Federov was insanely good. People forget he played defense in the NHL for Detroit here and there. Try putting Malkin on defense for Pittsburgh for games at a time. Honestly there isn't much of a comparison between Malkin and Federov. Malkin has always been number 2 on his team, while Federov not only was number 1 on his team, he also was one of the most dominate players in the league in his prime.
Malkin is the best Russian player ever
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Federov was insanely good. People forget he played defense in the NHL for Detroit here and there. Try putting Malkin on defense for Pittsburgh for games at a time. Honestly there isn't much of a comparison between Malkin and Federov. Malkin has always been number 2 on his team, while Federov not only was number 1 on his team, he also was one of the most dominate players in the league in his prime.
Half of Mogilny's career was in the dead puck era, which shows you know nothing about the time he played. Sorry, Malkin ranks just below Mogilny. Once Malkin's career is over, maybe he will have passed Mogilny.
Since everyone is in agreement that Malkin got robbed by not being in the top-100 players list, if Mogilny had any claim to being better (this is the first time I've ever heard this proposed), you'd expect Mogilny to be on that list.
You have no case for Mogilny being better than Malkin. Please just stop.
You have no case for Mogilny being better than Malkin. Please just stop.
I think it's you that doesn't understand the eras. Malkin has played pretty much in an era that is slightly above the dead puck era.
Molginy had the prime of career in a MUCH higher scoring era than current. Only played 2 seasons playing at a lower gpg than the last several years, 3 of them being similar to now.
I actually loved mogilny on buffalo... didn't follow him much once he went west, but I saw his best years.
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A lot of revision here. Fedorov did play defence for Detroit sometimes, but Bowman put him there as essentially a punishment when he felt that Fedorov wasn't engaging offensively. Fedorov was also not always the number one centre on Detroit, and in fact that role was shared with Yzerman in almost the exact same way as Malkin shares his with Crosby.
Fedorov is my second favourite player ever, but Malkin is going to comfortably pass him. Fedorov didn't play at his best consistently enough to keep ahead of Malkin. Fedorov always brought it in the playoffs, but Malkin is a tremendous playoff performer as well. Also, I am amazed at how frequently posters spell his name wrong, even when trying to lecture on his role.
Not like we are scoring at a higher rate then the dead puck area these days. We had a nice jump for a year or two after the lockout but we are back down to dead puck area levels since.
Ziggyjoe21
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Malkin was widely regarded as the best player on Earth numerous times in his career, especially his Conn Smythe and Art Ross years. Playing #2 to Crosby is in no way a bad thing. After all, federov played behind Yzerman.
Ziggyjoe21
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This is the same argument some people use to compare Toews to Crosby.
Fun fact, Geno lead the league in take aways on a couple of occasions.
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In terms of pure skill and talent, he might be. It's difficult to judge current players versus guys who played in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Right now, I'm hesitant to say he's better than Makarov or Federov. Time will tell.
In the meantime, I recommend reading King of Russia. It's about Dave King's experiences as the first Canadian head coach in the KHL. He talks a lot about young Malkin's development and dominance.
In the meantime, I recommend reading King of Russia. It's about Dave King's experiences as the first Canadian head coach in the KHL. He talks a lot about young Malkin's development and dominance.
TheBluePenguin
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This is what I think, I do not think Malkin or Ovi could be considered to the best Russian player YET, but depending how they both finish their careers I think both have a shot to be the best. It all depends on how they play out the end of their careers.
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Fun fact, this was said by his own coach and someone that knew him well enough to make that assessment http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/a...edorov-could-have-been-an-all-star-defenseman
Federov actually played defense, Toews has not. Infact Federov played defense quite a bit for the Ducks.
Do you realize how much talent you have to have to be able to play both positions and do well at either? No? all you have is fanboy bias, i will take Bowman's opinion instead of blind fanboys.
Seriously, Rod Serling has to be doing a monologue here somewhere. I'm in the Twilight Zone with this Toews worship.
Fedorov is a whole lot closer to Malkin then Toews to Crosby.
Fedorov is a whole lot closer to Malkin then Toews to Crosby.
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You must really hate intangibles. How can you tangibly get through a day without them??
tarheelhockey
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I can't believe I'm reading an argument that Mogilny should rank ahead of Malkin. JFC, people. Open your eyes.
Also, as outstanding as Fedorov was for a short period of time he had a disappointing career overall. Even if Malkin isn't quite as good (debatable) he is doing more with what he was given.
Signed,
The guy who spent most of yesterday explaining how good players were in the '90s
Also, as outstanding as Fedorov was for a short period of time he had a disappointing career overall. Even if Malkin isn't quite as good (debatable) he is doing more with what he was given.
Signed,
The guy who spent most of yesterday explaining how good players were in the '90s
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Well yes, Fed's peak was really high and didn't last long, but you could also make that argument for Malkin.
It's just a matter of comparing their other seasons.
tarheelhockey
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I don't think the argument sticks as well for Malkin as it does for Fedorov. Even if you only look at his career AFTER his Hart season, in the time since then he's 4th in the league in PPG. The guys ahead of him are Crosby, McDavid, Kane, and there's a massive .11 gap down to the next guy (Backstrom). Malkin is clearly part of a 4-player pack which has played at a level above the rest of the league, and this is AFTER his peak.
Injuries have held him back from playing complete seasons and competing for awards, not to mention Crosby's resurgence makes it pretty much impossible for him to get Hart recognition (the one player who's clear-cut above his level is on his team, so he can't be the MVP). But Malkin has been right there playing a half-step below Hart level for a long time now. Like almost a decade straight at this point.
Fedorov just kind of faded away after his second Cup. The contract holdouts, playing well under a PPG, no longer competing for Selkes. He was a good player but not a great one after around 1996, which really leaves him with about a 4-year window where he was the kind of player who would compare with Malkin.
edog37
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Yep, remember Mogilny, had a decent career with Buffalo, but to state Malkin is only at the Mogilny when a lot of people on here say he's better than Crosby doesn't wash...
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I cant speak on makarov or the soviet era russians (either a little kid or didnt exist) but while i do believe malkin is up there in regards to top russians the absolute dismissal of Ovi on here is hilarious. Take away the TEAM accomplishments and compare malkin and ovis stats and career.
on a side note the bure posters are laughable. Posters want to call Ovi a one dimensional player, while Bure DEFINED one dimensional. He was a 100 mphs from center into the O zone. NEVER back checked and could frequently be seen floating at center ice while his team was hemmed in the D zone.
on a side note the bure posters are laughable. Posters want to call Ovi a one dimensional player, while Bure DEFINED one dimensional. He was a 100 mphs from center into the O zone. NEVER back checked and could frequently be seen floating at center ice while his team was hemmed in the D zone.
Gotta go with my guy Cotton over here. Feds was completely on a different level. I mean Malkin is a force in his own right, but Fedorov was probably the most revered Russian in the NHL.
But that is just the NHL.
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Bufflen and Burns > Malkin
Fedorov is one of those players who gets overrated on Hockey'sFuture with the nostalgia and the defensive reputation. Malkin is a better player.
Malkin > Ovechkin as well
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