Lol Malkin doesn't bring it in the playoffs?
Career Playoffs
Malkin PPG 1.05 + Conn Smythe
Federov PPG .96
Dont let facts get in the way.
Malkin is the best Russian player ever
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Lol Malkin doesn't bring it in the playoffs?
Career Playoffs
Malkin PPG 1.05 + Conn Smythe
Federov PPG .96
Dont let facts get in the way.
edog37
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I think Valeri Kharlamov & Malkin were the best two ever. We've seen Malkin dominate in the league already, but Kharlamov was an absolute beast as well. Shame he never got a chance to play in the NHL, as he would have tore it up.
Probably worth considering that players generally start to decline once they enter their 30's.
Fedorov's playoff PPG was 1.21 at Malkin's current age, for what it's worth. Different era, etc. But he was a monster in the postseason, and went through some serious wars out west against Dallas and Colorado.
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Stats
Ovechkin 921GP // 558G // 477A // 1035P // 1.123PPG // 2122 Hits
1 Calder // 1 Art Ross // 3 Hart // 6 Rocket Richard // 2 Ted Lindsay // 1 Lester
90 points in 97 playoff games for a .93ppg
14 Personal Trophies
Malkin 706GP // 328G // 504A // 832P // 1.178PPG // 378 Hits
1 Calder // 2 Art Ross // 1 Hart // 1 Conn Smythe // 1 Ted Lindsay
157 points in 149 playoff games for a 1.05ppg
6 Personal Trophies
2 Different Games played by 2 different players...Ovechkin takes it fairly easily IMO...The PPG different is moot as if Malkin had played the extra 200 games Ovechkin has played would he maintain the same pace? The Trophies speak for themselves... But the hits speak volumes of the type of game each player brings.
Ovechkin 921GP // 558G // 477A // 1035P // 1.123PPG // 2122 Hits
1 Calder // 1 Art Ross // 3 Hart // 6 Rocket Richard // 2 Ted Lindsay // 1 Lester
90 points in 97 playoff games for a .93ppg
14 Personal Trophies
Malkin 706GP // 328G // 504A // 832P // 1.178PPG // 378 Hits
1 Calder // 2 Art Ross // 1 Hart // 1 Conn Smythe // 1 Ted Lindsay
157 points in 149 playoff games for a 1.05ppg
6 Personal Trophies
2 Different Games played by 2 different players...Ovechkin takes it fairly easily IMO...The PPG different is moot as if Malkin had played the extra 200 games Ovechkin has played would he maintain the same pace? The Trophies speak for themselves... But the hits speak volumes of the type of game each player brings.
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I can't ****ing believe people think Bure is in this conversation..
6/12 seasons he was below PPG. No major awards. And yes, I remember how fast he was. He was like the roadrunner. He was Usain Bolt on skates!
6/12 seasons he was below PPG. No major awards. And yes, I remember how fast he was. He was like the roadrunner. He was Usain Bolt on skates!
KareemTrustfund
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I think its safe to assume he would. It's unfortunate he missed the time, as he would be clear cut in head of OV.
OV beats Malkin in the individual trophy dept. but I think when you truly look at how each player performs during the entirety of their career, its Malkin. Some you hate the PPG argument, but dammit, its the the most telling stat, more so than the awards in my opinion. Ovechkin is a hell of a goal scorer, but that's it.
Could somebody tell me what Malkin vs Oveckins total ES points over their careers are? I suspect Malkin would have the edge.
I can't ****ing believe people think Bure is in this conversation..
6/12 seasons he was below PPG. No major awards. And yes, I remember how fast he was. He was like the roadrunner. He was Usain Bolt on skates!
2 Rocket. 3 if they had that trophy in 1994
Calder
So 3 major awards.
Bure is top 5 no question but he is not better than Ovechkin and Malkin.
So 3
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If you are going to show hits, why not show takeaways, blocks, etc. I mean I'd say those stats have far more impact on the game than hits.. I mean we've all seen games where the home team hit stats guy inflates his teams hits... its kind of a joke stat,
Hits add to the visual impressiveness of a player, but what does it matter if the other one is better defensively? Ovechkin was at most a hair better than Malkin at each of their peaks, but Malkin has been better outside of Ovechkin's first 4 seasons for the most part, the only reason it's an argument really is because Ovechkin has managed to stay a lot healthier.
