Buresflyingelbow
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I hope management looks into Gudas this offseason. I think he would be great as a partner for Hughes and a stop gap option until we fill the role.
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Found this lovely gem in a post from about a year ago or so.
Dear JEB, you pathetic f***ing useless piece of human garbage, you're a waste of space in this league. You made ALL bad GM's breathe a sigh of relief because you not only lowered the bar, but you took the bar and chucked it into the middle of the Pacific ocean. You single-handedly destroyed this franchise on every mother f***ing conceivable level. Some GM's are bad at a few things but good at others, you're a GM who's murderously HORRIBLE at everything on a GM's to-do list and THEN SOME. You're an insult to this city, an insult to this team, an insult to hockey GM's, and an insult to pro sports. Your name will be etched into the history of the league as a latrine for all NHL GM's players and fans to shit spit and vomit on, until the end of your life and LONG after it.
F***, YOU.
Dear JEB, you pathetic f***ing useless piece of human garbage, you're a waste of space in this league. You made ALL bad GM's breathe a sigh of relief because you not only lowered the bar, but you took the bar and chucked it into the middle of the Pacific ocean. You single-handedly destroyed this franchise on every mother f***ing conceivable level. Some GM's are bad at a few things but good at others, you're a GM who's murderously HORRIBLE at everything on a GM's to-do list and THEN SOME. You're an insult to this city, an insult to this team, an insult to hockey GM's, and an insult to pro sports. Your name will be etched into the history of the league as a latrine for all NHL GM's players and fans to shit spit and vomit on, until the end of your life and LONG after it.
F***, YOU.
PuckMunchkin
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What would need to happen these next 3 years that would make you go "Holy f*** was I wrong about retooling a team that accomplished only this!?"
Mr. Canucklehead
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I think Gudas is the exact type of player some team is going to overpay massively for this off season because he’s having a good playoff run.
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Buresflyingelbow
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Regardless of that we need some toughness in the lineup, especially if we are moving on from Schenn. It’s very important that we create a safe working environment for our slighter stars on the team.
Yup, he’s a solid 3rd pairing defender but he’s 33 and has been playing 15 minutes/game in these playoffs (before OT minutes).
And he’s going to get, like, $4 million/year for a team to watch him decline on their bottom pairing.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Honestly, my preference would be to bring back Burroughs (plenty tough at a really small cost), or Schenn (who’s due for a raise, but likely not the sticker shock that Gudas will command)
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Treliving got an extra three years of shelf life by virtue of being in the same division as JEB.Found this lovely gem in a post from about a year ago or so.
Dear JEB, you pathetic f***ing useless piece of human garbage, you're a waste of space in this league. You made ALL bad GM's breathe a sigh of relief because you not only lowered the bar, but you took the bar and chucked it into the middle of the Pacific ocean. You single-handedly destroyed this franchise on every mother f***ing conceivable level. Some GM's are bad at a few things but good at others, you're a GM who's murderously HORRIBLE at everything on a GM's to-do list and THEN SOME. You're an insult to this city, an insult to this team, an insult to hockey GM's, and an insult to pro sports. Your name will be etched into the history of the league as a latrine for all NHL GM's players and fans to shit spit and vomit on, until the end of your life and LONG after it.
F***, YOU.
6 of the 9 best players on that 21-22 Flames team ended up in Calgary as a direct result of Jim Benning’s bungling.
- Tanev/Markstrom/Toffoli : ran out of time
- took Juolevi over Tkachuk
- traded the Andersson pick for Baertschi
- our scouts wanted to pick Mangiapane in 2015 but Benning went to watch him play and didn’t like him and overruled them.
He's also one of the two primary beneficiaries of JEB's bumbling lunacies, the other being Florida.
And I'd like to think that virtually all GM's in the league, got more slack than they'd have otherwise deserved, because whenever their work is questioned, they could've always said: Look at JEB, if he can sit in the f***ing chair for more than 7 years, why are you here busting my balls for?
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I have your gold medal Zippy!
If JEB was still our GM this is a deal he'd POUNCE on.
That is a cargo ship size of f***ery
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I think this would be a massive mistake. He's 33 and will be an overpaid UFA. Not a good target even though he's the type of player we need.
Edit - sorry this exact point has already been made
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MarkusNaslund19
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This is going to look like a defence of Benning and I don't mean it to be but,
1. That was an austerity call by Luigi Aquillini due to Covid.
2. God that was a pathetic call. I was watching the draft with an Oilers fan friend and he howled when the 'from the London Knights' was finished with "Olli Juolevi". Ugh.
