach

Plus a 3rd and 4th

 

[McJedi]

Everyone keeps mentioning age - I fail to see how that really matters when his contract situation remains the same as an 18 or 19 year old.

Kaprizov came into the league as an old rookie....he is a top 5 winger in the league...nobody said anything about his age.

I don’t know why I’d dignify a response to this silly post, but whatever.

There is a huge difference between an 18 year old rookie and a 24 or 22 year old rookie. Maturity, muscle mass, hockey IQ and many more things arm an older player vs the teenager. If an 18 or 18 year old is a 20+ goal guy.. you’re sitting on what is likely a future star player.

Rossi is finally in the NHL and doing ok. He’s very small but skilled. The idea he’s worth a 2024 top 5 pick isn’t worth debating. The answer is he isn’t. He’s got one more year of ELC at an AAV of $1.7mm due to his performance bonuses.

Rossi has his most value to the team he plays for, the Wild.

I said he + your 2024 1st rounder (~15th OA) may get you up to around 7th overall. And that’s probably very close to where his value would shake out.

But Your GM isn’t going to do this. He’s not calling around the league testing Rossi’s value.

Rossi be with the wild next year.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I don’t know why I’d dignify a response to this silly post, but whatever.

There is a huge difference between an 18 year old rookie and a 24 or 22 year old rookie. Maturity, muscle mass, hockey IQ and many more things arm an older player vs the teenager. If an 18 or 18 year old is a 20+ goal guy.. you’re sitting on what is likely a future star player.

Rossi is finally in the NHL and doing ok. He’s very small but skilled. The idea he’s worth a 2024 top 5 pick isn’t worth debating. The answer is he isn’t. He’s got one more year of ELC at an AAV of $1.7mm due to his performance bonuses.

Rossi has his most value to the team he plays for, the Wild.

I said he + your 2024 1st rounder (~15th OA) may get you up to around 7th overall. And that’s probably very close to where his value would shake out.

But Your GM isn’t going to do this. He’s not calling around the league testing Rossi’s value.

Rossi be with the wild next year.

As a fan of a team likely picking between 5-9, Rossi + 15 OV is enough that I would definitely run it by the room but don't think it's enough where I would pull actually pull the trigger.

 

[BagHead]

Dach was acquired after his D+3 season. Rossi is finishing his D+4 season. Dach had better numbers in his D+4 season. Dach is also 6'4 and Rossi is 5'9.

Not that Barron and Romanov analogous either.

From a Montreal POV, Rossi would be more comparable to Newhook, though Rossi has definitely had a better D+4 than Newhook did.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Rossi doesn't make sense as a trade target for Montreal, just as he doesn't make sense for most of the bottom 10 teams in the NHL. It also doesn't make sense for the Wild to trade him.

People just seem to be at the "my team's players are good, yours suck" stage of the discourse.

I don’t know why I’d dignify a response to this silly post, but whatever.

There is a huge difference between an 18 year old rookie and a 24 or 22 year old rookie. Maturity, muscle mass, hockey IQ and many more things arm an older player vs the teenager. If an 18 or 18 year old is a 20+ goal guy.. you’re sitting on what is likely a future star player.

Rossi is finally in the NHL and doing ok. He’s very small but skilled. The idea he’s worth a 2024 top 5 pick isn’t worth debating. The answer is he isn’t. He’s got one more year of ELC at an AAV of $1.7mm due to his performance bonuses.

Rossi has his most value to the team he plays for, the Wild.

I said he + your 2024 1st rounder (~15th OA) may get you up to around 7th overall. And that’s probably very close to where his value would shake out.

But Your GM isn’t going to do this. He’s not calling around the league testing Rossi’s value.

Rossi be with the wild next year.

I made my feelings on the topic clear on the first page of this thread, but this whole "what can we get for Rossi?" thing started because Russo/Smith at the Athletic have been saying things in the last month along the lines of "our feeling (from management) is that Rossi does not fit into what Guerin imagines to be a Cup lineup, so they may trade him". So, if you believe their guts, he is either "on the block" for this summer, or they're more willing to entertain offers on him than on most of the roster.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I made my feelings on the topic clear on the first page of this thread, but this whole "what can we get for Rossi?" thing started because Russo/Smith at the Athletic have been saying things in the last month along the lines of "our feeling (from management) is that Rossi does not fit into what Guerin imagines to be a Cup lineup, so they may trade him". So, if you believe their guts, he is either "on the block" for this summer, or they're more willing to entertain offers on him than on most of the roster.

I missed that part. I wonder why? People on this thread (non MIN fans) seems to be thinking the same - hence why no one is really that interested in putting a high pick on the table for him

 

[AKL]

I made my feelings on the topic clear on the first page of this thread, but this whole "what can we get for Rossi?" thing started because Russo/Smith at the Athletic have been saying things in the last month along the lines of "our feeling (from management) is that Rossi does not fit into what Guerin imagines to be a Cup lineup, so they may trade him". So, if you believe their guts, he is either "on the block" for this summer, or they're more willing to entertain offers on him than on most of the roster.

I also can't help but wonder how old the info they're speaking on is. At one point just a few weeks ago it seemed like they were operating from the same place they were last August before Rossi actually showed he belongs. I'll never put it past Guerin to do something like that, and I'm sure Rossi isn't as untouchable as Foligno or Zuccarello, but there's that little doubt in the back of my mind that they had the most up to date info.

As well, it seems like Russo mentioned that and then some fans (both here and elsewhere) took it and ran with it way more than they needed to, even going as far as wanting to trade him for some reason. Since then Russo has engaged with several of them explaining that it really makes no sense to trade him this summer. So I'm not really sure what to take Russo at face value on.

