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Player Discussion Marc Staal

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mike14 said:
How does one actually go about shutting down a traffic cone?
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You live in Australia. Just leave it outside

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Oh jeeze at the guys calling him a bottom pair dman.

Aside from that few months where he was terrible coming back from one of his injuries he has been fine.

Bottom pair defensemen are Clen, McI, Skjei, Girardi. Those are the players you don't have on the ice vs the other teams top lines at this stage in their careers.
 
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AV needs to keep Staal and Clendenning together to let them build some more chemistry. I really liked both of their games tonight.
 
Inferno said:
McIlrath can shoot the puck twice as hard as Staal.

that wasnt really even a bomb either, i think Jones just misplayed it.
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That goal had a lot to do with Staal's awareness that he could drift down from the point to almost the high slot to take that shot. Jones had a lot less time to react with all the chaos in front of him, and Staal was smart enough to recognize that.
 
I've liked Staal so far this season. Girardi on the other hand was crap in the first 2 games.

Gotta say, Marc doesn't look bad at all and I've been very critical of him. I still don't forgive the organization for giving him and Girardi their contracts over Stralman.

So yeah, for me to come out and say that says a lot.
 
You know...ive been fine with Staal this season...not a 5+ mil a year player..but hes not killed us. at least not to my eye test...i havent looked at his stats.
 
He's played well lately.

Just give him a partner that can move the puck ffs. Not Nick Holden.
 
silverfish said:
I don't know if it's that simple. He and Skjei have been absolute trash in their very limited time together. Could be an L+L thing.

Clendening? Seems obvious.
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Have they? I remember them being strong against Calgary.

Was the Edmonton game that bad?
 
You know what bothers me more than anything about Marc Staal?

People can talk about his passing, his shooting, etc.

But the thing that bothers me the most is pretty simple...its this sequence of events that happens, literally, 15 times a game.

Staal receives the puck in his own zone, either through a takeaway, a turnover, or a pass.
Staal looks down to find puck
looks back up to find passing lanes
looks back down to make sure puck is there
looks back up to make sure passing lane is still there
passing lane is gone
decides to skate the puck up
looks down to find puck again
starts skating
dumps the puck in
team retrieves the puck
passes it to staal
staal receives pass
staal looks down to make sure hes got the puck
looks up to find passing lane
cant find a lane
looks back down to make sure puck is still there
looks up..oh look..still no passing lane...and now no shooting lane
staal dumps the puck up the boards

literally...happens so many times every game i feel like it's deja vu or something.
 
Marc Staal is frustrating because even when he plays well he sucks.

He's so limited. He has no value with the puck on his stick. Has absolutely no skating, escapability, or puck talent to speak of.
 
Inferno said:
You know what bothers me more than anything about Marc Staal?

People can talk about his passing, his shooting, etc.

But the thing that bothers me the most is pretty simple...its this sequence of events that happens, literally, 15 times a game.

Staal receives the puck in his own zone, either through a takeaway, a turnover, or a pass.
Staal looks down to find puck
looks back up to find passing lanes
looks back down to make sure puck is there
looks back up to make sure passing lane is still there
passing lane is gone
decides to skate the puck up
looks down to find puck again
starts skating
dumps the puck in
team retrieves the puck
passes it to staal
staal receives pass
staal looks down to make sure hes got the puck
looks up to find passing lane
cant find a lane
looks back down to make sure puck is still there
looks up..oh look..still no passing lane...and now no shooting lane
staal dumps the puck up the boards

literally...happens so many times every game i feel like it's deja vu or something.
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Good summary. He also does this in the d zone on a regular basis:

puck is dumped in
Staal goes to retrieve puck
Staal fumbles puck
Opposing forechecker closes in on him
Staal Eats the puck in the boards
Staal loses board battle
Opposing forechecker gains possession of pucl
Forechecker throws puck to point
Opposing team now has possession

That sequence happens about... idk 5-8 times a game. it's unacceptable for a guy making $5.7M
 
Inferno said:
You know what bothers me more than anything about Marc Staal?