3. You can't really use who a second round pick was to assess a trade. Would it have been a good trade if Calgary had picked a nobody?
For the record, I've always been bullish on the Baertschi bet. I think if things had gone differently with injuries and he was put in a better position to succeed he would have been a decent player.
The problem was that he and Horvat were tasked, at times, with being our best offensive players on a bad team when he would have been far better suited to being in the Teravainen role on Carolina or something similar.
With that said, it was only. a good bet (IMO) in isolation, but the fact that we were making bets on Linden f***ing Vey at the same time means it was all just bad business and we needed to be reloading picks.
Andersson was a hell of a great get for Calgary.
4. I have never heard anything about this. Not calling you a liar (obviously) but do you have a source? I'd be curious to look more deeply into this.
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So how do you explain giving Holtby a $4M AAV contract and taking on the Nate Schmidt cap dump? We spent to the cap that year.
1. It's such a copout to say that we lost those players because ownership wouldn't let them buy out Brandon Sutter instead of because of the $30 million in replacement-level contracts they handed out over the previous 4 or 5 years. Before COVID ever happened I was calling the 19-20 season Fake Stanley Cup Playoffs 2020 because it was obvious they were building for a 16th place finish before their terrible cap management would cause them to regress. And that's literally exactly what happened.
Also I don't for a second believe they would have bought out Brandon Sutter, who was the team's 3C and who Benning later gave an extension to.
Also Luigi Aquilini didn't force them to commit $7 million to Brayden Holtby and Jake Virtanen in the 2020 offseason.
2. Yes.
3. If they had traded a 4th for Baertschi and Calgary hit on the pick I wouldn't list this, but giving a 2nd for a busting prospect on the verge of waiver eligibility was idiotic and risked this exact result. Treleving seemed amused when discussing the trade immediately after as he called it 'by far' the best offer they received.
4. Mangiapane thing is as per Patrick Johnston :
The Skate: A holding pattern
More news and notes on the Vancouver Canucks after the 3-1 loss to the Calgary Flames on Thursday.
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MarkusNaslund19
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There were further moves that would have gone somewhat above and beyond. IIRC it was buying out Sutter and maybe the same with Virtanen.
This isn't speculation on my part, this is straight from someone who had involvement with the family in a hockey capacity at the time.
We can agree or disagree on whatever, but number 1 isn't speculation on my part.1. It's such a copout to say that we lost those players because ownership wouldn't let them buy out Brandon Sutter instead of because of the $30 million in replacement-level contracts they handed out over the previous 4 or 5 years. Before COVID ever happened I was calling the 19-20 season Fake Stanley Cup Playoffs 2020 because it was obvious they were building for a 16th place finish before their terrible cap management would cause them to regress. And that's literally exactly what happened.
Also I don't for a second believe they would have bought out Brandon Sutter, who was the team's 3C and who Benning later gave an extension to.
Also Luigi Aquilini didn't force them to commit $7 million to Brayden Holtby and Jake Virtanen in the 2020 offseason.
2. Yes.
3. If they had traded a 4th for Baertschi and Calgary hit on the pick I wouldn't list this, but giving a 2nd for a busting prospect on the verge of waiver eligibility was idiotic and risked this exact result. Treleving seemed amused when discussing the trade immediately after as he called it 'by far' the best offer they received.
4. Mangiapane thing is as per Patrick Johnston :
The Skate: A holding pattern
More news and notes on the Vancouver Canucks after the 3-1 loss to the Calgary Flames on Thursday.
With that said, you're not wrong that it was just the final brick on a cascading pile of shit, so maybe it's more appropriate to say that the Aquillini forced austerity removed Benning's last get out of jail free card. But FWIW Benning was intending to bring back Tanev and Toffoli and I believe was blindsided when he couldn't.
1. When you've bungled your cap management so badly that you're in cap hell with your stars on ELCs and you're relying on the generosity of ownership to buy out huge contracts to get you out of your problems, it isn't ownership's fault when they say no. You screwed up.
2. The math doesn't work - buying out Sutter might clear enough space for one of Toffoli/Tanev, but not both.
We got to this situation because of bad cap situation; we got to solve the immediate cap issue, and hire guys who was as good a negotiator as Gilman. They have to build a loyalty culture but also get guys who really want to be here, not just guys who go through their motions and grab a paycheck; over the years we truly miss the Sedins who work themselves and agree to get paid below market value, we truly miss that with the new guys
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