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If PPG is the most telling stat why haven't you responded to my comment.. Why did OV lead the NHL in PPG 3x and Malkin only 1x? It's easy to make your PPG look good when you play 50 games a season.
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An offensive Ws job is to put up pts. It's easy to play a 200 ft game when you're on a team stacked full of HOFers and have no other responsibilities. And you have no way to prove that Fedorov's 2 way game makes up for the grand canyon sized gap in their offense.
Right, OV didn't deserve all of his harts. If anything he got robbed in 2010 so he should have 4, but ok I'll bite.
08: NHL leader in goals, pts, GPG, PPG. Most dominant offensive season since Lemieux. Easy win.
09: NHL leader in goals, GPG, PPG. He also didn't have a team mate score 100+pts like Malkin did with Crosby. Easy win.
13: NHL leader in goals, GPG. Scored 20+ goals in the last ~20 games to drag the caps to the playoffs. I'll admit Crosby was better, but the pens were still 1st with him injured. OV was more valuable which is what the Hart is for.
Beukeboom Fan
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Honest question - how much did you watch of Fedorov in his prime? Because he was absolutely shyte-fire ridiculous.
Sure, absolutely, but his true prime only lasted 2 years.
I would take Fed's peak over any Russian player, it might be top 5 peak ever. But again, it's very brief.
You have to take the entire career into consideration. Both Malkin and OV blow Fed away as far as offense career wise. They both have better numbers despite playing in lower scoring era.
If you watch the progression of an 82 game regular season, you will see most players slowing down after the 55-60 games played mark, fatigue / slowing down for the play off run ahead.. like Kooz said, its easy to pad your ppg with 50 games a season under your belt..
Ovechkin has 625 even strength points in 921 games // .68 even strength PPG
Malkin has 506 even strength points in 706 games // .72 even strength PPG
And to make you happy
Ovechkin has 296 Career blocked shots, 436 takeaways and 2122 hits
Malkin has 247 Career blocked shots, 511 takeaways and 378 hits
So is Malkin really that more impressive defensively?? Not really.
Again both players are in a dead heat.... Malkin plays on a stacked penguins club that has won it all...Ovechkin plays on a stacked capitals club that cant get past the second round.. Ovechkin had the better peak...has more personal hardware...the whole PPG arguement is almost a non argument as its such a dead heat even with ovechkin playing an additional 200 games.
Im a huge fan of both...but this has Ovechkin written all over it if they both retire today.
Ovechkin has 625 even strength points in 921 games // .68 even strength PPG
Malkin has 506 even strength points in 706 games // .72 even strength PPG
And to make you happy
Ovechkin has 296 Career blocked shots, 436 takeaways and 2122 hits
Malkin has 247 Career blocked shots, 511 takeaways and 378 hits
So is Malkin really that more impressive defensively?? Not really.
Again both players are in a dead heat.... Malkin plays on a stacked penguins club that has won it all...Ovechkin plays on a stacked capitals club that cant get past the second round.. Ovechkin had the better peak...has more personal hardware...the whole PPG arguement is almost a non argument as its such a dead heat even with ovechkin playing an additional 200 games.
Im a huge fan of both...but this has Ovechkin written all over it if they both retire today.
KareemTrustfund
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What seasons were those? That's a good point you make, but I feel like his drop off in ppg after those really good seasons is more telling than the 2x he lead it over Malkin. I mean if he did have three he lead in ppg, he took quite a dive in the others. I'm sure Malkin wasn't far off in those seasons.
Look, I like OV. I think he's the second best russian. But I'm a grand scheme of things kinda guy. When I take everything into account (individual hardware, team accomplishments and how they perform when they play), I pick Malkin.
Really, it boils down to career PPG to me, and what Malkin does far and away blows Ovechkin out of the water, Rocket Richard trophies and all. But that's my opinion, I can see why people pick Ovechkin. But I cannot see why people pick Bure.
