I read on HF that if a team keeps all its draft picks for three consecutive years they can immediately redeem those players for a free Stanley Cup, can anyone confirm?
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mriswith
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There's plenty of fodder to criticize this group for. No one's doing it because what's the point.
A. This group is displaying basic competency which is an exhilarating breath of fresh air
B. No one interested in making the arguments and, no matter how accurate, dealing with the fallout of it when we're having a great season and are playoff bound
C. The roster is mostly locked in at contracts that are at least decent value, and there's only one possible strategic direction for the team at this point. There's way less to talk about now compared to back when almost the entire roster needed replacing and we were years away from fixing Benning's mess.
A. This group is displaying basic competency which is an exhilarating breath of fresh air
B. No one interested in making the arguments and, no matter how accurate, dealing with the fallout of it when we're having a great season and are playoff bound
C. The roster is mostly locked in at contracts that are at least decent value, and there's only one possible strategic direction for the team at this point. There's way less to talk about now compared to back when almost the entire roster needed replacing and we were years away from fixing Benning's mess.
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It's nice to finally have some optimism about the future of the team. It was horrible cheering for losses in hopes of a better draft pick, then cheering for losses in hopes of Dim Jim being fired, to finally just not cheering at all. The Canucks are fun again, because winning is fun!
They've had to move out draft capital to dump players like Dickinson, Poolman, Mik (their own signing), while also moving picks to add to the roster.
Will need to hit on the draft picks that they have kept/used. As there isn't much from the draft after the Hughes pick in 2018, aside from Hoglander up through to the 2021 draft.
Ok...
They can hit on drafting, NCAA free agents, regular unrestricted free agents, or trades I don't really care but if you can produce your own foot soldiers worth its weight in gold
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Meanwhile, Jim Benning is stuck somewhere in the Witness Protection Program.
Looking at the 2020, 2021 draft... it's still absolutely how much Benning absolutely wasted despite how bad the team was those two years.
Literally two entire draft classes where we're going to have nothing to show for it. 2021 is absolutely disgusting. We could've walked away from that draft with Guenther and Stankoven, but nope, we just get OEL's caphit for the rest of eternity and Danilla f***ing Klimovich.
To Allvin's credit, he's done a fantastic job of restocking the cupboards inspite of the mess Benning left behind. If you look back at 2022, the Canucks added a ton of good prospects that year under Allvin.
The 2022 ended up being really good for us despite having just 6 picks. Lekkerimaki, Petterson, and Kudryavtsev were all big wins and all of three of them will see NHL ice time. Aman and Bains were also added as free agent prospects.
2023 was also fantastic draft for us with Willander, Brzustewicz, Mynio, and Alriksson. The latter three being fantastic value for where they were picked. On top of that, we added Hirose, McWard, Sasson and Tolopila in free agency, with McWard and Sasson looking like they'll play NHL games sooner than later.
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Until the Allvin picks play they are still just prospects and hope. But they are at most 21. So just have to wait. But limited number of them so the ones he’s drafted need to hit.
2020 at least is miller for the first. Rental for TT
2020 was the pick we gave up for Miller and 2021 got us Garland. It’s easy to simply look back and choose the BPA but there’s no guarantee that the Canucks would have drafted that player.
In 2021, the Canucks likely would have drafted Sillinger. But let’s say the Canucks managed to draft fan favourite Kent Johnson - still no guarantee that we would have walked away with a player better than Garland.
I would say that the current regime seems to be better at drafting defensemen than the previous but again there are no guarantees and it’s too early. Look at the Penguins’ drafting under Rutherford (with Allvin playing a significant role in the draft). In the same time period as Benning, the Penguins’ best drafted player today might be Sprong.
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theguardianII
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5 million dollar 40 point guy? He does look better now but he has reached his prime. As he starts his decline the pick is starting to make an impact for the next 6 years.
Garland has seemed pretty good but not really worth all that was given up for him and OEL.
In Pitts they were often drafting very late. Most top teams don't draft very well except defencemen that take longer to develop. Sort of like the Canucks when they were winning President League trophies. very late picks in every round.
Garland has put up 52, 46, and 47 points, mostly ES. He's 28 years old.
It's the nature of trading picks for an established player whether it is for Garland, Miller, Hronek, or Lindholm. At the end of the day, it doesn't mean a whole lot if the team we cheer for doesn't win the Cup and don't end up recouping assets apart of maybe some excitement along the way.
There are also no guarantees. We drafted Pods #10 (which Brackett led) and less than 6 years later we traded him for a 4th round pick.
That excuse fails over the span of years though. Like take 2011 we took Jensen 29th overall. Ya we drafted late but there were a lot of good players available that were drafted later including Rakell who was drafted immediately after. Again, the Penguins' best drafted player today (under Rutherford/Allvin) is probably Sprong but they could have drafted Hintz.
