Malgin Vs Engvall - Who Would You Keep?

[cyris]

LTIR of Tavares/Liljegren just might get it done. 20 man roster anyway.

Can’t LTIR Tavares unless he is going to miss 10 games and 24 days.

Liljegren isn’t enough cap relief.

 

[The Iceman]

Malgin is the power forward needed for the playoffs

Malgin might be able to chip in a playoff goal where the Engvall/Mikeyev's have failed in the past. He did lead the World Championships in points (12 points in 8 games) and was electric in the WJCs.

Seems like a big game player.

 

[cyris]

Perhaps not. ZAR at $850k, and Liljegren on LTIR gives us room to dress Robertson or Malgin, Engvall and the rest of the expected team.

Liljegren to LTIR only saves 650K after his replacement is factored in.
Even at 750K for ZAR we don’t have enough space for a 21 man roster which we need if Tavares cant go opening night

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I’d move Engvall if we can get a 3rd or higher.

He’s probably better than Malgin right now, but the cap space is crucial. They are pretty much the same age, Malgin slightly younger

 

[Nylander88]

Engvall for me, hands down. Defensively responsible, PK specialist, can play C decently in a pinch, can get you around 15 goals a year, and a huge frame. Has shown he can be a pain in the rear when he has those random games. Hoping for more consistent play this year in that regard

 

[Fogelhund]

Liljegren to LTIR only saves 650K after his replacement is factored in.
Even at 750K for ZAR we don’t have enough space for a 21 man roster which we need if Tavares cant go opening night

And if Tavares can go, we are fine. You do understand that we have the people who wrote the Cap rules in our org right? There really isn’t a reason to worry about cap. One way or another, it will get sorted.

 

[cyris]

And if Tavares can go, we are fine.

Sure…..
But if he can’t shouldn’t we have a plan?
And it also shows the danger of running that close to the cap with a minimum roster.
At multiple points this year we will have guys who aren’t out long term but won’t be able to play for a game or 2. And unless we play a man short for a game we won’t be able to call anyone up to replace them.

In addition to the fact that unless someone else goes on LTIR we won’t have space to take Liljegren off once he is healthy.

 

[francis246]

Obviously Engvall, but these two are not even comparable salary wise and it’s not going to come down to keeping Malgin or Engvall.

I think Engvall is as good as traded, he makes 2 million, we played all pre season without him and looked great. So he’s going to be traded

 

[DarkKnight]

Early preseason games at that.

 

[cyris]

Obviously Engvall, but these two are not even comparable salary wise and it’s not going to come down to keeping Malgin or Engvall.

I think Engvall is as good as traded, he makes 2 million, we played all pre season without him and looked great. So he’s going to be traded

This is what I think everyone is missing. It’s not Engval vs Malgin.
Obviously Engval is better in that comparison.

But someone has to go at some point. Engval, Kerfoot, and Holl are the guys that fit the salary range needed to clear up our cap issues. So really it’s those 3 vs each other.

 

[zeke]

Liljegren to LTIR only saves 650K after his replacement is factored in.
Even at 750K for ZAR we don’t have enough space for a 21 man roster which we need if Tavares cant go opening night

They'll use an emergency recall for the first few games until Tavares us back.

They'll probably technically send down Robertson so they don't have to waive Malgin and then bring Robbie back up with an emergency recall.

 

[cyris]

They'll use an emergency recall for the first few games until Tavares us back.

They'll probably technically send down Robertson so they don't have to waive Malgin and then bring Robbie back up with an emergency recall.

The have to play a man short before they can use emergency recall.
Not a prospect I like the first game of the season and on the front half of a back to back.
Over playing guys who haven’t played competitive hockey in 4 months seems like a good way to have someone get hurt. Kinda pointless if we are going to have to make a trade in a month to get Liljegren back anyway.

 

[Morbo]

Malgin has never shown he's NHL calibre. Engvall has, albeit at long last.

don't be fooled by preseason mirages.

 

[tmlms13]

Gino Malgin

 

[kb]

Malgin has never shown he's NHL calibre. Engvall has, albeit at long last.

don't be fooled by preseason mirages.

192 games on non-NHL caliber play.

