Malkin on Russia, Crosby not on Team Canada??

[Golden Slumbers]

The last thing Team Canada needs is the Cros at this point. Too young, too inexperienced, and who do you leave off to accomodate him?

He'll have his shot in 2010, no worries.

 

[Vladiator]

No, I was trying to say that Malkin would not have been on Canada either and it's ridiculous when people say Malkin is better than Crosby

You don't believe that there can be someone better than Crosby?

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Malkin would not have made team canda if he was from Canadia. Crosby would have made team Russia if he was Russian. You can't compare Canada's depth to Russia.

Also, the reason crosby was left off the team was he's too young, and they have enough talent at center. Besides Thornton, it is very debatable weather any Canadien center is better than Sid. However, I don't think it is wrong to leave an 18 year old sid off the team.

 

[alecfromtherock]

DEPTH !!!!

That is all.

Canada can make 3 teams if they wanted.

Most will agree that Canada has the greatest depth of any country.

Politics is also a huge factor in the selection of Team Canada:

For instance:

Phaneuf is a stud on the blueline and is 7th in Canadian D scoring.

But Quinn decides to put McCabe on Team Canada instead.

McCabe – Dion

Has 21 more PIM in 9 fewer games.

Offensive-D-man, PP specialist(yet Quinn does not use him on the PP)

Big Ice combined with McCabe’s defensive tendencies = liability ES or on the PK.

Is not that intimating and takes stupid penalties.

Quinn put McCabe on the team and the Great One put Shane Done on the team, while not surprising it is disappointing to see management using their hearts and not their heads.


Spezza has been less then specular in Ottawa’s L10 Vs teams named not-Toronto/Pens

10GP 1G 5A 6P 4PIM 18S Average FO 49.53%.

He is not physical at all, floats and is invisible at times.


Stall on the other hand is 2nd in Canadian scoring, is physical and is one of the better all-round centres.


Crosby is 5th (12th overall) in scoring, plays an up-tempo intense(too?) style of game and is putting up great numbers considering the help he receives.

That being said he is only 18 and has been deemed the saviour of hockey by all Canadian media, has become frustrated under pressure(if he thought the NHL refs were bad what about the Swiss game ref JK) and will have many chances to represent Canada at the Olympics(baring the owners/IOC/IIHF deciding NHLers can not play at the Olympics).

Add to the fact that Quinn would not properly utilize Crosby/ give him much ice time it just as well if he didn’t go this year.



If Malkin were Canadian there would be 0% chance he made the Olympic team.

His current skill/size(weight not height)/age are not ‘Canadian’ Olympic caliber yet he is only a few years of strengthening to becoming a force.

2010 could be an interesting year for Russia when you consider Kovy/AO/Malkin will be far more experienced and lethal.

Canadian Should be’s:

Dion > Stall > Crosby > Spezza >>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe + Shane Doan (insert crappy/homer Olympians name here)

 

[futurcorerock]

 

[Milvesof Brown]

I find it interesting that wealthmanager says that "Malkin has not shown up against the worlds best" or something along those lines. I really have no idea what he is getting at seeing as he was the best forward in the WJCs this year and Crosby was simply average in the 2005 WJCs. Yes he was younger but where do you get this impression that Malkin sucks internationally and Crosby is anything more than normal on the world stage?

 

[Metallian*]

Malkin > Crosby

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[Butchered]

Anyone can get hot in a tournament.
Remind me again how many points he has this year? He is 56th in league scoring. I am sick and tired of how overated Lecavalier is.

If anything positive is to come from all this crying and complaining, I'm glad it's finally clear and cut.

The ONLY ultimate and pure 100% way to prove a players worth is to check their ranking in the points race.

Obviously, Lecavalier is only the 56th best player in the league.

You guys are all stupid if you think he's any better than that.

 

[Evilo]

However, there's some point where people have to realize that Lecavalier does have greta potential, but won't probably reach it.
Lecavalier lives off a reputation of an all star simply because he showes glimpses of it for a stretch once in a while.
Crosby>Lecavalier fairly easily right now and in the future.
IMO Thornton is clearly better, and Spezza and Richards are debatable. Savard as well. But Lecavalier shouldn't be mentionned in the top 5 canadian centers.
Crosby is among them, and he should have been selected. He's top 11 in scoring, and he doesn't have the Kovalchuks or Cheechoos of the world to rack up some assists. He plays with Michel Ouellet for god's sake.

