MacKinnon has 150 points in his last 82 games

[TheStatican]

Here is the issue / strawman / whatever

You really ought to educate yourself on the meaning of the term because you clearly don't understand it.

Is Argument B a Strawman​

And lastly, as a statistician...

The name has more to do with the fact that I use objective analysis with actual data, rather than solely relying on subjective views like you do.

I mean what are the odds I believe something that all the other 8.2 billion humans on earth disagree with? You could have used probabilistic thinking like me to avoid wasting time in chatGPT with your strawman dunk.

Wow... I didn’t think this required clarification, but here it is: Naturally, people who don’t follow baseball are highly unlikely to have an opinion on the topic. Only those who follow the sport and understand its history can form an informed perspective. Among those with this understanding, no one would suggest that Aaron Judge's and Shohei Ohtani's seasons are somehow less historically significant simply because they occurred in the same year. Their dominance has been substantiated by their performances relative to the field, not to each other.

Those are not the same achievements, regardless of how much you want to deny that they are.

Maybe reread what I actually wrote. Never once did I say that Kucherov and MacKinnon's '24 were the same or equal to McDavid's in '23, nor did I say that MacKinnon surpassing 153 would automatically make his season superior. McDavid's '23 is ahead of their '24 seasons, but this is substantiated by data derived from more meaningful metrics such as making adjustments for scoring levels or his separation from the field e.g., the top 10, 20, and 50 players. Things that are less subject individual circumstances that can affect the performance of one or two select peers on a year to year basis.

McDavid's superiority is not like Gretzky's, where year in and year out he was so dominant that no one was even in the same stratosphere. In contrast, we can clearly see that other players have challenged McDavid’s standing as the games best player within individual seasons and are even capable of surpassing him, albeit just barely. So far McDavid's absolute peak has indeed been slightly superior to absolute peak of his nearest peers, but it'll be interesting to see if that remains the case by seasons end.

 

[nammerus]

Kinda weak that the Avs have been able to advance past the 2nd round once with the best C & D combo in the league

That’s what happens when you have one of the worst GM’a in the league helming the ship.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

That’s what happens when you have one of the worst GM’a in the league helming the ship.

CMac should do better. However, Sakic was in charge of some stacked Avs teams. Management were just way too cautious in their approach especially at the deadline.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Best in the world. 16 points...

 

[yeaher]

Kinda weak that the Avs have been able to advance past the 2nd round once with the best C & D combo in the league

They will win cup again this year

 

[RoyIsALegend]

They will win cup again this year

Not with any of the goaltenders currently in the organization.

 

[yeaher]

Not with any of the goaltenders currently in the organization.

And we've never traded for a top level one of those

 

[RoyIsALegend]

And we've never traded for a top level one of those

Not under this Sakic led regime, no.

Regardless, I’m stating the obvious. The team won’t win a championship with this goaltending. This isn’t the 2022 team that could carry an average or below average goaltender to a Cup.

 

[Coffey]

Best in the world. 16 points...

What does Quinn Hughes have to do with this thread?

 

[Jixer19]

Small sample size I know with only 17 games so far this year, but he is a man on a mission so far, least some help is coming (Really interested on how this Nuke situation will play out)

 

[crowfish]

Wow... I didn’t think this required clarification, but here it is: Naturally, people who don’t follow baseball are highly unlikely to have an opinion on the topic. Only those who follow the sport and understand its history can form an informed perspective. Among those with this understanding, no one would suggest that Aaron Judge's and Shohei Ohtani's seasons are somehow less historically significant simply because they occurred in the same year. Their dominance has been substantiated by their performances relative to the field, not to each other.

That sure is a lot of words over me pointing out that McDavid dominated the league in 2022, and therefore MacKinnon getting 154 is not automatically the best season of the era (as the original poster I replied to implied it would mean). So I don't really care if you believe that or not, this whole debate started when you replied to me replying to someone who implied that.

And you did not need to clarify the 1 in 8.2 billion remark, I was trolling you with that final remark. Your making a literal clarification is way funnier than the response I expected. You got so outraged and claimed my argument was so dumb that literally, no one would agree with it. Which of course means it was more likely you did not understand what I actually believed rather than me believing something "nobody else would agree with", that was the premise of my joke/troll.

 

[Video Nasty]

Best in the world. 16 points...

Tonight, the best in the world is likely to score his 1000th career point in just 659 games, and is still two months shy of his 28th birthday.

He’ll be the fourth quickest ever in terms of both age and games played, in an environment that is still 23% lower during his ten seasons compared to Gretzky, Lemieux, Bossy, and Yzerman’s sixteen seasons from 1977-1978 through 1992-1993, between which they all began their careers and got to 1000 points.

With seven points in his past two games, it’s probably time to buckle up for another blistering run like last season when he had 112 points in 56 games—2.00 PPG—while battling a nagging upper body injury all season long—and disintegrated a 20 point deficit in just 28 days to reach 125 points first. That’s the kind of player you’re so quick to toss to the curb—I somehow doubt you were this cavalier when it came to Crosby.

To put it in perspective, if McDavid is truly healthy and repeats that level of play for the rest of the season—not unreasonable because it came while injured and he already has a 153 point season in the books—and MacKinnon plays all the games at a 145 point pace the rest of the way, McDavid would still end up winning the Art Ross.

Firmly feel the detractors are in for a rude awakening. McDavid isn’t done collecting 150 point seasons, Art Rosses, and I think he even has a 160+ point campaign in him left to show.

 

[nightonthesun]

Gosh, I can’t imagine a world in which McDavid scores a lot of points in bunches over a long stretch of games. When has that ever happened?

I can’t tell if I’m more amazed at the inane “lol mcdavid” posts or the other crowd’s race to shoot them down in laborious fashion.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

They will win cup again this year

Something drastic has to happen with goaltending for that to be a possibility

 

[authentic]

You really ought to educate yourself on the meaning of the term because you clearly don't understand it.

Is Argument B a Strawman​

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The name has more to do with the fact that I use objective analysis with actual data, rather than solely relying on subjective views like you do.


Wow... I didn’t think this required clarification, but here it is: Naturally, people who don’t follow baseball are highly unlikely to have an opinion on the topic. Only those who follow the sport and understand its history can form an informed perspective. Among those with this understanding, no one would suggest that Aaron Judge's and Shohei Ohtani's seasons are somehow less historically significant simply because they occurred in the same year. Their dominance has been substantiated by their performances relative to the field, not to each other.


Maybe reread what I actually wrote. Never once did I say that Kucherov and MacKinnon's '24 were the same or equal to McDavid's in '23, nor did I say that MacKinnon surpassing 153 would automatically make his season superior. McDavid's '23 is ahead of their '24 seasons, but this is substantiated by data derived from more meaningful metrics such as making adjustments for scoring levels or his separation from the field e.g., the top 10, 20, and 50 players. Things that are less subject individual circumstances that can affect the performance of one or two select peers on a year to year basis.

McDavid's superiority is not like Gretzky's, where year in and year out he was so dominant that no one was even in the same stratosphere. In contrast, we can clearly see that other players have challenged McDavid’s standing as the games best player within individual seasons and are even capable of surpassing him, albeit just barely. So far McDavid's absolute peak has indeed been slightly superior to absolute peak of his nearest peers, but it'll be interesting to see if that remains the case by seasons end.

I so badly want to see a 2 PPG season from MacKinnon, or just topping 153 of course. I think he has it in him in a full season where everything goes right.