BloodRedArmy
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Haha. I mean the general rule of being aggressive on these boards. I don' think we've ever had the pleasure, tbh.As opposed to my usual? Hehe
Haha. I mean the general rule of being aggressive on these boards. I don' think we've ever had the pleasure, tbh.As opposed to my usual? Hehe
Draft picks being good, especially gems in the late rounds.
Check the percentages round by round for players that play 200 games, we’re a pretty good drafting team.
depends on who you ask and how you measure. The Athletic did one where the Sens were bottom 3rd looking at it a couple different ways.Are we? Seems like we're slightly above average, but nothing amazing.
depends on who you ask, over what period and how you measure. The Athletic did one using drafts (2005-2016) where the Sens were bottom 3rd looking at it a couple different ways.Are we? Seems like we're slightly above average, but nothing amazing.
It really depends on what timeframe you look at.Are we? Seems like we're slightly above average, but nothing amazing.
2015 DraftIt really depends on what timeframe you look at.
Muckler years were terrible, he bet on russians and lost big, also misses in the first
Murray from 2006-2011, very good, some home runs in Karlsson, Zibanejad (eventually) Hoffman and Stone, along with a slew of very good picks with guys like Lehner, Silfverburg, Pageau
2012-2014 Very, very bad... Ceci is the best player we drafted in those 3 years. You could add on 2015 and 2016 to this period, you'd get Chabot who is a homerun, but not much else of significance.
2017 was a good year aside from our 1st, Batherson and Formenton are great, and we only had 2 picks
2018 to present is a bit early to tell. Have a hit with Tkachuk and Stutzle, some likely hits with Pinto and Sanderson, and some promising players with JBD, Thomson, Sokolov, Greig ect.
I think if you looked at 2012-2017, you'd be middle of the pack. If you start with 2015 we look pretty good.
um. | Round | Player | Pos | Drafted From | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2015 Entry | 18 | 1 | Thomas Chabot | D | Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] | 313 | 42 | 146 | 188 | 150 |
2015 Entry | 21 | 1 | Colin White | C | U.S. National Development Team [USHL] | 224 | 36 | 62 | 98 | 91 |
2015 Entry | 36 | 2 | Gabriel Gagne | R | Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] | |||||
2015 Entry | 48 | 2 | Filip Chlapik | C | Charlottetown Islanders [QMJHL] | 57 | 5 | 6 | 11 | 18 |
2015 Entry | 107 | 4 | Christian Wolanin | D | Muskegon Lumberjacks [USHL] | 70 | 6 | 14 | 20 | 16 |
2015 Entry | 109 | 4 | Filip Ahl | L | HV71 Jrs. (Sweden) | |||||
2015 Entry | 139 | 5 | Christian Jaros | D | Lulea Jrs. (Sweden) | 94 | 1 | 13 | 14 | 37 |
2015 Entry | 199 | 7 | Joey Daccord | G | Cushing Academy (Mass. H.S.) | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
2015 Draft
um. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2015 Entry 18 1 Thomas Chabot D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 313 42 146 188 150 2015 Entry 21 1 Colin White C U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 224 36 62 98 91 2015 Entry 36 2 Gabriel Gagne R Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 2015 Entry 48 2 Filip Chlapik C Charlottetown Islanders [QMJHL] 57 5 6 11 18 2015 Entry 107 4 Christian Wolanin D Muskegon Lumberjacks [USHL] 70 6 14 20 16 2015 Entry 109 4 Filip Ahl L HV71 Jrs. (Sweden) 2015 Entry 139 5 Christian Jaros D Lulea Jrs. (Sweden) 94 1 13 14 37 2015 Entry 199 7 Joey Daccord G Cushing Academy (Mass. H.S.) 14 0 0 0 0
2015 is considered by some as the best draft class of the last decade
We currently have Thomas Chabot to show for it.
Chabot was an excellent pick.
White was good at the time although many preferred Boeser or Konecny. We know how that pick turned out.
Traded up for Gagne. Bust The next pick off the board was Carlo.
Chlapik people liked but the next pick off the board was Roope Hintz
Wolanin showed some promise pre-injury and Filip Ahl.. both could have been Mathieu Joseph and Ethan Bear or Conor Garland
Jaros could have been Troy Terry
Joey OK .. Most everyone liked went in expansion. Still working on carving out a #2 NHL goalie role.
I think we did just ok at best in 2015 when you consider the draft class. I mean, it looked really promising for us but Wolanin, Chlapik, Jaros and White all failed to live up to the early hype. Some great players taken right after our picks too, Boeser and Konecny after white, Carlo Cernak and Gagne, Hintz and Greenway right after Chlapik.2015 Draft
um. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2015 Entry 18 1 Thomas Chabot D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 313 42 146 188 150 2015 Entry 21 1 Colin White C U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 224 36 62 98 91 2015 Entry 36 2 Gabriel Gagne R Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 2015 Entry 48 2 Filip Chlapik C Charlottetown Islanders [QMJHL] 57 5 6 11 18 2015 Entry 107 4 Christian Wolanin D Muskegon Lumberjacks [USHL] 70 6 14 20 16 2015 Entry 109 4 Filip Ahl L HV71 Jrs. (Sweden) 2015 Entry 139 5 Christian Jaros D Lulea Jrs. (Sweden) 94 1 13 14 37 2015 Entry 199 7 Joey Daccord G Cushing Academy (Mass. H.S.) 14 0 0 0 0
2015 is considered by some as the best draft class of the last decade
We currently have Thomas Chabot to show for it.