 

[The New Originals]

Threadstarter, why are you comparing Crosby to the top Centres in Canada? Crosby isn't a natural center, he was made one this year. He's actually a winger.

 

[Ovechkin_mvp]

If Malkin were Canadian there would be 0% chance he made the Olympic team.

His current skill/size(weight not height)/age are not ‘Canadian’ Olympic caliber yet he is only a few years of strengthening to becoming a force.

R U for real?????????????
Have you actually seen Malkin play???

P.S: It's pretty obvious that Malkin > Crsoby by a far.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Staal and Crosby are not there simply due to lack of experience.

We could lose to even the lowly Swiss if we allowed them near our team!

Their time will come. They will lead us to a top 5 finish in 2030 when they displace other young upstarts from our team.

 

[The New Originals]

R U for real?????????????
Have you actually seen Malkin play???

P.S: It's pretty obvious that Malkin > Crsoby by a far.

Do you have any videos of him? I've watched bits and pieces of the olympics but havent had a real chance to sit down and watch him play a whole game.

 

[skullman80]

Threadstarter, why are you comparing Crosby to the top Centres in Canada? Crosby isn't a natural center, he was made one this year. He's actually a winger.

Crosby isn't a natural center? Since when?

 

[Ovechkin_mvp]

Do you have any videos of him? I've watched bits and pieces of the olympics but havent had a real chance to sit down and watch him play a whole game.

Well, I'll look 'em up.

you might as well watch some team Russia games this tournament.

Malkin does everything, and does it well.
PP, PK, you name it

 

[skullman80]

Well, I'll look 'em up.

you might as well watch some team Russia games this tournament.

Malkin does everything, and does it well.
PP, PK, you name it

Can't wait to see Malkin in a Pens uniform. Kid is the total package. Reminds me of Ronnie Francis.

 

[Jovial]

Well, I'll look 'em up.

you might as well watch some team Russia games this tournament.

Malkin does everything, and does it well.
PP, PK, you name it

I would also really like to have some video of Malkin!

I would be able to watch him in the tournament if it wasn't the fact that I don't have cable on my tv and that CBC/R-C don't show Russian games, or they don't show them completely...

 

[Corto]

It's different. Canada is deeper and didn't have guys like Fedorov cancelling the tournament.

At this point, the only difference between Ovechkin, Malkin and Crosby is that Crosby is slightly smaller than the other two (still plays pretty physical though), probably the best passer of the three; Ovechkin's clearly the best goalscorer of the three, and possibly the best one-on-one guy in the world today; and Malkin has the most complete game, from passing to scoring to playing physical two-way hockey.

Not much between them, and if Crosby was Russian, he'd be on their team, no doubt about it.
Malkin wouldn't make the Canadian team, Ovechkin probably would.

 

[stockwizard*]

Threadstarter, why are you comparing Crosby to the top Centres in Canada? Crosby isn't a natural center, he was made one this year. He's actually a winger.

Are you joking? Crosby has been playing center since he was 7 years old.
With his vision it is insanity not to have him at center.

 

[stockwizard*]

However, there's some point where people have to realize that Lecavalier does have greta potential, but won't probably reach it.
Lecavalier lives off a reputation of an all star simply because he showes glimpses of it for a stretch once in a while.
Crosby>Lecavalier fairly easily right now and in the future.
IMO Thornton is clearly better, and Spezza and Richards are debatable. Savard as well. But Lecavalier shouldn't be mentionned in the top 5 canadian centers.
Crosby is among them, and he should have been selected. He's top 11 in scoring, and he doesn't have the Kovalchuks or Cheechoos of the world to rack up some assists. He plays with Michel Ouellet for god's sake.

Good Post.

I would say the only Canadian Center that is clearly better than Crosby right now is Thornton, and Crosby has a lot more explosiveness and game breaking ability than him as well.

 

[artilector]

It's different. Canada is deeper and didn't have guys like Fedorov cancelling the tournament.

At this point, the only difference between Ovechkin, Malkin and Crosby is that Crosby is slightly smaller than the other two (still plays pretty physical though), probably the best passer of the three; Ovechkin's clearly the best goalscorer of the three, and possibly the best one-on-one guy in the world today; and Malkin has the most complete game, from passing to scoring to playing physical two-way hockey.