People can talk about his passing, his shooting, etc.

But the thing that bothers me the most is pretty simple...its this sequence of events that happens, literally, 15 times a game.

Staal receives the puck in his own zone, either through a takeaway, a turnover, or a pass.
Staal looks down to find puck
looks back up to find passing lanes
looks back down to make sure puck is there
looks back up to make sure passing lane is still there
passing lane is gone
decides to skate the puck up
looks down to find puck again
starts skating
dumps the puck in
team retrieves the puck
passes it to staal
staal receives pass
staal looks down to make sure hes got the puck
looks up to find passing lane
cant find a lane
looks back down to make sure puck is still there
looks up..oh look..still no passing lane...and now no shooting lane
staal dumps the puck up the boards

literally...happens so many times every game i feel like it's deja vu or something.
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Impossible, he is reformed and back to the Staal of old.

Hes sucked dinosaur nuts for the better part of 2+ seasons. Outside of defending the rush, theres literally nothing he does well.
 
Inferno said:
You know what bothers me more than anything about Marc Staal?

People can talk about his passing, his shooting, etc.

But the thing that bothers me the most is pretty simple...its this sequence of events that happens, literally, 15 times a game.

Staal receives the puck in his own zone, either through a takeaway, a turnover, or a pass.
Staal looks down to find puck
looks back up to find passing lanes
looks back down to make sure puck is there
looks back up to make sure passing lane is still there
passing lane is gone
decides to skate the puck up
looks down to find puck again
starts skating
dumps the puck in
team retrieves the puck
passes it to staal
staal receives pass
staal looks down to make sure hes got the puck
looks up to find passing lane
cant find a lane
looks back down to make sure puck is still there
looks up..oh look..still no passing lane...and now no shooting lane
staal dumps the puck up the boards

literally...happens so many times every game i feel like it's deja vu or something.
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That's the most hilarious break down of a player I've ever seen. Pretty spot on too. :laugh:
 
Aside from that he's slow as molasses and the minute he gets the puck on defense the other team, knowing his puck skills are those of a 78 year old, closes in and he loses the puck in his skates. Other than that, he's killing us in the offensive zone as well.
 
I really have no issues with Staal so far this season, and actually think he's been better this year than last year (not a high bar).

He barely moves the bar on relSA% and his relGF% should lower if it falls in line with his relxGF% which is slightly lower (-3.54% and -2% respectively).

Since 11/1, when this team started sucking, Staal is one of three d-men with a positive relative SA%. The other two are Holden and Klein (believe it or not). Girardi is dragging McDonagh down to such horrid levels that we've never even seen before. Same timeframe, McD is a -1.96 relSA% player and Girardi is -7.60%

Now, it should be pointed out that Staal's positive relSA% in November, he's still a -46 in raw differential.

This team has been bad

In fact, the Rangers have zero positive shot attempt differential players in the month of November. The highest player? 0.

It's Clendening and his 16.5 mins of ice time.
 
eyjee said:
I really have no issues with Staal so far this season, and actually think he's been better this year than last year (not a high bar).

He barely moves the bar on relSA% and his relGF% should lower if it falls in line with his relxGF% which is slightly lower (-3.54% and -2% respectively).

Since 11/1, when this team started sucking, Staal is one of three d-men with a positive relative SA%. The other two are Holden and Klein (believe it or not). Girardi is dragging McDonagh down to such horrid levels that we've never even seen before. Same timeframe, McD is a -1.96 relSA% player and Girardi is -7.60%

Now, it should be pointed out that Staal's positive relSA% in November, he's still a -46 in raw differential.

This team has been bad

In fact, the Rangers have zero positive shot attempt differential players in the month of November. The highest player? 0.

It's Clendening and his 16.5 mins of ice time.
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Do you think Klein has played well this month?
 
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