Malgin Vs Engvall - Who Would You Keep?

[Havoc]

I was waiting for this one.

Havoc is to Engvall what Zeke is to Boosh.

At least these two core 4 homers will actually come back with someone good if you let them have their way.

If covid never happened I wouldn't care, Engvall can hold down the fourth line for 2.25 mil or be the sidekick of a good 3C currently not owned on the 3rd line with Kampf at 4C.

But since we are still affected by the flat cap, and the depth has failed time and time again to properly insulate the core which significantly contributes to playoff woes since these series become a coin flip at the end, 2.25 mil towards Engvall for the 22/23 season was a horrible decision. Grade of F.

This team is being held back from it's potential within current conditions having 4 mil in Holl and Engvall.

 

[ACC1224]

My biggest issue is that he doesn't score 50 in 50, but what he does bring to the table is fine.

Your expectations aren't reasonable and it's perfectly fine if you like his game as it is, many don't.

 

[francis246]

Really not sure why people are already getting rid of Engvall

Dude is very good value and a player for his role. He's very versatile, good size and speed
He scored 15 goals last year. He was one of the reason why Mikaheyev scored 20+ goals. I remember few goals he literally did all the work for Mikaheyev go to on a breakway

So we are comparing a guy who's 6'5, proven that he can play in NHL and score you some goals over a new shinny toy ?

People are getting rid of Engvall because he’s the most expendable. Where do people think cap space is going to magically appear? We are over the cap, the leafs have 4 options, 1. go with 19 skaters and play short handed, 2. waive one of Kerfoot, Hall or Engvall and hope they either clear or get claimed (lose them for free but clear cap space) 3. Trade one of Kerfoot, Holl or Engvall which would make us cap compliant and 4. Place JT on LTIR and we lose him for 10 games.

I think the most likely scenario is 1 or 3. Someone has to be traded for us to be cap compliant, there’s no other way about it, except to make a move.

Most people would love to keep Engvall, but he is the obvious choice to be moved. Losing Engvall doesn’t really hurt our roster, plus he is a UFA at the end of this season. It’s the easiest solution, plus he carries a cap hit of 2+ million.

 

[Havoc]

I was trolling with my Gabriel comment earlier, I would genuinely free up Engvalls cap and give Malgin a roster spot.

People are going to throw Engvalls xGF in my face.

Well, high xGF is Malgin's potential greatest gift to this team, and the difference is he has the skill to maintain it if needed to play in the top 6 in contrast to Engvalls skill maxing out as a 3rd liner. He also has a offensive ceiling worth exploring further and he's cheaper. He also let's you drop Kerfoot down into the bottom 6 if he figures it out, who is superior to Engvall.

If malgin fizzles out like jimmy vesey, then just start tinkering again. The team doesn't run through the depth in the regular season we have up until the deadline to create the final version of the bottom 6.

 

[francis246]

At the end of the day this thread should really be Engvall or Kerfoot. (Leafs have to decide between those two)

Malgin has no effect on whether or not Engvall is apart of this roster.

 

[fahad203]

People are getting rid of Engvall because he’s the most expendable. Where do people think cap space is going to magically appear? We are over the cap, the leafs have 4 options, 1. go with 19 skaters and play short handed, 2. waive one of Kerfoot, Hall or Engvall and hope they either clear or get claimed (lose them for free but clear cap space) 3. Trade one of Kerfoot, Holl or Engvall which would make us cap compliant and 4. Place JT on LTIR and we lose him for 10 games.

I think the most likely scenario is 1 or 3. Someone has to be traded for us to be cap compliant, there’s no other way about it, except to make a move.

Most people would love to keep Engvall, but he is the obvious choice to be moved. Losing Engvall doesn’t really hurt our roster, plus he is a UFA at the end of this season. It’s the easiest solution, plus he carries a cap hit of 2+ million.

