Malkin

[deandebean]

He's a way better playmaker than Sundin could ever dream of being.

Time will tell where he will stand in relation to Crosby, Ovechkin and others, but the thing about Malkin that I don't think you realize is that he is not nearly as "flashy" a player as Crosby or Ovechkin; ie his talent level is not as obvious when you see him play -- it's more subtle.

But that doesn't mean anything: look at Adam Oates and Ron Francis, 2 guys whose talent was not at all obvious to see at first glance, yet they had sensational careers. Malkin has what they have, in addition to the obvious talent level and physical dominance of a big guy like Sundin or Lecavalier.

Ron Francis is a pretty good comparison, from what I saw last year.

 

[deandebean]

For what it's worth, Anders Hedberg just said on TSN that Malkin was the best player at the tournament, "by far."

For those who don't remember him, he was a superstar in the old WHA and then played with NYR. He is now the Director of Player Personnel of the Sens.

I hope he is. He shouldn't be playing there. He should be in Pittsburgh. Disgrace.

 

[Siberian]

The RSL is that strong of a league? It couldn't be: they have Dave King as a coach.

Hahaha, what a sore loser. Dave King is a much better coach than 70% of NHL coaches, so I guess that means RSl is the best league in the world.

 

[deandebean]

Hahaha, what a sore loser. Dave King is a much better coach than 70% of NHL coaches, so I guess that means RSl is the best league in the world.

Dave King was so good that no NHL team picked him up. Just like Pierre Pagé. And the other "technicians".

Dave King is the man that left Mario Lemieux out of the canadian junior team. That alone should have gotten him shot.

If the RSL is the best team in the world, I sure need the address and phone number of your pusher. So it's true that Extacy is stronger in Europe...

 

[Siberian]

Dave King was so good that no NHL team picked him up. Just like Pierre Pagé. And the other "technicians".

Dave King is the man that left Mario Lemieux out of the canadian junior team. That alone should have gotten him shot.

If the RSL is the best team in the world, I sure need the address and phone number of your pusher. So it's true that Extacy is stronger in Europe...

Oh my, he left out Mario! How is that possible? This must be one of the lowest points in Canadian history! That just shows how bad of a coach Dave King is and that means quite a lot for a little exception that in Russia nobody gives a damn about Mario.

If you really think that RSL is not a good league then you are clueless about hockey.

 

[MOGiLNY]

It's not a long stretch to say that the RSL is the best league in the world after the NHL.

 

[deandebean]

It's not a long stretch to say that the RSL is the best league in the world after the NHL.

For the sake of the argument, it could be true, we'll never know. Even though the AHL is a solid developmental league. But to say that the RSL is at par with the NHL brings me shivers from the old WHA fans...brrrrr...

As for Siberian, get off your horses. The guy who's in love with Dave King should know the man a bit better. I do. Dave King is an excellent technician when it comes to teaching the trap/defensive play. He's absolutely putrid when it comes to coaching a real pro team. He'd be perfect as an assistant in the NHL, like he was here in Montreal. But he was a disaster as a head coach, because he couldn't handle the day-by-day routine with a team full of egos. Plus, the 80 + schedule and travelling got to him.

By the way, is the guy dying? I saw some photos of him lately. Looks like he's got AIDS. He looks dead.

As for letting Mario out of the junior team, you've got to admit that it was pretty lame, specially when the team he coached lacked scoring. And you should be caring about Mario. He kicked your arses a couple of times.

 

[MOGiLNY]

No, the RSL is nowhere near the NHL obviously, but it's still the top league in Europe and I've heard experts compare it to the AHL.

Malkin's been dominating that league, probably moreso than Ovechkin ever has, so I think that could be used as a bit of a measuring stick for you.

 

[Metallian*]

The RSL is that strong of a league? It couldn't be: they have Dave King as a coach.

Look, we both know that the RSL is by far better than the AHL. It's easily the second most competitive league to the NHL, and it's not an easy league to play in.

Enough with your sarcastic comments, if you dont have anything legit to bring to the table just stop with this nonsense and patriotism.

