Player Discussion Marc Staal

[Trxjw]

I think the cap hit is 2.85 million for 8 years if bought out this season to be clear. Half the cap for twice time if memory serves me right.

It's not evenly distributed. The cap hits would look like this:

17-18: $2,133,333
18-19: $2,133,333
19-20: $3,133,333
20-21: $3,933,333
Then 4 more years at $1,433,333.

So we're looking at nearly $4M in dead space in the 20-21 season. That's really tough to work around, but I don't see any other options. I think of the two bad contracts, Girardi is probably the easier one to move at 50% retained. He can at least be a serviceable bottom pairing guy.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Your memory servers you wrong.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_calculator/marc-staal#results

Cap hit fluctuates based on original cap hit minus savings (savings are calculated by subtracting the actual cost of the buyout from the original monetary salary).

The worst years are 3 and 4, but, again, you offset those years by having young players on ELCs. I am less concerned with cap space than I am with infusing younger quality talent. Staal being stands in the way of that infusion.

 

[silverfish]

It's not evenly distributed. The cap hits would look like this:

17-18: $2,133,333
18-19: $2,133,333
19-20: $3,133,333
20-21: $3,933,333
Then 4 more years at $1,433,333.

So we're looking at nearly $4M in dead space in the 20-21 season. That's really tough to work around, but I don't see any other options. I think of the two bad contracts, Girardi is probably the easier one to move at 50% retained. He can at least be a serviceable bottom pairing guy.

Girardi definitely the more movable asset. His contract is shorter, it's more buyout friendly, and, if nothing else, he's a right-handed D. It's going to be an ugly trade for NYR, but I am on board with moving Girardi in a trade, by nearly whatever means necessary, and then buying out Staal.

Buying out both of them, though, is an absurd concept that should not be entertained by the NYR FO.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It's not evenly distributed. The cap hits would look like this:

17-18: $2,133,333
18-19: $2,133,333
19-20: $3,133,333
20-21: $3,933,333
Then 4 more years at $1,433,333.

So we're looking at nearly $4M in dead space in the 20-21 season. That's really tough to work around, but I don't see any other options. I think of the two bad contracts, Girardi is probably the easier one to move at 50% retained. He can at least be a serviceable bottom pairing guy.

It's tough, but let's say Day or maybe Brannstrom (that's for you, Zil), are on the roster at that point, you're at worst paying about the same you would for a declining a Staal with likely a better player.

 

[RealCatFishHunter]

not entirely sure how it works, but couldn't they bury him in the minors like Redden?

 

[Trxjw]

Girardi definitely the more movable asset. His contract is shorter, it's more buyout friendly, and, if nothing else, he's a right-handed D. It's going to be an ugly trade for NYR, but I am on board with moving Girardi in a trade, by nearly whatever means necessary, and then buying out Staal.

Buying out both of them, though, is an absurd concept that should not be entertained by the NYR FO.

I'm not willing to set the team back too far just to get rid of Girardi. I think I'd retain and add a mid-round pick or two, but if it gets into 1st, 2nd, or good prospect territory then I'd just wait for the right opportunity.

It's tough, but let's say Day or maybe Brannstrom (that's for you, Zil), are on the roster at that point, you're at worst paying about the same you would for a declining a Staal with likely a better player.

Certainly not impossible, but difficult for sure. Also, who knows where the cap will actually be at that point?

 

[Zil]

not entirely sure how it works, but couldn't they bury him in the minors like Redden?

Nope. That loophole got removed in the last CBA. Also, Staal has a NMC.

 

[Fugazy]

not entirely sure how it works, but couldn't they bury him in the minors like Redden?

Unfortunately not. Redden-like treatment would have been ideal in this situation.

 

[Inferno]

i think a team would bite for D.G. at 50% retained for a 7th round draft pick...young team who needs leadership...like Vegs for example..

 

[qwertyaas]

Staal had NOTHING to do with Stralman. The choice was between Staal and MDZ. When AV forced Del Zotto out of town and Moore didn't rise to the occasion, they really had no choice but to re-sign Staal.

Stralman was more a combination of the Girardi extension and Sather's desire to get Boyle in here.

I still want to hold off on any big moves until a new coach comes in. Staal has literally never looked comfortable in AV's man to man system. A lot of people blame the eye injury, and that may well be the case, but it is also telling that Staal's game fell off a cliff starting at the exact moment AV arrived. A season with Staal on the 3rd pair and back in a zone defense might make him a bit more useful as a player.

The issue at that time was also Staal and Stralman were up at the same time. With Giradi signed and needing a real puck mover, there was room for one - either Staal and Stralman.

Unless my recollection is completely off..?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The issue at that time was also Staal and Stralman were up at the same time. With Giradi signed and needing a real puck mover, there was room for one - either Staal and Stralman.

Unless my recollection is completely off..?

It was either Girardi or Stralman (Both UFA in 2014. When Girardi was signed, we needed a PMD to help the PP after the Richards buy out (Compliance buy out we got with the new CBA). Dan Boyle was the option they went with.

2015, it was 2 of Hagelin, Staal and Stepan. Staal was UFA, while Stepan (and Hagelin) were RFA. Staal signed during the 2014-15 season, leaving us with 2 RFAs, Hagelin and Stepan. We all know how that turned out

 

[NYROrtsFan]

MUST trade Staal. And would really, really try to avoid the buyout.

Attach Staal to someone like Stepan, or just about any other player Vegas (or other teams want) to move that Staal contract.