Engvall has 168 and is older. Don't be fooled by mirages.

 

[Morbo]

192 games on non-NHL caliber play.

Engvall has 168 and is older. Don't be fooled by mirages.

Engvall did more and at a significantly higher level last season than Malgin has even come close to in his 192 games though.

could it be a mirage? I guess.

but there's less chance of that than a midget fringe 4th liner like Malgin having a good preeason against lesser opposition being a mirage. Much less.

 

[Fogelhund]

Sure…..
But if he can’t shouldn’t we have a plan?
And it also shows the danger of running that close to the cap with a minimum roster.
At multiple points this year we will have guys who aren’t out long term but won’t be able to play for a game or 2. And unless we play a man short for a game we won’t be able to call anyone up to replace them.

In addition to the fact that unless someone else goes on LTIR we won’t have space to take Liljegren off once he is healthy.

You think we, the fans on hfBoards, need to come up with a plan?

The Leafs already have a plan, for every scenario that might happen. Like I said, we employee Pridham, who wrote the cap. It’s a nothing burger.

We the fans don’t need to do anything, it will work itself out.

 

[cyris]

You think we, the fans on hfBoards, need to come up with a plan?

The Leafs already have a plan, for every scenario that might happen. Like I said, we employee Pridham, who wrote the cap. It’s a nothing burger.

We the fans don’t need to do anything, it will work itself out.

Why even post on a message board then?
If speculation about what the team will do is pointless why are you even here?

 

[Stephen]

Both. They don't do the same thing and Malgin makes league minimum.

 

[nuck]

Should not even be a discussion. Having a huge year in a sub AHL league at 24 is not a real credential so we are really judging his value based on training camp versus a proven NHL player which is a sketchy way to evaluate. I doubt KD and friends are stewing over this big decision.

However I do like Malgin more than before. He kind of looks like an NHLer (albeit against soft competition) which he didn't seem to be in 19-20. The player he was looking like at 20 in Florida may still be there somewhere. 11g in 51 games is not nothing. It would kind of suck for him to get a chance ahead of Robertson but he doesn't have a lot of chances left where Nick does.

If he got a good chunk of games to start the season I wouldn't be too disappointed. Whether he is "a playoff type guy" isn't a big deal until the playoffs get close. Maybe he will be good enough to trade for a playoff type guy,.

 

[aingefan]

It’s a contract year for Pierre.
I wonder how much that will motivate him.

 

[supermann_98]

Engvall he's a proven nhl player while malgin is trying to reestablish himself

Engvall also offers more defensively and on the PM

This ... Engvall is a very valuable PKer, especially now with Mikheyev gone. Add to that he's got a rocket of a wrister when he's able to get it off and is the fastest skater on our team.

Saying that if a team like say, Philly or Chicago came knocking with a spare 1st round pick I'd personally drop Engvall off at the airport

 

[DarkKnight]

192 games on non-NHL caliber play.

Engvall has 168 and is older. Don't be fooled by mirages.

And he has more points than Malgin, so what does that prove, Engvall is better I guess? Then look at the defensive side, Engvall edge there for sure. And I’m not even a huge Engvall guy necessarily, he’s too invisible at times and lacks a higher gear it seems.

Malgin is fine for depth, but he also got exactly zero points the last time he played for us and was suspect in our end. I just don’t understand this idea that he’s some hot commodity we need to have. Seems more like another body than anything. Every year we over analyze camp, I’m in wait and see if a Malgin really has more to offer than past iterations.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Malgin has never shown he's NHL calibre. Engvall has, albeit at long last.

don't be fooled by preseason mirages.

And yet Malgin has played more NHL games than Engvall, yes, with a slightly lower points per game. Malgin .31ppg Evgvall .39ppg

Engvall did more and at a significantly higher level last season than Malgin has even come close to in his 192 games though.

could it be a mirage? I guess.

but there's less chance of that than a midget fringe 4th liner like Malgin having a good preeason against lesser opposition being a mirage. Much less.

Robertson has 1 more point than Malgin and is the same size. That entire post can be said about Robertson

 

[Menzinger]

Engvall has the edge until proven otherwise

That said it's hardly out of the question that Malgin does just that if given the chance