Again, why is he the expandable one around here? If anyone is expandable is Holl

Engvall is a valued asset to this team. that is not someone who's expandable.
Go around the league and find players that are 6'5, can skate, kill penalties and get you 15 goals a season

Engvall really shouldn't even be in this discussion

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Big picture outlook of this poll question:

The choices are not great.

 

[Srsly]

Honestly, Malgin has earned a look from us or someone else. Then again, I also don't think Malgin being signed to a two way league minimum contact or whatever has an impact on whether we keep Engvall. They both have totally different roles in my eyes. Ones a depth scorer/extra forward with some flashes of skill that can even play up the lineup while the other is a 6'5 third/fourth liner that reliably kills penalties and chips in from time to time.

 

[francis246]

Again, why is he the expandable one around here? If anyone is expandable is Holl

Engvall is a valued asset to this team. that is not someone who's expandable.
Go around the league and find players that are 6'5, can skate, kill penalties and get you 15 goals a season

Engvall really shouldn't even be in this discussion

I'm sorry how many NHL Calibre* RHD do the leafs have who are healthy? One, his name is Justin Holl, so no Holl is not expendable.

Engvall is a great skater and has size, but he is as soft as butter. Doesn't use his frame to hit or play physical. Not to mention, if he's already making over 2 million right now, as a UFA at the end of the year he will command somewhere near 3 million or more. For what he brings, there are hundreds of guys in UFA who can replace him year after year. We signed Bunting for $950k and he gave us more goals than Engvall.

He is easily the most replaceable out of Holl, Kerfoot and him... Again not saying I want him gone. But this team is not going to be any worse by losing Engvall, also we need to be cap compliant.

 

[LeafGrief]

Your expectations aren't reasonable and it's perfectly fine if you like his game as it is, many don't.

The point is that it's not productive to dislike his game for what it could be, rather than to judge it based on what it is. You indicated that your biggest problem with him is that he doesn't use his size properly, and while that's absolutely true, the frustration of what could be isn't really a fair assessment of the player. If he's a kitten in the corners, then he's a kitten in the corners, that he's 6'5 doesn't actually make the issue for the team worse.

I think he delivers pretty good results as a third liner. I care far more about that than trying to tweak the games of the depth players. What Marner eats for breakfast is more important than most of our players, so if Engvall is putting points on the board and playing well defensively, I don't care that he's soft. If he wasn't soft, he'd have a higher cap hit and we couldn't afford him. Depth players are about making do, rather than laying blame IMO.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

My thoughts are:


Engval is the player who most often leaves me wanting more. I torture myself with dreams of Engval finally activating beast mode and showing physical dominance. This is a contract year for him, so it's difficult to not be curious as to how he comes out of the gates this season.

I'd rather see Robertson further develop in the AHL.

I would love to see Malgin play the first 10 games of real hockey before deciding his future.

Is Kerfoot at $3.5 million a larger waste of cap space than Engval at $2.25 million? Who would fetch more return in a trade?

 

[rocketman588]

Obviously Engvall, but these two are not even comparable salary wise and it’s not going to come down to keeping Malgin or Engvall.

I think Engvall is as good as traded, he makes 2 million, we played all pre season without him and looked great. So he’s going to be traded

Gonna be difficult to get great value for him but maybe we can see how we look without him to start the year then off load if needed

 

[jaric1862]

I don’t see it as Engval vs Malgin.
It’s Engval vs. Kerfoot or Holl. And out of those 3 Engval is the easiest to replace internally.

Absolutely not. When everyone is healthy Holl is the 7th Defenceman.

 

[Funk21]

I don’t see it as Engval vs Malgin.
It’s Engval vs. Kerfoot or Holl. And out of those 3 Engval is the easiest to replace internally.

Really ? 6”5, adding some scoring while providing and good defensive bottom 6. Would I like him to develop a bit more of a mean streak but he has gotten better every year. Can play wing and C. Don’t see a lot of that within the organization. Personally I would considering lock him and Kampf up long term if you can get them for a decent AAV.