Girardi you can survive with a bit longer, and then perhaps buy him out. Staal we can't survive with anymore and can't buy him out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

MUST trade Staal. And would really, really try to avoid the buyout.

Attach Staal to someone like Stepan, or just about any other player Vegas (or other teams want) to move that Staal contract.

Girardi you can survive with a bit longer, and then perhaps buy him out. Staal we can't survive with anymore and can't buy him out.

Thats dumb tbh. No need to move a valuable roster asset with Staal just to be rid of him.

Brooks seems to think Staal is the one who will meet the buyout fate. I hope he hangs them up - no need to risk your future health when you don't have it anymore.

 

[will1066]

It's gonna be quite full of people at the Staal family ranch.

 

[bl02]

Thats dumb tbh. No need to move a valuable roster asset with Staal just to be rid of him.

Brooks seems to think Staal is the one who will meet the buyout fate. I hope he hangs them up - no need to risk your future health when you don't have it anymore.

Hang them up as in marcus naslund and leave 20 million plus on the table OR Rangers buy him out then he hangs them up? I would be lots of money that it definitely won't be the former.
He's cooked tho. At least Girardi does a few things well just sucks you probably can't buy out both and Staals is more expensive (of course )

 

[charliemurphy]

Gorton has to be thinking of moving Staal at the this point. You would think that money retained on his contract will have to coincide with someone like a Kevin Hayes to get another GM to consider bringing in Staal.

 

[bl02]

Gorton has to be thinking of moving Staal at the this point. You would think that money retained on his contract will have to coincide with someone like a Kevin Hayes to get another GM to consider bringing in Staal.

I would be shocked if he didn't try that at some point last offseason. including Girardi.
Also these guys have NTC's which has to make it near impossible to be moved. sucks

 

[charliemurphy]

I would be shocked if he didn't try that at some point last offseason. including Girardi.
Also these guys have NTC's which has to make it near impossible to be moved. sucks

I never heard of any Hayes and Staal trade talks last season... I was throwing Hayes out there because he could be what a team or a few teams are looking for.

 

[bl02]

I never heard of any Hayes and Staal trade talks last season... I was throwing Hayes out there because he could be what a team or a few teams are looking for.

My bad didn't see the hayes part oops. thought it was kevin klein lol.
wouldn't be surprised if Gorton tried hard to move Staal tho at some point during the offseason. I'm sure he will try for sure this offseason.

 

[Revel]

Some people are thinking that if Staal or Girardi are as bad as we say they are...then why would any other GM want them?

I'm thinking we need to place our hope in 2 things (as long as Staal and G give their permission to be traded).

#1 = If we retain money, hope that a team will grab them feeling they are perfectly suitable for 2nd or 3rd pairing duties. Some GMs may find a G or a Staal at 3 mil or less attractive.

#2 = Hope that a team realizes that G or Staal or not suited for a Man-on-Man system. Many teams play Zone, which requires less mobility/athleticism than Man.

Gorts needs to shop these guys with an offer to retain a significant amount of money...and shop them to teams that play a zone and could use some experience on 2nd or 3rd pairing. There could be a fit out there.

 

[GAGLine]

Some people are thinking that if Staal or Girardi are as bad as we say they are...then why would any other GM want them?

I'm thinking we need to place our hope in 2 things (as long as Staal and G give their permission to be traded).

#1 = If we retain money, hope that a team will grab them feeling they are perfectly suitable for 2nd or 3rd pairing duties. Some GMs may find a G or a Staal at 3 mil or less attractive.

#2 = Hope that a team realizes that G or Staal or not suited for a Man-on-Man system. Many teams play Zone, which requires less mobility/athleticism than Man.

Gorts needs to shop these guys with an offer to retain a significant amount of money...and shop them to teams that play a zone and could use some experience on 2nd or 3rd pairing. There could be a fit out there.

Agreed. Rozsival was "done" and basically run out of town. Since leaving the Rangers, he has played 6 1/2 seasons and won 2 cups. After the 4 year 20 mil contract that we gave him, he signed with Chicago for 1 year, 2 mil, then re-signed with them for 2 years @ 2.2 mil per year.

If Chicago had a use for Rozy, some team probably has a use for Girardi and Staal, particularly at half price. We've had Klein on our 2nd/3rd pair for the last 3 1/2 years @ 2.9 mil per year. Girardi would be 2.75 mil and Staal 2.85 mil at 50% retention.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Buffalo wants a culture shock, maybe theres a spot there for G.

Staal is as done as done can be. He will require a buy out.

 

[Dijock94]

The buyout is way to expensive and way too much term. He will literally take up cap space for almost a decade. That's brutal, you can't give away cap space for that long if you want to compete

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

4 of the 8 years would still be years where he would be under contract. If you fill his spot with an ELC player you should be good.

After that? Worry about it when you get there. All I know is that keeping him around hurts this team. No one will trade for him.

 

[haohmaru]

I never heard of any Hayes and Staal trade talks last season... I was throwing Hayes out there because he could be what a team or a few teams are looking for.

Gorton: "So, any interest in Marc Staal?"
Other GM: <loud noise as if phone fell and laughter can be heard>
Gorton: "You there?"
Other GM "Did you just ask me if I'm interested in Staalsie?"
Gorton: "Yes, I did"
Other GM <howling with laughter> "I...gotta...<laughing> go.... <laughing> meeting..."
<click>

Rinse/Repeat