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Who do you want to keep?

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Mats13 said:
I know what you’re trying to say, but Clarkson was not better than Hyman lmao that’s just a horrible take
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Going into UFA

30 goals in 80GP and 12 pts in 24 GP in playoffs
15 goals in 48 GP and no playoff appearance

Hyman was on pace for about 28, but didn't actually do it...and Canadian division only along with 1 pt in 7 GP

Year prior 21G in 51GP and 3 pts in 5GP in playoffs.

Clarkson didn't last much longer though after we signed him, body broke down. I would want nothing to do with that contract, that's the biggest message I am trying to convey.
 
Mitch Matthews said:
Are you comparing Hyman to those clowns you listed?
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At age 28 Clowe had 28g and 62p. Ladd had 24g 62p the season he turned 29. Okposo scored at a 55p pace at age 28, then started an immediate decline. Backes would be a dream outcome. Zach has missed 13 and 19 games the last two seasons so he doesn't project more positively than these guys. He isn't signing a 3 year deal and I don't think they can even afford him at a salary that starts with a 4. I think the bidding for him will start at 5 x 5 and he would be a fool not to take that money.

The Leafs are probably going to have to unload Rielly for cap reasons as well. The club spent to the max and the flat cap hit. They can't afford more veteran deals even if they were desperate to keep a lineup together that hasn't won anything. Rielly and Campbell will want a raise in a year, they probably won't run with a $1M backup, and if Kerfoot is moved they will need that money to spend on an actual #3c.

They will need to do better than the aging vets they added for peanuts (except Spezza)and they really can't afford to be shut out of even $2M value talent if it is there because this lineup isn't good enough yet. Predicting any reliable improvement from Galchenyuk., Engvall or Mikheyev is really risky as is penciling in Robertson for a major role. I think they have about $3M to spare for Zachs spot in the lineup so they need a different Zach. I like Hyman but it would be crazy optimistic to expect to keep him. That would be a deal they could have entertained with no JT but they can't risk multiple players signed into decline.
 
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Hyman/Spezza/Bogo the most. Gally and Dermott for the last 2. Hyman is likely gone. He's gonna get at least 5M on the open market, maybe 6M. I think the oilers snag him. We need to find a way to keep him.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
Going into UFA

30 goals in 80GP and 12 pts in 24 GP in playoffs
15 goals in 48 GP and no playoff appearance

Hyman was on pace for about 28, but didn't actually do it...and Canadian division only along with 1 pt in 7 GP

Year prior 21G in 51GP and 3 pts in 5GP in playoffs.

Clarkson didn't last much longer though after we signed him, body broke down. I would want nothing to do with that contract, that's the biggest message I am trying to convey.
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Raw totals are not everything. Clarkson got his goals by standing there while Kovalchuk shot it off him and in.

Let’s talk about real stats shall we? Prior to entering UFA, Clarkson put up 15 goals and 9 assists in 48 games. Not the 30G you’re claiming. He was a year removed from that.

Hyman had 15 goals and 18 assists in 43 games.

Hyman is so much better than Clarkson ever was. It’s not even funny.

I could include their advances stats but that would just show that Hymans a top 6 forward and Clarkson was an AHLer. Which anyone with eyes could see.

This is just a horrible take and you should accept that.
 
We are bringing bezack simmonds, bogosian and spezza out of these. They will be very cheap all of them, not costing over a 1 million none of these suckas. They is all leaders, still play heavy gezame and some of them even scesore and take faceoffs (spezza). Simmonds has already become a leader of this team, so he stays. Joe and others are out. FOR LIFE SIRE.

We will also get us some new blood in, thug wise. We will sign some treal killa fool, who'll take care of bidness in the plezayoffs. Like a rinaldo or somebody. Wait and see. That sucka also will cost us fool money: 600k or 700k. Fool money.
 
Bluelines said:
The Toronto Maple Leafs have a lot of UFAs. That was the undercurrent of the cap calculation that shows both a lot of offseason cap space and a lot of open jobs on the extended roster.

Article continues here: Maple Leafs Free Agents are already leaving

Who do you want back?

I gave you the chance to pick 5 players.
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I love the title of the thread BTW. It's dramatic, and makes it seem like no one is interested in coming back.