Not much between them, and if Crosby was Russian, he'd be on their team, no doubt about it.
Malkin wouldn't make the Canadian team, Ovechkin probably would.

Good summary, agreed. At this point I am leaning towards Malkin as being the best of all three overall, and I was very skeptical before this tournament. He can do most of the things Crosby can do (great vision, passing) and Ovy (score,hit). He plays far better defense than any of those two, though, and he's got size on Crosby. They may outgun him as far as points long-term, but he's the guy you want on the ice in the big game, zero doubt at this point.

Those who say he has not shown up on the international stage, stop smoking crack. He's been one of the best players on Team Russia thus far, on both ends of the ice, playing with two non-NHLers.

Those who say Malkin~Francis, also stop smoking crack. Yeah he's quiet and a two-way player, but his offensive skills are way out of Francis's league.

I think its safe to say for now, Crosby~Malkin~Ovechkin. Depending on the specific needs of team, one may be better than another, but they bring sufficiently different things to the table that its impossible to compare them head-on. Ovy is my favorite player for his fire, Malkin's completeness is obvious, and so is Crosby's hockey IQ. If I were to start a franchise from scratch, I'd take Malkin in a heartbeat, though. He seems to be able to do it all..

 

[skullman80]

Good summary, agreed. At this point I am leaning towards Malkin as being the best of all three overall, and I was very skeptical before this tournament. He can do most of the things Crosby can do (great vision, passing) and Ovy (score,hit). He plays far better defense than any of those two, though, and he's got size on Crosby. They may outgun him as far as points long-term, but he's the guy you want on the ice in the big game, zero doubt at this point.

Those who say he has not shown up on the international stage, stop smoking crack. He's been one of the best players on Team Russia thus far, on both ends of the ice, playing with two non-NHLers.

Those who say Malkin~Francis, also stop smoking crack. Yeah he's quiet and a two-way player, but his offensive skills are way out of Francis's league.

I think its safe to say for now, Crosby~Malkin~Ovechkin. Depending on the specific needs of team, one may be better than another, but they bring sufficiently different things to the table that its impossible to compare them head-on. Ovy is my favorite player for his fire, Malkin's completeness is obvious, and so is Crosby's hockey IQ. If I were to start a franchise from scratch, I'd take Malkin in a heartbeat, though. He seems to be able to do it all..

I still stand by my Francis comparison. It's not a knock on Malkin. Francis was one of the best ever to put on a Pens uniform for the time he was here.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

So what have we learned from the 100000th meaningless crosby vs (insert young phemom) thread? We learned that crosby apperently would've made team russia if he was russian, but malkin wouldn't have made team Canadia if he was from up there. Also, we learned that that some ppl think Crosby is top 5 canadien centers, while others don't think he's top 10. We also learned that some stupid people who don't know what they're talking about think that crosby isn't a center.
However, the point to this thread is still unknown.

 

[Dogbert*]

The case for Crosby can be encompassed in one word: emotion. Crosby's pissing and moaning does show immaturity, but it also shows that he cares, and that's something you can't say about a good 3/4 of Team Canada.

 

[Steve Latin*]

Good summary, agreed. At this point I am leaning towards Malkin as being the best of all three overall, and I was very skeptical before this tournament. He can do most of the things Crosby can do (great vision, passing) and Ovy (score,hit). He plays far better defense than any of those two, though, and he's got size on Crosby. They may outgun him as far as points long-term, but he's the guy you want on the ice in the big game, zero doubt at this point.

Those who say he has not shown up on the international stage, stop smoking crack. He's been one of the best players on Team Russia thus far, on both ends of the ice, playing with two non-NHLers.

Those who say Malkin~Francis, also stop smoking crack. Yeah he's quiet and a two-way player, but his offensive skills are way out of Francis's league.

I think its safe to say for now, Crosby~Malkin~Ovechkin. Depending on the specific needs of team, one may be better than another, but they bring sufficiently different things to the table that its impossible to compare them head-on. Ovy is my favorite player for his fire, Malkin's completeness is obvious, and so is Crosby's hockey IQ. If I were to start a franchise from scratch, I'd take Malkin in a heartbeat, though. He seems to be able to do it all..

Great post. You can put Malkin on the ice in any situation and he will be an asset, not a liability. As much as I love Crosby and Ovechkin, I can't say the same about them. If the team has a lead and it's the last two minutes of the game, I want Malkin out there, not the other guys.