 

[Siberian]

For the sake of the argument, it could be true, we'll never know. Even though the AHL is a solid developmental league. But to say that the RSL is at par with the NHL brings me shivers from the old WHA fans...brrrrr...

As for Siberian, get off your horses. The guy who's in love with Dave King should know the man a bit better. I do. Dave King is an excellent technician when it comes to teaching the trap/defensive play. He's absolutely putrid when it comes to coaching a real pro team. He'd be perfect as an assistant in the NHL, like he was here in Montreal. But he was a disaster as a head coach, because he couldn't handle the day-by-day routine with a team full of egos. Plus, the 80 + schedule and travelling got to him.

By the way, is the guy dying? I saw some photos of him lately. Looks like he's got AIDS. He looks dead.

As for letting Mario out of the junior team, you've got to admit that it was pretty lame, specially when the team he coached lacked scoring. And you should be caring about Mario. He kicked your arses a couple of times.

I guess it shows how clueless you really are about hockey. Metallurg has not played a single trapping game this season, this team has a perfect mix of offense and defence, and as a proof just a couple of days agho this team beat the crap out of Canadian team in Spengler's Cup final. As for him dying, I don't know, maybe you can see something in his pictures but last time I saw him on TV he was jogging an hour long. I wouldn't be saying things like that, you know Karma can turn around on you.

 

[Metallian*]

Dave King is the man that left Mario Lemieux out of the canadian junior team. That alone should have gotten him shot.
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Wayne Gretzky left Crosby off of the Olympic team....wanna get your rifle loaded?

 

[Lindros_for_rizzle_]

I think I know a lot about this matter since I watched many National Team games with Russia last year. The commentators were all about Ovechkin before the games, but almost every game I saw Malkin outshone anyone on the rink.

 

[Siberian]

Players who played in AHL and in Russia all said that AHL is very physical but has very little skill. AHL and RSL are not very close in skill department.

 

[Metallian*]

Players who played in AHL and in Russia all said that AHL is very physical but has very little skill. AHL and RSL are not very close in skill department.

The AHL is a hit-fest of players literrally beating eachother up to try to make it to the NHL.

The RSL is a professional league, not a feeder league, and will naturally be more skill inclined.

 

[Til the End of Time]

He's a way better playmaker than Sundin could ever dream of being.

I think these statements are getting out of hand. Malkin is a great prospect, no doubt. But to make such a statement diminishing the skill of a future hall of famer and one of the most consistent playmakers in the league in order to build up a guy that could be the next Viktor Kozlov is a bit... insulting.

 

[Slitty]

He's currently a superstar where? In Latvia?

Theres is more to the world than your own backyard, quit the immature sarcastic comments already.

 

[Slitty]

The only reason Malkin is outscoring Ovechkin from last year is because the RSL isn't full of NHL superstars. Untill he plays against the best men in the world on a constant basis and dominates them, he is a budding superstar.He can't even dominate his own age group at the WJC. Tosay he's the next mario is laughable.(sombody said that around here along with jack johnson being the next bobby orr ). his goal scoring is nowhere near ovechkins.and his vision doesn't even come close to crosbys.if you were to put crosby in the wjc's next year he will be 19, same age as malkin and i would be shocked if he didn't dominate the tourney in scoring.

Malkin is not dominating his own age group at the WJC... what rock have you been living under?

Really mate.... look at last year's scoring leaders in the RSL:

Points Goals
1 Maxim Sushinski, Omsk............ 55
2 Alexei Kaygorodov, Magnitogorsk.. 48
3 Dmitry Zatonsky, Omsk............ 47
4 Alexei Morozov, Kazan............ 46
5 Pavel Rosa, Dynamo Moscow........ 44
6 Alexander Prokopiev, Omsk........ 43
7 Ilya Kovalchuk, Kazan............ 41
8 Nikolai Zherdev, CSKA............ 40
8 Alexander Frolov, 2 teams........ 40
10 Vladimir Antipov, Yaroslavl...... 39
10 Jaromir Jagr, Omsk............... 39

Ovechkin at 19 did not crack the top 10 because of the NHL superstars that flood because of all the NHL superstars? Kovalchuk, Zherdev, Frolov, and Jagr.... I can only count 4 NHLers in the top 10. By your reasoning Ovechkin should have been 5th in RSL scoring even though the top NHLer was Kovalchuk at 7th?