;)
 
Mats13 said:
Raw totals are not everything. Clarkson got his goals by standing there while Kovalchuk shot it off him and in.

Let’s talk about real stats shall we? Prior to entering UFA, Clarkson put up 15 goals and 9 assists in 48 games. Not the 30G you’re claiming. He was a year removed from that.

Hyman had 15 goals and 18 assists in 43 games.

Hyman is so much better than Clarkson ever was. It’s not even funny.

I could include their advances stats but that would just show that Hymans a top 6 forward and Clarkson was an AHLer. Which anyone with eyes could see.

This is just a horrible take and you should accept that.
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I don't care about advanced stats, Leafs win the XGF% cup or whatever, cool.

The public stats we have available might help you pick between a bottom pair D or somethin but if you don't know who a top 6F/top 4D is then you don't know hockey.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I don't care about advanced stats, Leafs win the XGF% cup or whatever, cool.

The public stats we have available might help you pick between a bottom pair D or somethin but if you don't know who a top 6F/top 4D is then you don't know hockey.
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I see you conveniently ignored everything else.

If you think Clarkson is even comparable to Hyman, you don’t understand hockey. That much is clear.

Can’t say I’m shocked given you outright lied with your “stats”.
 
Very on the fence about Dermott and it would depend on Bogo coming back as well.

They looked good together as a 3rd pairing albeit not over a huge sample of games.
 
Mats13 said:
I see you conveniently ignored everything else.

If you think Clarkson is even comparable to Hyman, you don’t understand hockey. That much is clear.

Can’t say I’m shocked given you outright lied with your “stats”.
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Hyman's stats are inflated by playing with Matthews + Marner/88

Pretty obvious.
 
Mats13 said:
Ya cuz Clarkson had to play with scrubs like Kovalchuk and Elias :laugh:

Give it a rest
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Never played with Kovalchuk...or Elias a significant amount in his 30 goal season. Matthews is obviously a significantly better player than Elias would have been at 35-36 years old

You're losing but the data is below.

Elias had 36 pts in 48GP in 12-13
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Elias had 78 pts in 81GP in 11-12 but only played with Elias around 12-13% of the time.

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Suntouchable13 said:
Hyman at 5 mil for 1 point in 7 playoff games for a supposed “playoff player”? Laughable. He is overrated. Good 3rd liner, that shouldn’t be on the top line.
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And players like Hyman who take until 23+ to become NHLers usually start trailing off very close to their 30th birthday, sometimes rapidly. Love the guy's game much of the time but it would be a mistake to give him too much term and too high aav. Plus he has never produced in the playoffs.
 
Love Hyman, but we can't afford him.

Keep bogo, spezza and gally for <1M
Spezza plays until he proves he's a liability, and he's nowhere close to that yet.

We need to spend money on a productive 3rd line, and fill the rest in with RFAs and cheap UFAs.
 
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socko said:
I said yes to Hyman because I don't know what he's asking for. If he really turned down $5 from Dubas. Just another reason to fire Dubas, as if we needed another.
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And that's Dubas' fault how? Is 5mil a bit high? A bit. But not by much considering how many points Hyman can put up and the quality of player he is.
 
Leafs1991 said:
And that's Dubas' fault how? Is 5mil a bit high? A bit. But not by much considering how many points Hyman can put up and the quality of player he is.
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How about a comparable goal scorer on the Leafs the past 2 seasons..

Goal scoring statistics by linemates since Marner signed his $10.9 mil AAV deal.

Zach Hyman (TBD ? )

2019-20 .... 51 games .. 21 goals & playoffs .. 5 games 1 goals.
2020-21 .....43 games ...15 goals & playoffs ...7 games 1 goals.

Total last 2 years = 94 games .. 36 regular season and 2 playoff goals.

Mitch Marner (@ $10.9 mil AAV)

2019-20 .... 59 games .. 16 goals & playoffs .. 5 games 0 goals.
2020-21 .....55 games ...20 goals & playoffs ...7 games 0 goals.

Total last 2 years = 114 games .. 36 regular season and 0 playoff goals.

So for the same amount of goals is Hyman worth 1/2 Marner's AAV ?
 
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