Tawnos
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It is, but the Staals were unaware the possessed that gene. That's why the rest of them all added visors.
Proposal: Marc Staal
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It is, but the Staals were unaware the possessed that gene. That's why the rest of them all added visors.
If Staal is traded to the Canes, I'd be willing to bet the 1st rounder will be the "second piece" in the deal. An NHLer needs to come back. As much as I'd like that NHLer to be Faulk, I think he's an untouchable for the Canes.
That being said, I think the top-5 players in this draft (Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov and Nichushkin) are all pretty close to being NHL ready. They might not help next season, but 2014 is certainly a real possibility. So if the Canes can stay in 5th, that pick is very valuable.
That being said, I think the top-5 players in this draft (Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov and Nichushkin) are all pretty close to being NHL ready. They might not help next season, but 2014 is certainly a real possibility. So if the Canes can stay in 5th, that pick is very valuable.
Bingo. QFT. Only other scenario is that Carolina pays an obscene price. No 1 defensemen don't grow on trees. Especially ones on cost controlled contracts. I fail to see why a large portion of the fan base is so charitable in their return.
What did Alex Goligoski, playing 3rd pair EV min and 2nd unit PP fetch?
Skinner to start, Faulk to sweeten, and then we start talking.
BLOCKERSAVE
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What "IF" the Rangers win the SC. And Staal gets his SC. With it be wise to trade him and get some assets?
Philly traded Carter for Couturier(8th pick in the draft),Voracek and a 3rd. If Staal can't commit to the Rangers long-term and has designs on joining his brothers in Carolina,the Rangers need to protect the organization. Tampering? The Staal brothers can talk to Marc about Carolina. Rutherford can't have any discussions with the Staal brothers about Marc. Rutherford was confident about Jordan signing an extension. He said the Staal brothers wanted to play on the same team and was confident about signing Jordan. Who told him that? Eric. The GM isn't allowed to discuss players on a different team with a player on his roster.
True, but Eric can say to Rutherford, "Jordan will sign here long-term if you trade for him." Can do the same for Marc.
broadwayblue
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If we win a cup I'm ok with moving some assets to reload for the future. But that's a big if.
It becomes apparent Staal doesn't want to sign an extension with the Rangers in July 2014 and he wants to play in Carolina,the Rangers try to move him to Carolina. Pittsburgh had the Rangers to use against Carolina to get their asking price. The Rangers don't have another team to use as leverage. The Rangers were trying to acquire Jordan in a trade last June. Sather spoke to Shero. So its either accept what the Canes are offering next summer or keep Staal for 14-15 and he walks for nothing. Trading him this summer gets Carolina 2 years of Staal before he becomes a group III. I love Staal but is really a #1 D? The offensive game isn't there for him to be a #1 D. Don't say he will add offense because Staal is 26 years old. He isn't the young kid in his 3rd year anynore. He may only have one good eye going forward. There is no guarantee the vision will be 100% clear. The organization comes before any player.
HatTrick Swayze
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Moving Staal may be the best way to maximize asset value. It also may not be the best way to maximize Cup value.
The next two seasons are the Rangers main window where they still have young talent on ELCs/2nd contracts and can also have higher UFA deals on the books. Staal's value to the team over that window is significantly more than even a 5th/6th overall 18y/o kid.
Next 5 years? Yea I'd take the pick. 9x out of 10 in this scenario I'd take the pick actually. But in this instance I think Staal and his ability to contribute to the Rangers window is worth more.
Also, as RB pointed out, compared to the Pens the Rangers have a lot less leverage. Likely wouldn't even be able to get their pick this year. Would I trade Staal for McBain and a 2014 1st? No chance.
The next two seasons are the Rangers main window where they still have young talent on ELCs/2nd contracts and can also have higher UFA deals on the books. Staal's value to the team over that window is significantly more than even a 5th/6th overall 18y/o kid.