I would say 3 years, 1994-1996, much like Ovechkin, except Ovechkin was better in a lot of the regular seasons outside of his 3 year peak than Fedorov was. Fedorov's prime in the playoffs was basically his entire career in Detroit though.
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You ignore linemates and the fact that playing less games hurts Malkin's ppg because he's played so many games with nagging injuries. Unless playing 50 games injured is better than playing 82 healthy???
Your defensive numbers mean nothing. Malkin is better defensively just by the fact that he's a center. Ovechkin is constantly floating while Backstrom rushes back to play D or fight in a board battle like Malkin does for his wingers
That's not really true though, a lot of players heat up in the second half or last 20 games.
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Has he though? I seem to recall that he misses a few games here and there during the course of a season because of minor injuries. When he has a 60 game season, he usually doesn't miss 20 or 25 straight games. It's always 2 games here, 4 games there...
Don't compare Malkin and Backstrom on defense. Geno doesn't hustle back on defense as much as Backstrom.
The C>W argument is very convenient here. They both do their jobs in their respective positions, and each team needs 8 wingers anyway. If you want to compare the positions, you should also mention how centers usually rack up more assists than wingers because they start the play. 2 assists are awarded for each goal, it's easier to have a higher PPG as a playmaker than a goalscorer. 50 assists is nothing incredible but 50 goals is.
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What seasons were those? That's a good point you make, but I feel like his drop off in ppg after those really good seasons is more telling than the 2x he lead it over Malkin. I mean if he did have three he lead in ppg, he took quite a dive in the others. I'm sure Malkin wasn't far off in those seasons.
Look, I like OV. I think he's the second best russian. But I'm a grand scheme of things kinda guy. When I take everything into account (individual hardware, team accomplishments and how they perform when they play), I pick Malkin.
Really, it boils down to career PPG to me, and what Malkin does far and away blows Ovechkin out of the water, Rocket Richard trophies and all. But that's my opinion, I can see why people pick Ovechkin. But I cannot see why people pick Bure.
Ovechkin led the NHL in PPG in 3 consecutive seasons (07/08-09/10). They both have 8x top 10 PPG seasons, the difference is that all of Ovechkin's are done over a full season while Malkin only has 3/8 over 70 games. Add in OV's 3-1 NHL PPG lead and I don't see how the PPG argument works in Malkin's favour.
I posted earlier that Ovechkin is the best player. Compare him individually to Malkin. 14-6 awards. 14-6! 10-3 AST. I'm sorry but no amount of cups make up for that. Malkin has literally 3 seasons that can be compared to OV and in 2 of those OV ran away with the Hart and beat him in PPG too. After those 3 seasons it's all OV. Malkin I can buy has had the best career all things considered because of his mix of awards and cups. But quite frankly it's only serious OV hate that anyone can turn a blind eye to a 14-6 gap.
I agree that Bure belongs nowhere near this conversation (neither does Fedorov or anyone else).
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Alright, I'll bite.
Bure played on a lot of garbage teams as well as into the dead puck era. Doesn't help that his knees blew out early. You'll probably raise the injury prone is no excuse argument, which is funny in a Malkin thread.
His regular season career was >1.1 points per game, 1.09 in the playoffs. Was huge in the 1994 playoff run. If you watched him play, you'd recall that he was an exciting player that always caused breakaways due to his crazy speed.
It's pretty easy to understand why him and Fedorov (and even Datsyuk) are in the discussion, if you view defensive play more. They were both very versatile, skilled, and had plenty of hardware.
To have any nhl awards and ast. Most cases you need to be healthy and play at least almost the full season
Malkin has only 3 healthy season not counting his rookie season. 2008 2009 2012. Each season he got an nhl award or an ast
In those 3 seasons 5 nhl awards and 3 first team ast. All 3 of the season 100 plus points.
You are right cup don't make the argument but you are ignoring his performance in those playoffs. It's not debatable that Malkin better playoff performer than Ovechkin. Also Malkin plays center. More competition for the ast.
You are right about ppg it shouldn't me Malkin favor but playoff ppg in a lot higher than Ovechkin. We can use that. For me Malkin is better but its really close.
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