Blue Jays Discussion: Manoah gets the Halladay treatment (optioned to rookie-ball to try and fix him)
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Canada4Gold
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Orelvis' stat line is just bananas. He has a .081 BABIP and a .731 OPS. Imagine if anything he hit in play went for a hit.
He has a 28% K rate (same as last year).
I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but BABIP doesn't count any HR so he is 5 for 62 for BABIP. That being said, he's traded line drives for fly balls so far this year, which would hurt his BABIP.
He's also hitting a higher percentage of his fly balls out of the park FWIW.
This is all small sample though. In a perfect world, I'd love to see him brought to the complex to work on his 2 strike approach so that he can implement it in a game situation shortly after.
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Checked the standings today….LOL. One ,or likely two, of NY, Balt, Tor will not make the playoffs.
Every day that Biggio spends on this roster is more wasted time when he should be in AAA making adjustments. Nothing about his current hitting profile projects success (38.5 K-rate combined with a high IFFB rate). It's a small sample, but unless he's getting regular at-bats, he isn't going to fix the problem.
On the "good news on the farm" front, both Clements and Lantigua are off to good starts. Clements has more walks than strikeouts, which suggests that his statline would transition well.
On the "good news on the farm" front, both Clements and Lantigua are off to good starts. Clements has more walks than strikeouts, which suggests that his statline would transition well.
Eyedea
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Even if he hit 100% of his BIP's as flyballs a .078 BABIP would still be unsustainable. That's 40 points below the major league BABIP on just flyballs.
Not just more BB than K, but more than three times as many BB (13/4).... that's crazy. He also has more HR than K (5/4). He's a lot younger and having a way more impressive start, but it's reminding me a lot of what Eric Sogard did to earn a promotion a few years ago. Obviously the team is in a much different spot, but he's more than earned a shot, and Biggio has more than earned some time in Buffalo.
On Orelvis, despite the 88 wRC+, I feel way better about him now than I did before the season started. The K's have dropped a few percentage points (now at 25.4%), and the power is off the charts right now. As an extreme flyball hitter with lots of pop-ups, he's never going to run a high (or probably even average) BABIP, but .078 is way below the normal range for any batted ball profile. If you look at other minor leaguers with a similar FB% (say, within 2 percentage points) the next lowest BABIP is .195, and Orelvis's IFFB% is on the lower end. He has a long way to go, but I feel pretty good about where his numbers will end up by the end of the year.
Moreno and Guriel both hitting over .300
Will be one of the worst trades ever.
Kirk and Jansen are embarrassing.
Will be one of the worst trades ever.
Kirk and Jansen are embarrassing.
saska sault
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Its pretty early to give it a win or lose, Varsho has not set the world on fire but we have him for 5 more years? Ill give it the better part of a year before passing judgement but early signs are not the most encouraging . He could be gripping the bat a little tight as he was the one in the trade with the most pressure to come out and perform out of the gate.
always gotta look at who you're responding to for context in this situation, imo
Ya and just ignore stats. Good idea
And I’m ok with Varsho. He plays hard. However playing hard and production are different worlds. We likely lost a generational catcher…. For a guy who can play hard?
This team could use a player that just pummels flyballs every chance he gets. In Martinez We Trust.
If they had've kept Gurriel, you'd be beside yourself livid at the very first botched flyball. However, I'm happy to revisit this when Gurriel inevitably crashes back down to earth.
If they had've kept Gurriel, you'd be beside yourself livid at the very first botched flyball. However, I'm happy to revisit this when Gurriel inevitably crashes back down to earth.
Likely true and it’s all fine and dandy to revisit this but time is passing here not to mention Varshos stats were nothing to talk about last year. He was acquired based on potential. He’s a career .230 hitter. We are going to regret this trade so bad. Hope I’m wrong
Haha "just ignore stats".... you posted one stat and it's batting average over a sample of a month and a half.
Fun fact: Varsho had a 106 wRC+ last year and was the best defensive player in baseball. "Generational catcher" Moreno has a 103 wRC+ this year.
ShaneFalco
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And ya gotta give up good players, to get good players (and on better contracts)
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Last year pitching and D prevented them from winning big, this year it’s probably just the pitching.
But still, for the next couple of seasons they’ll continue to be ~ 90 win team chasing a playoff spot with great attendance and tv audience. I don’t think they’ll regret it.
Eyedea
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Love Moreno but it's looking more and more like he's not even close to being in that generational or even superstar tier of catching. He hits like it's the deadball era all over again. Short and longterm I'm still taking Kirk's bat. The only thing I've been questionable on is Kirk's game calling with Manoah.
All five of those teams aren't staying this hot.
Tampa is legit. That much we know. Not "on pace to set a record" good, but still very much good enough to be considered a top contender for the world series.
Baltimore is probably legit but their heater is being overinflated with a piss easy schedule and guys playing way, way above their heads. (Namely Jorge Mateo, a career 86 OPS+ hitter currently just under 30 above his career average) Serious darkhorse potential because while their starting pitching is absolutely garbage their bullpen is lights out. Not a team i would want to run into come october given their pen's ability to turn a 9 inning game into a 6 inning one most nights.
The Jays are the Jays. I think they're legit too. Tough start to the season schedule with tougher teams and having played the majority of their games thus far on the road. Team is playing well even with key contributors (Manoah, Springer) playing way below their expectations.
Boston is a mirage. Hitting is red hot but their starting pitching is worse than the O's and their bullpen is a trash fire. Benefitted from a soft schedule to open the year.
The Yankees are also trash. Over 500 right now but their lineup is trash and their rotation is in shambles given they lost Montas before the season started and Rodon likely doesn't pitch this year.
If i had to pick i think the bottom two flame out. The three top teams all have positive qualities that don't look to be a flash in the pan.
trellaine201
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Surprisingly I like Varsho for his defence. Not sure about his arm though. He is still relatively young. Any offence is really a bonus. I think he will be ok offensively. 
Suntouchable13
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Jays not scoring runs right now. I don’t think everything has clicked just yet as far as the offence goes. Springer is struuuuuugling! Hopefully Vlad is ok.
His arm is one of the weaker ones in the league, yet he's gotten significant value out of it since becoming an outfielder... he leads outfielders in DRS's version of throwing runs saved over the last two years and is near the top in UZR's version.Surprisingly I like Varsho for his defence. Not sure about his arm though. He is still relatively young. Any offence is really a bonus. I think he will be ok offensively.
I think last night's OF assist is a perfect example of his strength in throwing: he read the ball well, ran a perfect route to cut it off before it hit the wall, made a smooth, quick transition from fielding to throwing, and made an accurate throw with a good bounce for the 2B to be able to apply the tag.
Compare that to a guy like Gurriel... he's the complete opposite but still gets decent value because he has an absolute cannon. He'll make some throws that Varsho wouldn't be able to make, but there's also no chance he makes that play last night because he would have been too slow getting to it and would have had to play it off the wall.
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