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Malkin on Russia, Crosby not on Team Canada??

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The Top 3 on the team right now, Spezza and Savard.

That is 5, if I wasn't at work now I could do a bit of research and come up with the rest.

If you think that right now Crosby is better than Marc Savard you are out of your mind.
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Nice try. Spezza is not better than Crosby.
 
btn said:
I find it hard to believe that someone who actually thinks that Crosby is the 2nd best Canadian center is accusing someone else about not thinking before they type something.

I gave you 5, how about you tell us all why Crosby is better than the Top 3 C's on Team Canada, Jason Spezza, and Marc Savard.
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Answering a question with a question.

Who does Marc Savard play with?.......

Crosby is top ten in the league in scoring while playing on the worst team in the league. He creates chances every time he is on the ice.
Where is Richards and Lecavalier to be found with there superior supporting cast?
If Gretzky did things right Crosby would only take a back seat to Sakic, and Thornton and be on the third, or at worst 4th line.
 
Hedberg said:
Canada is just a deeper team. And I think it's hilarious how everyone turns on Crosby talent wise when he is not dominating on a horrible team with underachievers who don't work at 18.
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So if you don't think Crosby is one of the Top 5 or 10 Canadian born Centers right now you are ignoring his talent?

Crosby will move up the list eventually, but right now there are many more veteran players who can play the position better than him. And many of them have less points than him, since they get less ice time on better teams.
 
gbl1p said:
Nice try. Spezza is not better than Crosby.
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Right now, in overall play? Yes, he is better than Crosby. Wayne Gretzky is not the only person who thinks so.
 
stockwizard, didn't you also claim that Crosby would win the Art Ross at 18? I love Crosby too, but I'm not willing to go out on a limb and say he's already much better than Lecavalier and Richards.
 
btn said:
So if you don't think Crosby is one of the Top 5 or 10 Canadian born Centers right now you are ignoring his talent?

Crosby will move up the list eventually, but right now there are many more veteran players who can play the position better than him. And many of them have less points than him, since they get less ice time on better teams.
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They don't get less ice time.
Who are these "many more veterans" you talk about. Are you going to name 10 like you said?
 
That's a good question. Why isnt Crosby on there? He's young, fast skilled and every shift creates a scoring chance. I guarantee he would have done better than eithe Richards, Lecavalier or St. Louis have done. And dont even get me started on Doan and Draper.

My guess is Gretzky didnt want to take a "gamble" on him. Maybe Janet put $50,000 (a down payment on a house for me but she'll find that in her couch cushions) with Tocchet that Crosby wouldnt make it. Maybe Gretzky's bookie helped him pick the team. Who knows?

Either way Crosby would have helped today. That was a disgraceful game and we could use a guy who makes plays off the rush for once.
 
Steve Latin said:
stockwizard, didn't you also claim that Crosby would win the Art Ross at 18? I love Crosby too, but I'm not willing to go out on a limb and say he's already much better than Lecavalier and Richards.
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Sorry but I remember this stockwizard you speak of and he said that Crosby if he gets the right supporting cast would finish top 10. Looks like he was right.
 
Big Phil said:
That's a good question. Why isnt Crosby on there? He's young, fast skilled and every shift creates a scoring chance. I guarantee he would have done better than eithe Richards, Lecavalier or St. Louis have done. And dont even get me started on Doan and Draper.

My guess is Gretzky didnt want to take a "gamble" on him. Maybe Janet put $50,000 (a down payment on a house for me but she'll find that in her couch cushions) with Tocchet that Crosby wouldnt make it. Maybe Gretzky's bookie helped him pick the team. Who knows?

Either way Crosby would have helped today. That was a disgraceful game and we could use a guy who makes plays off the rush for once.
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:yo: :biglaugh:
 
btn said:
Right now, in overall play? Yes, he is better than Crosby. Wayne Gretzky is not the only person who thinks so.
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I would stay that Crosby right now is a better player than Spezza, not by much, but he is.

Savard I'll give you, guy has been playing lights out.

Spezza looks awesome in small part due to being in Ottawa and playing on a dominant team. That is not the ONLY reason, but it sure does help.

Lecavlier has never really impressed me, Richards has been solid for quite a while now.

As I said I have no real beef with Crosby not being there, he will have plenty of time to play in the olympics. I still think some people here no matter what he did or does in the future won't like the kid.
 
btn said:
Right now, in overall play? Yes, he is better than Crosby. Wayne Gretzky is not the only person who thinks so.
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Ha! In overall play he's not near Crosby. I was about to concede that offensive play could possibly be a wash, but as overall players it's not close. I've seen Spezza play every game this year and he shows not even a fraction of the tenacity that Crosby plays with shift-in, shift-out. Crosby is a better skater than Spezza will ever hope to be. Lastly, Spezza is painfully soft. Crosby is not.
 
Crosby isn't on the team because Burke wanted players with "more on ice maturity". It's the same stupid old school Canadien crap of "cutting the boy down to size" that causes the refs to ignore so many blatant penalties committed against him. Hockey Canada wants Crosby to act like Joe Sakic on the ice. That's a shame, because Joe Sakic is quite possibly the most boring sports personality ever. That guy needz to get himself a Chad-Johnson-esque grille.
 
gbl1p said:
Ha! In overall play he's not near Crosby. I was about to concede that offensive play could possibly be a wash, but as overall players it's not close. I've seen Spezza play every game this year and he shows not even a fraction of the tenacity that Crosby plays with shift-in, shift-out. Crosby is a better skater than Spezza will ever hope to be. Lastly, Spezza is painfully soft. Crosby is not.
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Wow. That's high praise coming from a Sens fan. Kudos for not being a homer.
 
Can't wait to see Crosby at the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver.
I think by then we will be laughing at the suggestion that Malkin is as good as Sid the Kid.
 
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Steveorama said:
Can't wait to see Crosby at the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver.
I think by then we will be laughing at the suggestion that Malkin is as good as Syd the Kid.
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I'm a team Canada and penguins fan, IMHO Malkin will be a better player than crosby down the road.
 
The_Eck said:
I'm a team Canada and penguins fan, IMHO Malkin will be a better player than crosby down the road.
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Anything's possible, but I find that highly unlikely.
 
btn said:
I find it hard to believe that someone who actually thinks that Crosby is the 2nd best Canadian center is accusing someone else about not thinking before they type something.

I gave you 5, how about you tell us all why Crosby is better than the Top 3 C's on Team Canada, Jason Spezza, and Marc Savard.
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Great AVATAR :yo:
 
This is a stupid comparisson.......Cheechoo is much better than Frolov, but Frolov made the Russian team, while Cheechoo did not.
 
The_Eck said:
Why?
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As good as Malkin's hockey sense is, IMO Crosby's is better.
Crosby is stronger than Malkin and is better in the corners.

When you consider acceleration, stability, lateral motion, strength on the puck, Crosby is also a better skater.

Crosby has grown up in North America playing on NHL sized rinks and is used to the style of play here here as well.

Malkin will be a great 2 way player, but he will not score at the pace Crosby does, or will.
 
wealthmanager said:
As good as Malkin's hockey sense is, IMO Crosby's is better.
Crosby is stronger than Malkin and is better in the corners.

When you consider acceleration, stability, lateral motion, strength on the puck, Crosby is also a better skater.

Crosby has grown up in North America playing on NHL sized rinks and is used to the style of play here here as well.

Malkin will be a great 2 way player, but he will not score at the pace Crosby does, or will.
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Have you watched Malkin at all in these olympics?? You clearly underrate Malkin's abilities.
 
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