 

[HuGort]

Habs don't need a 5,09 in their lineup,

You must be against drafting Demidov or Catton then.

 

[MNRube]

Ovechkin, Stamkos, McTavish, Huberdeau, Cozens, Lindholm, Dubois. What do they have in common? None of them have more ES points than Rossi.

Rossi’s PP time has been on an awful 2nd unit with Gaudreau, Foligno, Chisholm and Mojo.

He’s going to end up a 50+ pt C and this thread will be hilarious

 

[Lockin17]

You must be against drafting Demidov or Catton then.

They are not 5,09 ,,, did you know this ?

 

[BagHead]

I also can't help but wonder how old the info they're speaking on is. At one point just a few weeks ago it seemed like they were operating from the same place they were last August before Rossi actually showed he belongs. I'll never put it past Guerin to do something like that, and I'm sure Rossi isn't as untouchable as Foligno or Zuccarello, but there's that little doubt in the back of my mind that they had the most up to date info.

As well, it seems like Russo mentioned that and then some fans (both here and elsewhere) took it and ran with it way more than they needed to, even going as far as wanting to trade him for some reason. Since then Russo has engaged with several of them explaining that it really makes no sense to trade him this summer. So I'm not really sure what to take Russo at face value on.

Yeah, the Wild won't come out and say "Rossi is on the block" unless Rossi requests a trade publicly, not that he would, so we're sort of left with speculation and little more. That's a big part of why I'm staying mostly out of it. If it's unknowable, there's really little point for me to get worked up about it.

I missed that part. I wonder why? People on this thread (non MIN fans) seems to be thinking the same - hence why no one is really that interested in putting a high pick on the table for him

Seems to be based on his size, or lack thereof, at the center position. Some (Guerin?) don't like his inconsistent physicality, but I don't want him trying to play an overtly physical game when his strengths lie elsewhere, anyway.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Ovechkin, Stamkos, McTavish, Huberdeau, Cozens, Lindholm, Dubois. What do they have in common? None of them have more ES points than Rossi.

Rossi’s PP time has been on an awful 2nd unit with Gaudreau, Foligno, Chisholm and Mojo.

He’s going to end up a 50+ pt C and this thread will be hilarious

If I draft top 10 and “my” guy ends up peaking at 50 points while being 5’9 then yeah, I would be very, very disappointed either way

 

[AKL]

If I draft top 10 and “my” guy ends up peaking at 50 points while being 5’9 then yeah, I would be very, very disappointed either way

Why are you still here talking about Rossi so confidently? You've admitted you watch him one time a year at most and all you do is stat watch. This thread isn't for you.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Why are you still here talking about Rossi so confidently? You've admitted you watch him one time a year at most and all you do is stat watch. This thread isn't for you.

What exactly have I said in my post you quoted led you to believe I was talking about Rossi? I did not name names.

 

[AKL]

What exactly have I said in my post you quoted led you to believe I was talking about Rossi? I did not name names.

Are you... never mind, I know the answer

 

[Baksfamous112]

Are you... never mind, I know the answer

That’s the best you can come up with?

 

[AKL]

That’s the best you can come up with?

A conversation with you isn't worth the best I can come up with

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If I draft top 10 and “my” guy ends up peaking at 50 points while being 5’9 then yeah, I would be very, very disappointed either way

Half of top 10 picks end up much more disappointing than that, so, not that bad actually.

 

[Baksfamous112]

A conversation with you isn't worth the best I can come up with

Clearly

 

[AKL]

Half of top 10 picks end up much more disappointing than that, so, not that bad actually.

Montreal should be the last fanbase you need to remind of this

 

[Baksfamous112]

Half of top 10 picks end up much more disappointing than that, so, not that bad actually.

But the other half ends up being line drivers and key pieces for a team, which Rossi clearly isn’t. I’d rather take my chances in the draft as you probably would if the situation was reversed

Montreal should be the last fanbase you need to remind of this

Why so? They have a much brighter future than MIN that’s for sure

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

But the other half ends up being line drivers and key pieces for a team, which Rossi clearly isn’t. I’d rather take my chances in the draft as you probably would if the situation was reversed


Why so? They have a much brighter future than MIN that’s for sure

We don't know what Rossi clearly is or isn't yet. Young players get better naturally with age, but they also get better with games played.

 

[Baksfamous112]

We don't know what Rossi clearly is or isn't yet. Young players get better naturally with age, but they also get better with games played.

I agree with you, but then again, I’d rather take my chances on a 17 years old with as much - if not more - talent than Rossi and work with him/develop him. Wouldn’t you if the roles were reversed? For example, if the Wild had a top 10 pick, would you trade it for Newhook?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I agree with you, but then again, I’d rather take my chances on a 17 years old with as much - if not more - talent than Rossi and work with him/develop him. Wouldn’t you if the roles were reversed? For example, if the Wild had a top 10 pick, would you trade it for Newhook?

I'm not trying to talk you into trading a top 10 pick for Rossi. I don't blame any team for keeping their pick. I just think he's being underrated due to having a late NHL start that wasn't complete his fault. He improved immensely in a year, and I don't exactly think he's done.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I'm not trying to talk you into trading a top 10 pick for Rossi. I don't blame any team for keeping their pick. I just think he's being underrated due to having a late NHL start that wasn't complete his fault. He improved immensely in a year, and I don't exactly think he's done.

No one said he was bad or done progressing, just that no one would throw a top 10 pick at him right now, which is justified.

He’s personally not my type of player. I wouldn’t be comfortable having a Rossi in my top 6 if I was a contender. Now that I think of it, he reminds me a lot of Desharnais.