 

[cyris]

Absolutely not. When everyone is healthy Holl is the 7th Defenceman.

I agree about Holl being the #7. But we have one of the oldest top 4 D cores in the league and Muzzin has a chronic back issue.
I expect our #7 D to see regular playing time this season.

And the drop off from Holl to Mete or Benn is bigger to me than the drop off from Engvall to the multiple options we have for 13th forward. I also think there is a high chance that whoever takes Engvall’s place if he is traded eventually loses their job to Knies unless they really surprise with their play.

 

[rocketman588]

My thoughts are:


Engval is the player who most often leaves me wanting more. I torture myself with dreams of Engval finally activating beast mode and showing physical dominance. This is a contract year for him, so it's difficult to not be curious as to how he comes out of the gates this season.

I'd rather see Robertson further develop in the AHL.

I would love to see Malgin play the first 10 games of real hockey before deciding his future.

Is Kerfoot at $3.5 million a larger waste of cap space than Engval at $2.25 million? Who would fetch more return in a trade? L

Kerfoot is going to get you more in a trade I assume. I think he's a bit more valuable especially because he can also play C

 

[cyris]

Really ? 6”5, adding some scoring while providing and good defensive bottom 6. Would I like him to develop a bit more of a mean streak but he has gotten better every year. Can play wing and C. Don’t see a lot of that within the organization. Personally I would considering lock him and Kampf up long term if you can get them for a decent AAV.

Yeah I think Engvall is a good player. But someone has to go.
And I value the defensive depth Holl brings and Kerfoot’s ability to play top 6 centre above a bottom 6 winger

 

[cyris]

Kerfoot is going to get you more in a trade I assume. I think he's a bit more valuable especially because he can also play C

Kerfoot is definitely more versatile and if there is a team out there that really wants to bring in a centre and has cap space he would get a better return.
But his cap hit would make him harder to find a trading partner for with the number of teams that are having cap issues right now.
Kerfoot also has a partial NTC which would also make it harder to find a trade partner

 

[rocketman588]

Kerfoot is definitely more versatile and if there is a team out there that really wants to bring in a centre and has cap space he would get a better return.
But his cap hit would make him harder to find a trading partner for with the number of teams that are having cap issues right now.
Kerfoot also has a partial NTC which would also make it harder to find a trade partner

True his cap hit isn't that terrible but yeah all those do play into it

 

[banks]

I've never cared too much for Engvall, and actually do like Malgin. But being objective, Engvall brings more to the table.

 

[swissdude]

I hope you keep Engvall. Malgin would be an asset to our (according to some leafs fans sub ahl league) and he would have the opportunity to play more than one round of playoffs

 

[DarkKnight]

Really not sure why people are already getting rid of Engvall

Dude is very good value and a player for his role. He's very versatile, good size and speed
He scored 15 goals last year. He was one of the reason why Mikaheyev scored 20+ goals. I remember few goals he literally did all the work for Mikaheyev go to on a breakway

So we are comparing a guy who's 6'5, proven that he can play in NHL and score you some goals over a new shinny toy ?

A shiny “new toy” that already played for us and put up zero points in 8 games. Shiny old toy?

 

[francis246]

Gonna be difficult to get great value for him but maybe we can see how we look without him to start the year then off load if needed

We can’t do that? The rules don’t allow, cap compliance is due on Monday for all teams. The Leafs have to make a decision basically this weekend.

 

[rocketman588]

We can’t do that? The rules don’t allow, cap compliance is due on Monday for all teams. The Leafs have to make a decision basically this weekend.

Interesting

We'll see how it plays out. Honestly kinda excited to see how they make it work lol

 

[francis246]

Interesting

We'll see how it plays out. Honestly kinda excited to see how they make it work lol

I think they are going to opt for emergency call up and paper transactions until Tavares is back and then try and trade Engvall or Kerfoot.