Next 5 years? Yea I'd take the pick. 9x out of 10 in this scenario I'd take the pick actually. But in this instance I think Staal and his ability to contribute to the Rangers window is worth more.
Also, as RB pointed out, compared to the Pens the Rangers have a lot less leverage. Likely wouldn't even be able to get their pick this year. Would I trade Staal for McBain and a 2014 1st? No chance.
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How do we have less leverage? Jordan wanted to go to carolina. Were the pens really going to trade him to us, a division rival?
If Marc decides he wants to go to carolina, we can trade him, but we are under no obligation to trade him to carolina. We can trade him anywhere we want and he can sign with carolina when he becomes UFA.
Jordan was going to sign an extension with the Rangers or Carolina. Those were the two teams bidding for Jordan. He was one year away from group III. Not many teams were giving up significant assets for one year knowing Jordan was going to leave. Its like the Rangers with Richards. Dallas refused to move Richards in the summer of 2010 when the Rangers inquired about him. Dallas know their odds of getting Richards re-signed were a longshot with the flux in ownership. Dallas had a terrific first half in 10-11. Then Richards suffered the concussion and the Stars slumped. Then Nieuwendyk decided he wanted to move Richards and demanded all of the assets from the Rangers. Sather was willing to wait until July. Sather was willing to acquire Richards at the deadline for the right price. Richards had a no move so he controlled the situation. Nieuwendyk lost his job on Saturday. Not very surprising.
Fitzy
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If the argument is that we'd get more for Staal this offseason, that's difficult to contest. I think the counterargument would be that losing Staal for next year hurts our chances of winning a cup in another year of our "window."
Though, you could argue that the emergence of Stepan,the -3 year flip of Gaborik for Nash, has extended our window a bit.
Though, you could argue that the emergence of Stepan,the -3 year flip of Gaborik for Nash, has extended our window a bit.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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So No other team would want Staal's services? I find that hard to believe.
He scored 11 points in 21 games, on pace for 25 over 48, that would place him top 20 which is clearly #1 category.
If there's a real risk he's only going to Carolina? No. Nobody else would trade for him.
On-pace doesn't mean very much, especially in shortened season where Chris Kunitz was a better than PPG player who outscored both Sedins, Datsyuk, Toews, and Parise.
He's never topped 29 points in his career. You can bend the stats however you like, but a true #1 defender is elite in both ends of the ice. Staal is elite defensively, but average offensively.
broadwayblue
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By that definition there are only a handful of #1 defensemen. Certainly nowhere close to 30. You don't have to be an elite offensive force to be considered a #1 dman. Marc Staal would be the best dman on at least half the teams in the league.
The point was he doesn't have an offensive game, which is not true.
You can also bend the facts to build a case to trade Staal, he is still number 1.
Which is why it's the correct definition. True "#1 defensemen" are few and far between. #1 guys are "do it all" players. They play the hardest minutes and are a major factor in the offensive zone as well. Staal is a top-pairing defender without question, but he is not a true #1 at this point.
So we are now talking about "true" number 1's, not just number 1's?
If he were a "true" number 1 by your definition, First + Faulk + Tlusty is not remotely close.
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To me, #1 defenseman is mathematically defined. Just like the number of starting goalies and state senators.
And he isn't a true #1 by my definition, so what's the point of even bringing that up? We're talking about Marc Staal, not Shea Weber or Zdeno Chara.
So then there should only be, at most, 15 "#1" defenders in the NHL. Even if that was the case, Staal wouldn't be on that list.
Going back to Staal, he is a number 1 signed to a sweetheart of a deal, is part of the core. If Carlina wants him, they have to pony up.
If Sather puts him on the trade block, i can think of many teams that would want him on their blue line and would be willing to pay up.
The notion that we have to accept Carolina's offer or he walks is a stretch.
If Sather puts him on the trade block, i can think of many teams that would want him on their blue line and would be willing to pay up.
The notion that we have to accept Carolina's offer or he walks is a stretch.
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