Seriously mate, Malkin IS better than Ovechkin. Face it.

 

[deandebean]

Wayne Gretzky left Crosby off of the Olympic team....wanna get your rifle loaded?

I guess you're too young to remember the context of King's decision.

 

[deandebean]

Players who played in AHL and in Russia all said that AHL is very physical but has very little skill. AHL and RSL are not very close in skill department.

Different leagues, different styles, different setups, different rinks, different continents. At least, the NHL comparisons have stopped.

 

[MOGiLNY]

I think these statements are getting out of hand. Malkin is a great prospect, no doubt. But to make such a statement diminishing the skill of a future hall of famer and one of the most consistent playmakers in the league in order to build up a guy that could be the next Viktor Kozlov is a bit... insulting.

While I agree with your post, don't insult Kozlov please. I really like that guy.

 

[Siberian]

I think these statements are getting out of hand. Malkin is a great prospect, no doubt. But to make such a statement diminishing the skill of a future hall of famer and one of the most consistent playmakers in the league in order to build up a guy that could be the next Viktor Kozlov is a bit... insulting.

I will be really disappointed if Malkin only reaches the level of sundins in his career, I have been hoping that Malkin will be player similar to Fedorov but better in every department.

 

[deandebean]

Malkin is not dominating his own age group at the WJC... what rock have you been living under?

Really mate.... look at last year's scoring leaders in the RSL:

Points Goals
1 Maxim Sushinski, Omsk............ 55
2 Alexei Kaygorodov, Magnitogorsk.. 48
3 Dmitry Zatonsky, Omsk............ 47
4 Alexei Morozov, Kazan............ 46
5 Pavel Rosa, Dynamo Moscow........ 44
6 Alexander Prokopiev, Omsk........ 43
7 Ilya Kovalchuk, Kazan............ 41
8 Nikolai Zherdev, CSKA............ 40
8 Alexander Frolov, 2 teams........ 40
10 Vladimir Antipov, Yaroslavl...... 39
10 Jaromir Jagr, Omsk............... 39

Ovechkin at 19 did not crack the top 10 because of the NHL superstars that flood because of all the NHL superstars? Kovalchuk, Zherdev, Frolov, and Jagr.... I can only count 4 NHLers in the top 10. By your reasoning Ovechkin should have been 5th in RSL scoring even though the top NHLer was Kovalchuk at 7th?

Seriously mate, Malkin IS better than Ovechkin. Face it.

If Pavel Rosa was in your top 10, the style of the league must be REALLLLLY different for that of the AHL or the NHL. I remember fondly about Rosa with my Piques, in Hull. This guy, though, was afraid of his own shadow.

 

[deandebean]

I will be really disappointed if Malkin only reaches the level of sundins in his career, I have been hoping that Malkin will be player similar to Fedorov but better in every department.

Wow. You really overrate your russian stars. Fedorov?

 

[deandebean]

I guess it shows how clueless you really are about hockey. Metallurg has not played a single trapping game this season, this team has a perfect mix of offense and defence, and as a proof just a couple of days agho this team beat the crap out of Canadian team in Spengler's Cup final. As for him dying, I don't know, maybe you can see something in his pictures but last time I saw him on TV he was jogging an hour long. I wouldn't be saying things like that, you know Karma can turn around on you.

Ask any canadian. Dave King was a defensive specialist, nothing else. Listen, how old are you? I've seen Dave King coach since the early 80's. He's a defensive-minded coach. In the RSL, maybe the style of the league is different. But here, man, and in the Olympics, when he drove the canadian amateur program, the team concentrated of defence, nothing else.

 

[Macman]

But here, man, and in the Olympics, when he drove the canadian amateur program, the team concentrated of defence, nothing else.

What choice did he have? He was coaching offensively challenged amateur teams against the Soviets.