Chabot was an excellent pick.
White was good at the time although many preferred Boeser or Konecny. We know how that pick turned out.
Traded up for Gagne. Bust The next pick off the board was Carlo.
Chlapik people liked but the next pick off the board was Roope Hintz
Wolanin showed some promise pre-injury and Filip Ahl.. both could have been Mathieu Joseph and Ethan Bear or Conor Garland
Jaros could have been Troy Terry
Joey OK .. Most everyone liked went in expansion. Still working on carving out a #2 NHL goalie role.
It looked better on Draft day than it does now.. and you have to wait and see as we are told.I think we did just ok at best in 2015 when you consider the draft class. I mean, it looked really promising for us but Wolanin, Chlapik, Jaros and White all failed to live up to the early hype. Some great players taken right after our picks too, Boeser and Konecny after white, Carlo Cernak and Gagne, Hintz and Greenway right after Chlapik.
Maybe 2021 draft will be the inverse and 6 years from now we'll be taking about how all these guys came out of nowhere...It looked better on Draft day than it does now.. and you have to wait and see as we are told.
Lets see how DY+2 goes . DY +1 is not full of promise.Maybe 2021 draft will be the inverse and 6 years from now we'll be taking about how all these guys came out of nowhere...
It really depends on what timeframe you look at.
Muckler years were terrible, he bet on russians and lost big, also misses in the first
Murray from 2006-2011, very good, some home runs in Karlsson, Zibanejad (eventually) Hoffman and Stone, along with a slew of very good picks with guys like Lehner, Silfverburg, Pageau
2012-2014 Very, very bad... Ceci is the best player we drafted in those 3 years. You could add on 2015 and 2016 to this period, you'd get Chabot who is a homerun, but not much else of significance.
2017 was a good year aside from our 1st, Batherson and Formenton are great, and we only had 2 picks
2018 to present is a bit early to tell. Have a hit with Tkachuk and Stutzle, some likely hits with Pinto and Sanderson, and some promising players with JBD, Thomson, Sokolov, Greig ect.
I think if you looked at 2012-2017, you'd be middle of the pack. If you start with 2015 we look pretty good.
Looking at the Mann/Dorion era. So 2017 on. I found this interesting:
As opposed to my usual? HeheI very much appreciate this thoughtful, non-hostile response.
Also, we drafted really low for a lot of those years and our drafting sucked for many of those years…About a year ago there was a fairly interesting piece in The Athletic about the best and worst drafting teams between 2005-2016. Ottawa graded out somewhere near the bottom of the league when draft impact was analyzed via GSVA, but fairly high when looking at percentage of picks who played at least one game and games played per pick.
Sort of supports the idea that the Senators push a lot of low value roster filler into the league out of necessity.
That's not at all surprising, you've got a few of the good years of Murray's drafting bookended by the Muckler era and a really poor run from 2012-2016. 2008-2011 was really good for us, but Muckler from 2005-2007 mostly offsets that. I'm not suggesting that it's an unfair timeframe, it just happens to cover two our two worst spans in the history of the club imo (could be worse, they could have started at 2002).About a year ago there was a fairly interesting piece in The Athletic about the best and worst drafting teams between 2005-2016. Ottawa graded out somewhere near the bottom of the league when draft impact was analyzed via GSVA, but fairly high when looking at percentage of picks who played at least one game and games played per pick.
Sort of supports the idea that the Senators push a lot of low value roster filler into the league out of necessity.
We had a league average pick position for that span, they also compared GSVA to expected GSVA for a pick position and while we faired a bit better, we still didn't do well. it's hard to say we turned the corner, 2015 looked like it was going to be one of our best draft classes in franchise history until it wasn't, picks from 2018-present need to play out before we can claim we've turned a corner, though I'm hopeful.Also, we drafted really low for a lot of those years and our drafting sucked for many of those years…
We have definitely turned a corner on our drafting, perhaps come full circle since we did a pretty good job for a time…
I kinda meant more along the lines of what you were saying;We had a league average pick position for that span, they also compared GSVA to expected GSVA for a pick position and while we faired a bit better, we still didn't do well. it's hard to say we turned the corner, 2015 looked like it was going to be one of our best draft classes in franchise history until it wasn't, picks from 2018-present need to play out before we can claim we've turned a corner, though I'm hopeful.
Looking at the Mann/Dorion era. So 2017 on. I found this interesting:
outside the top 5 being the key piece you're missing.Not sure what he talking about, Brady has more points and goals than he listed. What a loser post, if your remove this guy and that guy......, you could do that with every team.
Well at first it says remove Formy and Bath only and the points listedoutside the top 5 being the key piece you're missing.
Still dumb way to look at it
Terrible take...as soon as you use the "IF" word - anything coming after should be dismissed as idle speculation.So if we remove Batherson and Formenton, two picks that are performing extremely well, and if we remove our three top 5 picks, two of whom are excellent already and one who is as can’t miss a prospect as they come, our drafting doesn’t look good?
How many teams look good at drafting if you remove their best five selections since 2017?
This is such a strange way to evaluate a team’s drafting.