Blue Jays Discussion: Manoah gets the Halladay treatment (optioned to rookie-ball to try and fix him)

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what did Brandon Belt do that people are calling him human trash? Seems like something beyond baseball. All I can think of is he either murdered someone, or worse he disagreed with something and didn't want to revel in it's righteousness.
 
what did Brandon Belt do that people are calling him human trash? Seems like something beyond baseball. All I can think of is he either murdered someone, or worse he disagreed with something and didn't want to revel in it's righteousness.

He was poor, very poor to start the season. That obviously set off Shaner to the point that he referred to him as “literal trash”? “Human trash”? I can’t remember but something to that effect. Well that mountain heap of garbage has caught fire and the trash moniker has stuck.
 
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He was poor, very poor to start the season. That obviously set off Shaner to the point that he referred to him as “literal trash”? “Human trash”? I can’t remember but something to that effect. Well that mountain heap of garbage has caught fire and the trash moniker has stuck.
ok good thought it might be something that would make me dislike him. This group is frustrating but at least they are likable
 
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I don't understand the "it's just left field" argument. A run saved is a run saved, and he's been elite in LF and when filling in in CF.
You didn’t answer the question though. I think Varsho’s offence likely balances out anyway towards the end of the year, but if not. Let’s not pretend this was a win please.
 
So here's something that's been buggin me... The team is struggling, bullpen guys are struggling, the trade market is not live yet to try to make a deal.

We literally have nobody in the minor leagues for depth thats hitting well or pitching well.

When does the management get held responsible for the poor scouting and inability to find talent?

How do the Rays continually find these players and they turn out to be gems? They always have some people stepping up. Nobody's stepping up for this team.

I don't get why one of these rich but constantly underperforming franchises hasn't yet hired away the entire Tampa scouting/mgmt staff all the way from the minors to the majors. These guys are making relatively peanuts. For the price of one Brandon Belt you can probably get most of them.

Hell, we should do it.
 
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ok good thought it might be something that would make me dislike him. This group is frustrating but at least they are likable
Nah it's just trolling lol.

Everyone refers to him as irredeemable human garbage because a certain troglodyte correlates a poor start to human character.

I don't get why one of these rich but constantly underperforming franchises hasn't yet hired away the entire Tampa scouting/mgmt staff all the way from the minors to the majors. These guys are making relatively peanuts. For the price of one Brandon Belt you can probably get most of them.

Hell, we should do it.
The Dodgers kinda did that with Friedman.

Only problem was the Rays had a clone hiding underneath the trop.
 
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This team won't win shit with 'Schneider the Clown' as skipper

I know they have many other areas on their roster to address, but what's the point when your manager is such a goof??

I really think it's time for a front office house cleaning very soon, and then name Mattingly as the new skipper and go from there

This should've all been done at the end of last season, but now they might have to play out this season while looking for replacements for Shapiro, Atkins and whoever else though it was a good idea to sign Schneider to a new 3 year contract

What a f**king mess
 
This team won't win shit with 'Schneider the Clown' as skipper

I know they have many other areas on their roster to address, but what's the point when your manager is such a goof??

I really think it's time for a front office house cleaning very soon, and then name Mattingly as the new skipper and go from there

This should've all been done at the end of last season, but now they might have to play out this season while looking for replacements for Shapiro, Atkins and whoever else though it was a good idea to sign Schneider to a new 3 year contract

What a f**king mess
I would be stunned to see Shapiro gone. He’s been in charge of a very successful stadium renovations among other things.

Atkins might go and Click take over but the team would really have to tank.

Schneider just signed and although he’s made some weird decisions at times, he’s not the problem. The problem now is the team is going through a putrid hitting stretch. If it continues, I could see Martinez get canned.
 
A good manager is paid to manage the team, get the most out of his players and make good decisions on and off the field

Schneider has done none of the above this season

He should've been given his walking papers after last year's 8-1 wildcard meltdown

I personally have NO faith in him to turn this thing around, and find it hard to even want to watch any more Blue Jays games with him as skipper
 
I'll throw out a hockey analogy here. The Florida Panthers weren't a very good regular season team this season and only made it into the playoffs by 1 point... but their roster is better built for the playoffs and are on the verge of a cup final. The Jays need to make it to the playoffs first like the Panthers, but I feel if we make it to the playoffs we're better built for the playoffs compared with last season with improved defence and pitching, even if our regular season isn't as good. What happens right now is pretty irrelevant if we make it to the playoffs. And there's so much baseball left that we could get in.
 
I would be stunned to see Shapiro gone. He’s been in charge of a very successful stadium renovations among other things.

Atkins might go and Click take over but the team would really have to tank.

Schneider just signed and although he’s made some weird decisions at times, he’s not the problem. The problem now is the team is going through a putrid hitting stretch. If it continues, I could see Martinez get canned.
What has Martinez done wrong?
 
Gurriel Jr is tearing it up, do we still prefer Varsho?

Does anyone notice that Gurriel already has more homeruns than he did last year? Can't we just be happy that a change of scenery worked for him? Plus not only does he have one year remaining on his contract, but he can't play CF.
 
I get that Otto is on the 40 man and Espinal is unlikely to be out long, but Otto has done nothing to deserve a promotion. Lineup is scuffling, why not get a hot bat like Ernie Clement, Rafael Lantigua or Davis Schneider to try and see what they could bring?
 
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Who are some candidates to move out if they fall completely out of the playoff race?

Chapman
Kiermaier
Any Reliever

and maybe

Springer
Gausman
Berrios
 
Who are some candidates to move out if they fall completely out of the playoff race?

Chapman
Kiermaier
Any Reliever

and maybe

Springer
Gausman
Berrios

I highly doubt they'd move anyone with a long term contract. Chapman and Kiermaier only for something of higher value than a comp pick.
 
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Get rid of da cheapoos from Cleveland please .. get some top end baseball mgrs who know pitching .. and get us a top of rotation lefty so we can compete in AL east .. otherwise this core is wasted much like Leafs core
 
Does anyone notice that Gurriel already has more homeruns than he did last year? Can't we just be happy that a change of scenery worked for him? Plus not only does he have one year remaining on his contract, but he can't play CF.

Are we happy that Moreno was tossed into the trade mix as well? The jays just dealt two all star calibre players for a 4th outfielder and defensive replacement.

Atkins blew it big time.
 
Get rid of da cheapoos from Cleveland please .. get some top end baseball mgrs who know pitching .. and get us a top of rotation lefty so we can compete in AL east .. otherwise this core is wasted much like Leafs core

The Jays top prospect is literally a TOR lefty. And then they have another TOR lefty right behind him.
 
Are we happy that Moreno was tossed into the trade mix as well? The jays just dealt two all star calibre players for a 4th outfielder and defensive replacement.

Atkins blew it big time.

What has Moreno shown this year to prove he’s an AS catcher? Walks down, strikeouts up, unsustainably high BABIP and his wRC+ is still under 100. Sure, Gurriel has been hot but with him having a down year in 2022 and only having one year remaining on his contract his value was never high to begin with.

Jays have been known to sell high or try to recuperate value for prospects that have plateaued or started to show red flags. Martin, Groshans, Moreno, all with obvious power issues. I really like Moreno and expect him to bounce back but I also expect Varsho to contribute too. It’s weird to say Moreno and Varsho are on two opposite ends of the spectrum when they’re both in the same WAR range.
 
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