The better drafting teams are able to find players. Like it's not a good excuse to come up with nothing with the 31st overall pick when there were good players to be had in the early 2nd round. It's not a good excuse to come up with nothing with your late 3rd round pick when there are good players to be had that went in the 4th round etc. In the same time period, the Devils drafted Bratt and Sharangovich.
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A guy I really liked before he was traded to NJ was Kovacevic. Great size, right shot D, and making peanuts. Traded from MTL for a 4th. I don't know where Allvin and Rutherford were when that trade was made but that makes me question their evaluation on talent when they could have picked him up instead of signing VD to a bloated contract. Also gotta factor in he's a pending UFA so he'll likely have a career year this season which is even more reason to have made the move.
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Allvin/Rutherford not for a year or longer, Tocchet/Allvin is the reality now.
Tocchet wants players he can dominate.
How can anyone expect the same results of last year when the team changes 8 players.
Out are the Russians, Zadorov, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev and Podkolzin, defenceman Cole, forwards 24pt Lafferty and late pick up Lindholm
In are Debrusk, Sprong, Deharnais, Heinen, Raty and Forbort
ONE injured forward, Joshua ONE injured goalie, Demko but then Demko was injured for months last year.
Joshua might not be the same with all the treatments needed to fight a serious cancer, he could be out a long time.
For me there is no panic in this season because I think this season will be a repeat of 2016 after a surprising divisional winning 2015.
I listened to a radio show that stated 11 points for the month would be a good result, 11 points would be a disaster but now as the games are played 11 points might be good after all.
Cap management? Well almost 8 million is sitting out combined with the OEL buyout counted. OEL would look pretty good on this group right now his 7.25 mil could have easily fit and ended this year. Think of it Hughes - Hronek, Myers - OEL, Soucy - Forbort/Deharnais, IMO a better defence and 12 mil in cap space next year with JUST OEL coming off the books. Combine with the draft picks traded and suddenly Marner is affordable. Oh well, might as well post a different "what if" history is for learning so the same mistakes aren't repeated. Or for betting
This is a Tocchet (Keenan) team. I do think EP's days are numbered under Tocchet.
So if it comes down to this Tocchet team.
Who goes Tocchet or EP? And Sprong and Deharnais and Karlsson and Willander and Lettermaki and all the other younger skill guys that aren't boards or strictly defence first guys?
IMO Tocchet's "vision" of a team player does not appear to have any flexibility, perfection is always desired but rarely achieved so that is when coaching comes in, form lines, strengths and weaknesses. Don't "force" players to conform to a "vision".
I noticed the Canucks don't have much of the dressing room stuff on Prime, none at all. And the behind the scenes stuff is missing if it was ever there. Didn't they used to have dressing room shots/clips before.
At a guess, as things stand now, they will get between 84 and 90 pts this year, they just don't have the goal scoring or defence depth even if Demko comes back for a few months. Maybe they are saving him until missing the playoffs is imminent before playing him due to an expected short shelf life.
Canucks managment came in ranked at #20.
Ouch.
Not a single person involved in hockey could have predicted it was possible for this organization to go from the gong show it was to a legit contender last season…
…and then to even being given odds (albeit slight) by Vegas as a potential Cup winner this season.
For that, this management group is ranked closer to where the Jim Benning era management group was ranked than it is to the top management groups are today.
Weird.
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The blurb reads like they still have some of the stink of Benning on them. What were they ranked last time this kind of poll was done?
I was just coming to post this... like, what? Allvin was just a finalist for GM of the year.
These are votes from "40 high-ranking league executives — general managers, assistant GMs, senior advisers and scouting directors, spanning just about every organization" so I wonder how much personal relationships plays into this. Rutherford has stepped on some toes over the years, whereas all these people probably still idolize Yzerman (whose team's front office is listed 10th, notwithstanding the fact that no one knows what they're doing anymore).
They asked people to vote for their top 5 front offices, so it could be that most voters thought Vancouver was average to above average, but not top 5.
I'm thinking that Vancouver's ranking would have been a decent amount higher if voters were asked to rank their top 10 or 15.
The award voting is weird but cements my thoughts that a lot of people within the NHL don't think too deeply. Allvin was a finalist/runner-up for the Jim Gregory award last season. Which is voted on by all the GMs, 5 executives, and 5 media members. Draft and free agency happened and only gets three votes from pretty much the same group.
Honestly, whatever. It's a bad list with bad reasoning.
Honestly, whatever. It's a bad list with bad reasoning.
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I can't read the article, but ranking the 32 teams in the league by taking a polling of their top 5... if that's how it was done this is highly counter intuitive. Most teams aren't going to get votes, and if I'm reading that chart correctly only 10 teams did (Detroit laughably getting a couple). Not sure how they're supposed to rank the next 22 teams in this case.
